Pm Imran Khan and Russian President Vladimir Putin meeting fixed

[JohnWick]

Hi,

Now---the break free point is Gwadar---and the opponents are trying every trick in the book to contain that growth---.

Thats true but chabahar port will be doomed when Gawadar will start....
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then Yemen crisis was a gift given from Allah to pakistan to change its destiny---.

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But Pakistan has decided not to fight others war again....right ?

If pak had built up a troop strength of 150 K troops at the expense of GCC and kept them located at critical places for the security of the GCC---that would have been 150 K troops extra at a very critical location---.

A part of those troops would have covered a certain enemy flank which the enemy had never never dreamt it could face threat from---.

What would that have meant---the enemy would have to have dispersed its military assets to cover that flank---thus weakening its main position of thrust into pakistan---.

May be some types of these
Measures have done....
We were criticizing PAF on 26Feb but it eventually happened to be a success....
Am I correct here ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

That branch of reaping benefits has been cutoff when Gen Raheel refused to send military to Yemen---.

There are no benefits for pakistan in keeping neutral---.

And what is the benefits could we gain if includes Yemen crisis, gets some $$$$ may be or support from west/EU etc etc, it good to see Pakistan is neutral on Yemen crisis @MastanKhan

 

[Defense Reader]

isolated Pakistan
Shakal te wikhu left corner waly di

 

[Defense Reader]

PM Imran Khan SCO say no to Dollar https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/06/14/pm-imran-says-no-to-dollar-at-sco/

 

[Syed1.]

I hope the discussion is centered more on economics than arms. Remember a rich nation can adequately arm itself but a poor nation will always remain vulnerable. We need that Russian expertise in steel manufacturing and heavy industries.

 

[Desert Fox]

A country with a much bigger hostile neighbour, weak economy and no base for military technology cannot afford to remain isolated. Being in one camp doesn't imply that we have to blindly follow the camp leader, we did establish friendly relations with China despite being in "US camp".
India though officially non-aligned, was in reality, a part of an undeclared anti-Chinese alliance. And received military and economic aid from Britain and the United States for being a part of such an alliance. That aid helped her immensely in the wars of 65 and 71. Owing to the conflict with China, it was in the good books of both the US and USSR at the same time, a luxury we couldn't afford. Being a part of an un declared anti-China alliance with the United States and Britain is not exactly the same as remaining "neutral".

Nehru, who had shunned military assistance as signifying 'practically becoming aligned to that country' was prepared to accept it after 1962 conflict. He admitted that his policy of non-alignment was impractical. In his words"We were getting out of touch with the reality of the modern word and we were living in an atmosphere of our own creation".[That was the champion of non-alignment having a rude awakening]... He was even prepared to talk for a tacit air defence pact with the United States in case Chinese resumed offensive. In return, he only had to "talk to Pakistan" for the resolution of Kashmir dispute. Which he did by asking us to make the CFL international boundary.
In November 1962, Britain and United States sent missions to Dehli inorder to determine what military assistance India might need. Pakistan obviously was angered that a non-aligned country was getting military assistance. The economic and military aid coming from the West as a part of anti-China alliance helped India raise additional mountain divisions which she readily used against Pakistan in both 65 and 71 wars aside from strengthening and expanding her overall military capability. Economic aid meant that India could now divert funds meant for development towards defence.
Ayub, who was thought to be firmly in the US camp, forged a strong relationship with China during 64-65. He also visited Soviet Union and signed a trade treaty and credit agreement on oil prospecting.

What India's non-alignment was and how deep in the US camp Pakistan was---was not as simple and straight forward as you guys make it sound. Geography and localized conflicts like the 62 war influenced the policies. We who were thought to be "US stooges" had established long lasting relations with China during that time so much so that they delivered 60 F-6 aircraft free of cost before 71 war. Any country can join any camp to reap economic and military benefits, and for those reasons, Pakistan has been firmly in Chinese camp for a long time.
@Desert Fox @Taimur Khurram @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Hakikat ve Hikmet @MUSTAKSHAF

Well said we gotta play our cards carefully and more often than not remaining neutral isn't always possible as much as we would like to believe it is however I think using Pakistan as a real estate to rent out to a new regional or world power ever few decades by our ruling elite has proven to be a disaster for us. We need to have some self respect but we are not a cobfident nation, not in the grassroots level nor on the higher level. Our "patriotism" is an empty one, thus why not only is the common man quick to sell his nation but so are our leaders.

 

[Psychic]

Well said we gotta play our cards carefully and more often than not remaining neutral isn't always possible as much as we would like to believe it is however I think using Pakistan as a real estate to rent out to a new regional or world power ever few decades by our ruling elite has proven to be a disaster for us. We need to have some self respect but we are not a cobfident nation, not in the grassroots level nor on the higher level. Our "patriotism" is an empty one, thus why not only is the common man quick to sell his nation but so are our leaders.

Inferiority complex is responsible for us renting out our services without taking into account our own national interests. It is upto our leaders to negotiate better terms for us---but with the attitude that Amrika is sooooo stroonggg and we are soooooo weeaakkk, we have always bowed our heads far lower than optimum level.

 

[Armchair]

Hi,

Fear is a terrible thing to live under---and a constant fear of your existence being challenged from a known enemy that is not going to miss a chance to destroy you---there is no bigger fear than that.

For that we went the nuc route---. We believed that was going to be our saviour---first Allah and then the resource on the ground---and off course it was---.

But the major part of the equation that we did not realize was---that the best helping hand is at the end of your arm---and that was our education system---our industrial base---our culture and character---our young men---whose only wish is to wear the khaki uniform.

We thought that at the critical time---all involved will push the button---and now we know that is farthest from the truth---. Some will push the button---and some will not---they would rather be subjugated and live---.

We did not realize---that with education and industry---our economic strength would increase---we could arm ourselves with potent weapon systems for protection and strike---.

But the most important part of growth was to spread out militarily---into regions that needed our assistance---. And that is the HISTORICAL TRUTH---.

We had a resource---manpower---a manpower that joins military---and there is no lack of manpower---and that is our industry---we did not use that industry properly---.

Next---to keep the center safe---your power projection needs to be farthest away from the center---. The more the distance---the lesser the chance of enemy hitting your main land---case in point USA---.

Now look at mainland china--- It has a massive massive problem---it developed at a very fast pace---industrial boom---the military technology boom lagged behind---china did not spread out its military base---and now it is being contained---even though it is trying very very hard to break free---.

Now---the break free point is Gwadar---and the opponents are trying every trick in the book to contain that growth---.

Now---instead of being bogged down in a shia sunni mindset---if future growth of pakistan was primary---then Yemen crisis was a gift given from Allah to pakistan to change its destiny---.

If pak had built up a troop strength of 150 K troops at the expense of GCC and kept them located at critical places for the security of the GCC---that would have been 150 K troops extra at a very critical location---.

A part of those troops would have covered a certain enemy flank which the enemy had never never dreamt it could face threat from---.

What would that have meant---the enemy would have to have dispersed its military assets to cover that flank---thus weakening its main position of thrust into pakistan---.

That is the military part---. What other gains would we have---economic gains---. We would have more say in the job market---. Our presence would have a favorable appeal to our mothers sisters and daughters---children boys and men in the GCC when they see our flag and our uniform ready to lay down our lives for their safety and protection---.

And in doing so---we are just using OUR INDUSTRIAL PRODUCT---then men of the region---the only thing they know is to put on a uniform---hold onto a rifle---and say " sir---yes sir---I am ready to defend and strike---give me the order "---.



Hi,

The worst thing he did to pakistan was to " destroy the character of the nation "---everything else you can build and rebuild but the character---.

To re-build character---you have to pay a very heavy price---.

MK there is still an opportunity in Yemen - we could break the stalemate. PAF's newly advertised capability could still help win "package deals" of JFT with pilots to defend Saudi airspace. 50,000 soldiers could still be on offer to protect Saudi and secure Yemen.

 

[nahtanbob]

Inferiority complex is responsible for us renting out our services without taking into account our own national interests. It is upto our leaders to negotiate better terms for us---but with the attitude that Amrika is sooooo stroonggg and we are soooooo weeaakkk, we have always bowed our heads far lower than optimum level.

you are assuming your leaders are not bargaining hard.

it is hard to negotiate with America if India is undercutting you. during the cold war you did not have to worry about India. you took advantage of India's non-alignment. right now with Modi breathing down your neck there is a little to bargain with

 

[Armchair]

Pak India Bangladesh rent out millions of our people, in the worst conditions. We sell our labour as slave nations. That is the cold, hard reality. It would have been far more dignified to have sold them soldiers rather than labourers and nannies and cleaners, etc.

Reading some of the comments, some people like to live in the clouds.

 

[nahtanbob]

Pak India Bangladesh rent out millions of our people, in the worst conditions. We sell our labour as slave nations. That is the cold, hard reality. It would have been far more dignified to have sold them soldiers rather than labourers and nannies and cleaners, etc.

Reading some of the comments, some people like to live in the clouds.

why is a mercenary more dignified than a laborer or nanny or cleaner

 

[airmarshal]

When is the meeting? Is Putin coming to Pakistan or Imran going to Russia?

 

[Zee-shaun]

When is the meeting? Is Putin coming to Pakistan or Imran going to Russia?

They already met during the SCO summit.

 

[Psychic]

during the cold war you did not have to worry about India. you took advantage of India's non-alignment.

India received massive military and economic aid from US and UK after 1962 conflict. Despite being "non-aligned".
Whatever "advantage" we had, fizzled out after a couple of years.

right now with Modi breathing down your neck there is a little to bargain with

Indian detected.
Why don't you show your true flags? Ashamed of something?

Jeez, they literally worship Modi. Despite him getting humiliated every now and then.

And no. We are not afraid of Modi or anyone else. A couple of days ago, BLA got declared as a terrorist organization by the USA---organization armed and funded by India.

Aslam Achoo mastermind of Chinese counslate attack getting treatment for kidney ailment in Dehli hospital

His Afghan govt issued passport

Finally eliminated by army

Modi has failed to "isolate" us. But you Indians can continue worshiping him the latest feather in his cap is getting BLA declared as terror organization.
Modi breathing down our neck---my @rse. After getting his @ss handed to him on 27th.
Keep worshiping that divider in chief.

 

[nahtanbob]

India received massive military and economic aid from US and UK after 1962 conflict. Despite being "non-aligned".
Whatever "advantage" we had, fizzled out after a couple of years.

Indian detected.
Why don't you show your true flags? Ashamed of something?

Jeez, they literally worship Modi. Despite him getting humiliated every now and then.

it is easy to shoot the messenger. the fact is that Pakistani leaders have to look over at India every time they bargain with USA. you should ask your generals why they dropped their pants the days after 9/11. Contrast it to Iran's defiant attitude towards us