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Politics at local level is most vicious and violent. Forget getting 22000 honest men, this party less election most surely will backfire. Unless of course every person suddenly has a change of heart due to "honest" top leadership.

Not to mention paucity of funds. Even 10 million per village council means 220 billion PKR per year.
 
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Solution to a structure with local governance leading to socioeconomic uplift is simple but one that our politicians would protest and prevent at any cost.

Its time to carve punjab into 2 or better 3 provinces (punjab, south punjab, bahawalpur) , sindh into 2 or 3 provinces (south sind, north sindh and thar) and balochistan in 2 provinces (balochistan and makran).
Its gonna be tough initially but going forward from education to laq and order, from electricity to water resources and from taxation to accountability. .. All will become easier with such a move.
 
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Politics at local level is most vicious and violent. Forget getting 22000 honest men, this party less election most surely will backfire. Unless of course every person suddenly has a change of heart due to "honest" top leadership.

Systems ALWAYS deliver the results they are designed to achieve.
 
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Both the dictators Gen Zia and Gen Musharraf instituted the local bodies and their elections.

Anybody interested can read this document:

http://www1.worldbank.org/publicsector/decentralization/feb2004course/background materials/cheema.pdf
You need to understand this.
Democracy has started in Pakistan.. It is very new and does not perform.
In order to make it work and perform it needs some changes in the way of governance..
You and I both can agree that governance is not right even in the cities of lahore and Islamabad whom we consider the paragon of taraqi..
Musharaff tried local body system and it is good.
Local body system is the key to strengthen the democracy.
Don't go beyond look only at India, turkey even England.
If they can do it why not us when all other systems have already failed..
This system is quite different from musharaf and zia.
And my point is if politicians dont do it or didn't reform the governance then who is going to come ? Do we have to wait for a dictator to come and give us a local bodies system.
A road in a shitty corner of some small town is broken and you need pm or cm to make it..
Imran khan can be the evilest person on earth.. But one thing we have to agree is that local bodies system is not wrong.
There are many debates of which Model we should use. The last model we have, what does the local bodies actually achieve where as in musharaf time we actually see and know our nazim and he helps lots of local issues.
We must understand that local bodies is the key to give better governance .
You may hate Imran, you may hate Pti, you may hate everyone that is not pmln but don't hate what is right for Pakistan .
Change is Needed and enough time has been passed due to the polictians reluctance to correct their ways due to the fear of not being voted again..
If anyone is taking that step them we must support it.
 
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Musharaff tried local body system and it is good.

Thank you for admitting your mistake:

We have never tried it before.

Let us see whether PMIK succeeds where others before him have failed in making such a system work. My prayers and wishes are with him, of course, hoping that Einstein's definition of insanity does not apply here.
 
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Thank you for admitting your mistake:



Let us see whether PMIK succeeds where others before him have failed in making such a system work. My prayers and wishes are with him, of course, hoping that Einstein's definition of insanity does not apply here.
You still don't get my point.
It not about PMIK or Pti.
It is about the way of how we should govern our country.
We follow British parliamentary system...
Where Scotland and England are two different countries in every sense that can go into referendum at any time but that's not the case with Pakistan or India.
Let's just not go into whether presidential or parliamentary system is better.
We have parliamentary system now. No one can change the system because no one has majority.
Now we have this system and we need to improve it. Have you seen anywhere in the world, where people from assemblies get money to spend in their consistency ?
Where their job is not only to Leagilate but also to make a nali and a pakdandi.
For this, everywhere in the world there is local governments.
Local governments have worked and performed in military times but civilians have not let them become effective due to their fear for another marshal law or the fear of devolution of power.
Another Marshall law cannot come, we simply don't have enough support from Washington for that.
And if these politicians want to limit the role of military in politics, then they must not go and beg the generals to end their cases and fight their cases only in courts...
Countless times it is reported that hamza, shahbaz, nawaz, nisar have been to generals in the dead of night begging for mercy...promising to be good boys...they are actually the one to give generals leverage over them.. If they stop being their pets then they would not be petted..
Now we have this fledgling democracy and it is not working.
In order to make it work and be more effective we need to devolve power.. Thats the way around the world and we are not some geniuses that can develop some other system. The entire structure has collapsed so badly that people living abroad cannot imagine.
No one knows who to pick the garbage and who to treat the water and who to clean the roads or maintain greenbelt or renovate the city..
And this system where that a city generate enough money to run itself is actually the thing.
This new system may not be sent from heaven and it may also see some problems. But it would be first step and would evolve.
I would expect the same from ppp and pmln if they are in power. Why because when they have decided for democracy and the democracy is here. they have to burn the past and work towards Impoving this democracy..
 
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You still don't get my point.
It not about PMIK or Pti.
It is about the way of how we should govern our country.
We follow British parliamentary system...
Where Scotland and England are two different countries in every sense that can go into referendum at any time but that's not the case with Pakistan or India.
Let's just not go into whether presidential or parliamentary system is better.
We have parliamentary system now. No one can change the system because no one has majority.
Now we have this system and we need to improve it. Have you seen anywhere in the world, where people from assemblies get money to spend in their consistency ?
Where their job is not only to Leagilate but also to make a nali and a pakdandi.
For this, everywhere in the world there is local governments.
Local governments have worked and performed in military times but civilians have not let them become effective due to their fear for another marshal law or the fear of devolution of power.
Another Marshall law cannot come, we simply don't have enough support from Washington for that.
And if these politicians want to limit the role of military in politics, then they must not go and beg the generals to end their cases and fight their cases only in courts...
Countless times it is reported that hamza, shahbaz, nawaz, nisar have been to generals in the dead of night begging for mercy...promising to be good boys...they are actually the one to give generals leverage over them.. If they stop being their pets then they would not be petted..
Now we have this fledgling democracy and it is not working.
In order to make it work and be more effective we need to devolve power.. Thats the way around the world and we are not some geniuses that can develop some other system. The entire structure has collapsed so badly that people living abroad cannot imagine.
No one knows who to pick the garbage and who to treat the water and who to clean the roads or maintain greenbelt or renovate the city..
And this system where that a city generate enough money to run itself is actually the thing.
This new system may not be sent from heaven and it may also see some problems. But it would be first step and would evolve.
I would expect the same from ppp and pmln if they are in power. Why because when they have decided for democracy and the democracy is here. they have to burn the past and work towards Impoving this democracy..

Oh I get your point alright. PMIK wants to try the LB system yet again, and I am okay with that. I wish him luck. The results will prove whether he was able to deliver what he said, or not.
 
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Questions:

Who is going to give clearance to the nominees and what is the process?

Are there going to be any detailed checks on the assets and tax records of these individuals?

What is the process of termination of an incompetent/corrupt mayor etc?

I like the idea of collecting revenue by the local bodies to spend locally. Lets see if Lahoriay and other city dwellers cough up for the facilities roads etc they want.
 
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Questions:

Who is going to give clearance to the nominees and what is the process?

Are there going to be any detailed checks on the assets and tax records of these individuals?

What is the process of termination of an incompetent/corrupt mayor etc?

I like the idea of collecting revenue by the local bodies to spend locally. Lets see if Lahoriay and other city dwellers cough up for the facilities roads etc they want.
We all do bro.
Look at us living in big societies or even flats.. They pay upto 3000 to 4000 monthly, for water and services that include picking up their garbage, maintaing front lawns and providing plumber etc....
So why not this .
 
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We all do bro.
Look at us living in big societies or even flats.. They pay upto 3000 to 4000 monthly, for water and services that include picking up their garbage, maintaing front lawns and providing plumber etc....
So why not this .
We all do bro.
Look at us living in big societies or even flats.. They pay upto 3000 to 4000 monthly, for water and services that include picking up their garbage, maintaing front lawns and providing plumber etc....
So why not this .

Council tax is one such way. Bands by areas and then enforce it including court cases and arrest warrants. There should be courts specifically for revenue collection matters. For cities only for now.
 
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Why is there no mechanism to make sure that political parties deliver on their election promises?
 
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This is actually an excellent strategy. But can he put all the pieces together? I know in PTI think tank there is a lady who has been campaigning for local government devolution.

There is no quick fix, these are long term steps. Results will bear fruit somewhere in 2025 in'sha'Allah.
 
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