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and one thing more ... neutral people only lives in graveyards .... alive people always chose sides

Hi,

"[Franklin] was also one of the committee of five which drew up what is known as the 'Declaration of Independence.' When about to sign it Hancock, one of his colleagues, is reported to have said, 'We must be unanimous; there must be no pulling different ways; we must all hang together.' 'Yes,' replied Franklin, 'we must hang together, or we will be pretty sure to hang separately.' "
 
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Hi,

"[Franklin] was also one of the committee of five which drew up what is known as the 'Declaration of Independence.' When about to sign it Hancock, one of his colleagues, is reported to have said, 'We must be unanimous; there must be no pulling different ways; we must all hang together.' 'Yes,' replied Franklin, 'we must hang together, or we will be pretty sure to hang separately.' "
Maybe the example of the five cows would have been better for this forum. :p:

J/K
 
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Very well said. Now wait for Pakistanis from Australia, Canada, UK & US to come and bash you, and call you clueless, because they still have a hangover form what they drank last night, or are too high ridding their ego.

we have right to do so it is our country not arabs. we have fed pakistan our charity is biggest. otherwise we be sending maids to be molested.

look gulf countries, needs to grow balls if they cant handle war then they should stop preaching jihad and crap. why play a game such as financing terroist groups along with isreal, usa, uk then get snitched by them on fox news. now they want pak to go die in some war like soviet unlike russia which has enourmous resources and some inteligence population. our will be down hill all the way. we dont have inteligent obligarths that know how to play the game and get all industries backup, take alil cut. ours will just be corruption, backwardness and starvestion.
 
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Hi,

I very much doubt it. Pakistanis are basically gamblers---they are very poor strategists for the nation until and unless it is for personal reasons.

Pakistani generals live in a world of stupidity and arrogance---. Did they ever comtemplate last year what would happen if there was a mass shooter in the U S with pakistani background or if india created another mumbai tyo attack---what would they do the?

That is why Yemen was of extreme importance---it was not a major operation----but the dividends would have been massive---.

A verbal communique with Iran to stay out of yemen---and talk to yemeis and tell them to calm down---send 50000 troops---get the money---train 150000 troops for the region with all the fanfare---get 500000 to a 1000000 jobs for pakistanis in the gulf states---ask for more influential jobs for the pakistanis in higher positions as well.

Create a center for recruitment of pakistani talent and keep and watch on them and keep them under the directive of the state.

Have the gulf states invest in some hospitals and universities in pakistan---we already talked about this----.

I think that Pakistan needs to re-start this issue one more time---it needs to face the reality---that it is being LEFT ALONE IN THE WORLD-----AN THAT IS A BAD PLACE TO BE.

Once this is recognized---then possibly some changes may take place.


Sir why not promote the idea that they requested not ordered our help ............... I believe this has been the case? Why not promote this publicly, this may help soothe false ego of us Pakistanis. Educate the public remove false impressions and to some extent make the dividends public. As long as Pakistani public is kept in dark any deals will only benefit individuals and would eventually harm Pakistan's interest, and this also provides opportunity for opposing parties to spread misinformation.............................
 
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I would like to draw attention of readers here to the some facts from past and hopefully may present the picture with an example of our past coalition, for better understanding. No rebuttal or criticism is intended but a presentation of my view and observations in this subject.

The era of our coalition with US & West during cold war against USSR is open and clear to understand for everyone. Indeed we were then called non-NATO ally but for a specific purpose. We made a bond of friendship for the purpose of US & West alone to counter USSR in this region which was growing tension for US & West but indeed relates to our security and sovereignty as well. Pakistan stance was rightly defined in that time that countering the USSR was also in favour and we decided to take the best advantages in such opportunity. However, we lost more than we catered. Even till today, we lost many precious lives and sustained an economical damage that we are still striving to overcome. We have been aided in many forms during the same coalition and are still benefiting from the fruits though to the extent, not very happy with it or minimum against our efforts. Pakistan fully participated in the war and strengthened itself in the field of defence as well so also had hand over F-16s etc. This coalition on one hand brought us funds from US & West but also dragged us into a war that we are still fighting against. While looking at the picture, it is appearing as we lost most and gained less, in short. This coalition was all alone against USSR invasion which fulfills the needs of US & West most and some of ours as well which we are still aided against and fight is also still on.

On other hand, the Islamic Coalition is totally a different subject which is based upon fight against proxies & terrorists or any threats to these participating nations, in this coalition. Now, to the some people, the observations are like we are unnecessarily be dragged to fight someone else fight. As per my observations, this time, such coalition is totally different than the coalition being formed back there against USSR only. Being an Islamic country, it is our responsibility to praise and participate from inside in this coalition as well. It is a must for us to protect our holy places against such adversaries, being member of this coalition with the help of all Muslim Nations. This coalition will not just strengthen the brotherhood of Islamic world but would indeed benefit us in long term as well but calling this as a paid mercenary job, is not the justice with it at all. We have been in coalition with US & West against USSR and can be called paid mercenaries from one side of the picture but on other side, it was in our best interest as well. So the situation of region and proxies rise within M.E, once again indicates that Pakistan should not try to stand aside posturing as neutral that may leave us alone in this situation but indeed participation in such coalition with full zeal and most of all with FAITH, will benefit us. The most of the anti-Islamic elements will try hard to defame such coalition with any monopoly or conspiracy but this brotherhood should be formed as a need, today or in future indeed In’Sha’ALLAH. Arab countries have been supporting Pakistan on many occasions with every mean of source that they could and it is not a secret but an open truth though the some deluded minds in the love of US & West may not let it to be clear to the people.

ISIS is getting stronger than before with the help of proxies’ lovers indeed and in short, I would draw attention to the recent encounters of Taliban with ISIS in Afghanistan. This is not mentioned here to support Taliban but a little effort to the few that may understand the situation. Pakistan is indeed helping US & Afghanistan for peace in Afghanistan with the help of China as well. To the some sources, Russia is helping Taliban not just to repay the favour but indeed to counter the growing ISIS threat in the region. While looking at the few strategies, in my mind, firstly it is better to support the one who is enemy of my enemy. Pakistan alone cannot deal with such proxies and it is a truth because a power like US and West as well couldn’t eliminate such threat even after a long fight with no expiry date yet. Such coalition will also help reduce the threat in this region as well.

Such coalition will not just help to build a stronger block against any threat but also would be helping to grow our economy. Pakistan will indeed share its huge experience of WOT even after being low in equipment, with countries within coalition and such sharing will not be free, not just because we demand money but as per the rule of business as well. Arab countries are promised with same strategy and are assured in other words as well. Pakistan is not going to fight someone else battle but will help build and share awareness of tactics based upon experience. As per observations, it wouldn’t be like Pakistan is sending a huge number of troops for fight but as per convenience and availability for training & sharing and in return it will be benefited as well. Arab world has the equipment and their militaries are indeed stronger in this subject but while looking at the expertise, Pakistan leads the way and everyone praises the same as well.

Participation in this coalition and the benefits should not be counted as aid or fund here because, it has to do more about brotherhood or at least it is far better coalition than the bond of US & West because this is also about Islamic world. It is always better later than never. Islamic brotherhood might be panic to the some but I am sure, it will strengthen the Muslim world as well will help get us together on a platform with mutual understanding and interests. If anti-Islam elements can get together working on their evil agenda then this coalition is must and should be stronger than ever. Indeed we have a bitter past with respect to these types of coalitions but this time it appears to be more valid and strong within it while looking at the dedication of Muslim nations and the adversaries that all of us are facing. The past has taught a lesson and it is revealed that many of us have learnt enough so the importance of this coalition is being considered. To the some observers, it has been expressed that it is just about save the crown but I doubt that as whomever the nations are participating, have clear intention and goals and understands well that what they are looking for.

In the meantime, Pakistan should work and arrange a better economy which will ultimately minimize the demand of so called funds or aid etc. A stronger economy is must and should be without any doubt as without it, prosperity wouldn’t come. Our main goal and interest should be the stronger Pakistan starting with growing economy that will eventually result in a greater Pakistan and nation. Depending upon funds and aid is neither feasible nor beneficial in long run and should be considered as a gap fill but stronger economy will result in long lasting fruits for betterment. Our current position in respect of growing economy and many projects indicates clearly that all we need in first place is to take steps wisely and path is set all there. In’Sha’ALLAH Pakistan will rise and shine and being an atomic power is respected among Muslim countries as well so the same validates our importance more in this coalition. Pakistan is not going against Russia etc by this coalition as we know that where, how and what to play. This is not like we are going to nuke someone or to utilize our N power but indeed the research and advancement in this field alone will help many Islamic nations for their advancement in the field of science. Pakistan is not going to be the reason of N distribution and neither it is intended at all or being demanded yet by any Arab nation from Pakistan. In this coalition, Pakistan should play the part from inside and will be benefited as well and from current interest, seems feasible. Pakistan has indeed viewed all the right and wrong in this regard so also is aware of the results or possibilities and seems like it will benefit us not as aid or fund but indeed for the services that may start with training and sharing experience and further on. The equipment of Arab world will not just benefit us but would be indeed available in case of any dire consequences so also will be helpful to strengthen our defence by additions of required gadgets. If a NATO type coalition can be made so this could be done as well in Islamic world which may help every participant or member to buildup a stronger defence as well, as per capability and skills. This coalition would be more like a group helping each other as per skills of every single of them which will ultimately help grow all of them. This coalition will not just help build stronger defence but indeed will be feasible for economic ties and more business yet is visible in shape of CPEC in case of Pakistan.

Hopefully things will turn into something better and Pakistan will play its role wisely and smartly while bringing the prosperity to this nation and Islamic world as well In’Sha’ALLAH.

Pakistan Zindabad

@Horus @Slav Defence @WAJsal @Khafee @Neutron @MaarKhoor @mshahid @Ammara Chaudhry & others
 
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I would like to draw attention of readers here to the some facts from past and hopefully may present the picture with an example of our past coalition, for better understanding. No rebuttal or criticism is intended but a presentation of my view and observations in this subject.

The era of our coalition with US & West during cold war against USSR is open and clear to understand for everyone. Indeed we were then called non-NATO ally but for a specific purpose. We made a bond of friendship for the purpose of US & West alone to counter USSR in this region which was growing tension for US & West but indeed relates to our security and sovereignty as well. Pakistan stance was rightly defined in that time that countering the USSR was also in favour and we decided to take the best advantages in such opportunity. However, we lost more than we catered. Even till today, we lost many precious lives and sustained an economical damage that we are still striving to overcome. We have been aided in many forms during the same coalition and are still benefiting from the fruits though to the extent, not very happy with it or minimum against our efforts. Pakistan fully participated in the war and strengthened itself in the field of defence as well so also had hand over F-16s etc. This coalition on one hand brought us funds from US & West but also dragged us into a war that we are still fighting against. While looking at the picture, it is appearing as we lost most and gained less, in short. This coalition was all alone against USSR invasion which fulfills the needs of US & West most and some of ours as well which we are still aided against and fight is also still on.

On other hand, the Islamic Coalition is totally a different subject which is based upon fight against proxies & terrorists or any threats to these participating nations, in this coalition. Now, to the some people, the observations are like we are unnecessarily be dragged to fight someone else fight. As per my observations, this time, such coalition is totally different than the coalition being formed back there against USSR only. Being an Islamic country, it is our responsibility to praise and participate from inside in this coalition as well. It is a must for us to protect our holy places against such adversaries, being member of this coalition with the help of all Muslim Nations. This coalition will not just strengthen the brotherhood of Islamic world but would indeed benefit us in long term as well but calling this as a paid mercenary job, is not the justice with it at all. We have been in coalition with US & West against USSR and can be called paid mercenaries from one side of the picture but on other side, it was in our best interest as well. So the situation of region and proxies rise within M.E, once again indicates that Pakistan should not try to stand aside posturing as neutral that may leave us alone in this situation but indeed participation in such coalition with full zeal and most of all with FAITH, will benefit us. The most of the anti-Islamic elements will try hard to defame such coalition with any monopoly or conspiracy but this brotherhood should be formed as a need, today or in future indeed In’Sha’ALLAH. Arab countries have been supporting Pakistan on many occasions with every mean of source that they could and it is not a secret but an open truth though the some deluded minds in the love of US & West may not let it to be clear to the people.

ISIS is getting stronger than before with the help of proxies’ lovers indeed and in short, I would draw attention to the recent encounters of Taliban with ISIS in Afghanistan. This is not mentioned here to support Taliban but a little effort to the few that may understand the situation. Pakistan is indeed helping US & Afghanistan for peace in Afghanistan with the help of China as well. To the some sources, Russia is helping Taliban not just to repay the favour but indeed to counter the growing ISIS threat in the region. While looking at the few strategies, in my mind, firstly it is better to support the one who is enemy of my enemy. Pakistan alone cannot deal with such proxies and it is a truth because a power like US and West as well couldn’t eliminate such threat even after a long fight with no expiry date yet. Such coalition will also help reduce the threat in this region as well.

Such coalition will not just help to build a stronger block against any threat but also would be helping to grow our economy. Pakistan will indeed share its huge experience of WOT even after being low in equipment, with countries within coalition and such sharing will not be free, not just because we demand money but as per the rule of business as well. Arab countries are promised with same strategy and are assured in other words as well. Pakistan is not going to fight someone else battle but will help build and share awareness of tactics based upon experience. As per observations, it wouldn’t be like Pakistan is sending a huge number of troops for fight but as per convenience and availability for training & sharing and in return it will be benefited as well. Arab world has the equipment and their militaries are indeed stronger in this subject but while looking at the expertise, Pakistan leads the way and everyone praises the same as well.

Participation in this coalition and the benefits should not be counted as aid or fund here because, it has to do more about brotherhood or at least it is far better coalition than the bond of US & West because this is also about Islamic world. It is always better later than never. Islamic brotherhood might be panic to the some but I am sure, it will strengthen the Muslim world as well will help get us together on a platform with mutual understanding and interests. If anti-Islam elements can get together working on their evil agenda then this coalition is must and should be stronger than ever. Indeed we have a bitter past with respect to these types of coalitions but this time it appears to be more valid and strong within it while looking at the dedication of Muslim nations and the adversaries that all of us are facing. The past has taught a lesson and it is revealed that many of us have learnt enough so the importance of this coalition is being considered. To the some observers, it has been expressed that it is just about save the crown but I doubt that as whomever the nations are participating, have clear intention and goals and understands well that what they are looking for.

In the meantime, Pakistan should work and arrange a better economy which will ultimately minimize the demand of so called funds or aid etc. A stronger economy is must and should be without any doubt as without it, prosperity wouldn’t come. Our main goal and interest should be the stronger Pakistan starting with growing economy that will eventually result in a greater Pakistan and nation. Depending upon funds and aid is neither feasible nor beneficial in long run and should be considered as a gap fill but stronger economy will result in long lasting fruits for betterment. Our current position in respect of growing economy and many projects indicates clearly that all we need in first place is to take steps wisely and path is set all there. In’Sha’ALLAH Pakistan will rise and shine and being an atomic power is respected among Muslim countries as well so the same validates our importance more in this coalition. Pakistan is not going against Russia etc by this coalition as we know that where, how and what to play. This is not like we are going to nuke someone or to utilize our N power but indeed the research and advancement in this field alone will help many Islamic nations for their advancement in the field of science. Pakistan is not going to be the reason of N distribution and neither it is intended at all or being demanded yet by any Arab nation from Pakistan. In this coalition, Pakistan should play the part from inside and will be benefited as well and from current interest, seems feasible. Pakistan has indeed viewed all the right and wrong in this regard so also is aware of the results or possibilities and seems like it will benefit us not as aid or fund but indeed for the services that may start with training and sharing experience and further on. The equipment of Arab world will not just benefit us but would be indeed available in case of any dire consequences so also will be helpful to strengthen our defence by additions of required gadgets. If a NATO type coalition can be made so this could be done as well in Islamic world which may help every participant or member to buildup a stronger defence as well, as per capability and skills. This coalition would be more like a group helping each other as per skills of every single of them which will ultimately help grow all of them. This coalition will not just help build stronger defence but indeed will be feasible for economic ties and more business yet is visible in shape of CPEC in case of Pakistan.

Hopefully things will turn into something better and Pakistan will play its role wisely and smartly while bringing the prosperity to this nation and Islamic world as well In’Sha’ALLAH.

Pakistan Zindabad

@Horus @Slav Defence @WAJsal @Khafee @Neutron @MaarKhoor @mshahid @Ammara Chaudhry & others


Sir Jii as usual wonderful analysis.
 
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I would like to draw attention of readers here to the some facts from past and hopefully may present the picture with an example of our past coalition, for better understanding. No rebuttal or criticism is intended but a presentation of my view and observations in this subject.

The era of our coalition with US & West during cold war against USSR is open and clear to understand for everyone. Indeed we were then called non-NATO ally but for a specific purpose. We made a bond of friendship for the purpose of US & West alone to counter USSR in this region which was growing tension for US & West but indeed relates to our security and sovereignty as well. Pakistan stance was rightly defined in that time that countering the USSR was also in favour and we decided to take the best advantages in such opportunity. However, we lost more than we catered. Even till today, we lost many precious lives and sustained an economical damage that we are still striving to overcome. We have been aided in many forms during the same coalition and are still benefiting from the fruits though to the extent, not very happy with it or minimum against our efforts. Pakistan fully participated in the war and strengthened itself in the field of defence as well so also had hand over F-16s etc. This coalition on one hand brought us funds from US & West but also dragged us into a war that we are still fighting against. While looking at the picture, it is appearing as we lost most and gained less, in short. This coalition was all alone against USSR invasion which fulfills the needs of US & West most and some of ours as well which we are still aided against and fight is also still on.

On other hand, the Islamic Coalition is totally a different subject which is based upon fight against proxies & terrorists or any threats to these participating nations, in this coalition. Now, to the some people, the observations are like we are unnecessarily be dragged to fight someone else fight. As per my observations, this time, such coalition is totally different than the coalition being formed back there against USSR only. Being an Islamic country, it is our responsibility to praise and participate from inside in this coalition as well. It is a must for us to protect our holy places against such adversaries, being member of this coalition with the help of all Muslim Nations. This coalition will not just strengthen the brotherhood of Islamic world but would indeed benefit us in long term as well but calling this as a paid mercenary job, is not the justice with it at all. We have been in coalition with US & West against USSR and can be called paid mercenaries from one side of the picture but on other side, it was in our best interest as well. So the situation of region and proxies rise within M.E, once again indicates that Pakistan should not try to stand aside posturing as neutral that may leave us alone in this situation but indeed participation in such coalition with full zeal and most of all with FAITH, will benefit us. The most of the anti-Islamic elements will try hard to defame such coalition with any monopoly or conspiracy but this brotherhood should be formed as a need, today or in future indeed In’Sha’ALLAH. Arab countries have been supporting Pakistan on many occasions with every mean of source that they could and it is not a secret but an open truth though the some deluded minds in the love of US & West may not let it to be clear to the people.

ISIS is getting stronger than before with the help of proxies’ lovers indeed and in short, I would draw attention to the recent encounters of Taliban with ISIS in Afghanistan. This is not mentioned here to support Taliban but a little effort to the few that may understand the situation. Pakistan is indeed helping US & Afghanistan for peace in Afghanistan with the help of China as well. To the some sources, Russia is helping Taliban not just to repay the favour but indeed to counter the growing ISIS threat in the region. While looking at the few strategies, in my mind, firstly it is better to support the one who is enemy of my enemy. Pakistan alone cannot deal with such proxies and it is a truth because a power like US and West as well couldn’t eliminate such threat even after a long fight with no expiry date yet. Such coalition will also help reduce the threat in this region as well.

Such coalition will not just help to build a stronger block against any threat but also would be helping to grow our economy. Pakistan will indeed share its huge experience of WOT even after being low in equipment, with countries within coalition and such sharing will not be free, not just because we demand money but as per the rule of business as well. Arab countries are promised with same strategy and are assured in other words as well. Pakistan is not going to fight someone else battle but will help build and share awareness of tactics based upon experience. As per observations, it wouldn’t be like Pakistan is sending a huge number of troops for fight but as per convenience and availability for training & sharing and in return it will be benefited as well. Arab world has the equipment and their militaries are indeed stronger in this subject but while looking at the expertise, Pakistan leads the way and everyone praises the same as well.

Participation in this coalition and the benefits should not be counted as aid or fund here because, it has to do more about brotherhood or at least it is far better coalition than the bond of US & West because this is also about Islamic world. It is always better later than never. Islamic brotherhood might be panic to the some but I am sure, it will strengthen the Muslim world as well will help get us together on a platform with mutual understanding and interests. If anti-Islam elements can get together working on their evil agenda then this coalition is must and should be stronger than ever. Indeed we have a bitter past with respect to these types of coalitions but this time it appears to be more valid and strong within it while looking at the dedication of Muslim nations and the adversaries that all of us are facing. The past has taught a lesson and it is revealed that many of us have learnt enough so the importance of this coalition is being considered. To the some observers, it has been expressed that it is just about save the crown but I doubt that as whomever the nations are participating, have clear intention and goals and understands well that what they are looking for.

In the meantime, Pakistan should work and arrange a better economy which will ultimately minimize the demand of so called funds or aid etc. A stronger economy is must and should be without any doubt as without it, prosperity wouldn’t come. Our main goal and interest should be the stronger Pakistan starting with growing economy that will eventually result in a greater Pakistan and nation. Depending upon funds and aid is neither feasible nor beneficial in long run and should be considered as a gap fill but stronger economy will result in long lasting fruits for betterment. Our current position in respect of growing economy and many projects indicates clearly that all we need in first place is to take steps wisely and path is set all there. In’Sha’ALLAH Pakistan will rise and shine and being an atomic power is respected among Muslim countries as well so the same validates our importance more in this coalition. Pakistan is not going against Russia etc by this coalition as we know that where, how and what to play. This is not like we are going to nuke someone or to utilize our N power but indeed the research and advancement in this field alone will help many Islamic nations for their advancement in the field of science. Pakistan is not going to be the reason of N distribution and neither it is intended at all or being demanded yet by any Arab nation from Pakistan. In this coalition, Pakistan should play the part from inside and will be benefited as well and from current interest, seems feasible. Pakistan has indeed viewed all the right and wrong in this regard so also is aware of the results or possibilities and seems like it will benefit us not as aid or fund but indeed for the services that may start with training and sharing experience and further on. The equipment of Arab world will not just benefit us but would be indeed available in case of any dire consequences so also will be helpful to strengthen our defence by additions of required gadgets. If a NATO type coalition can be made so this could be done as well in Islamic world which may help every participant or member to buildup a stronger defence as well, as per capability and skills. This coalition would be more like a group helping each other as per skills of every single of them which will ultimately help grow all of them. This coalition will not just help build stronger defence but indeed will be feasible for economic ties and more business yet is visible in shape of CPEC in case of Pakistan.

Hopefully things will turn into something better and Pakistan will play its role wisely and smartly while bringing the prosperity to this nation and Islamic world as well In’Sha’ALLAH.

Pakistan Zindabad

@Horus @Slav Defence @WAJsal @Khafee @Neutron @MaarKhoor @mshahid @Ammara Chaudhry & others

Thanks for the tag. ;)

*Deep breath*
Done reading & splendid post. Good job boy. :p

Ok I agree with you completely. Still I got few questions and concerns.
Yes, it's like fard for everyone to protect our holy places. Muslims won't let any evil society, agenda or whatsoever to look at to destroy the holy places (Maa'z Allah).
But don't you think, Pakistan is already dealing with so much, odd of terrorism, corruption, and so many other problems to clean up in Pakistan. Op Zarb e Azb itself is very huge operation. Should not we clean it all from Pakistan before any big decision? Proxy wars are the best tactics to create chaos and to play with the sovereignty of a state. There are high chance for Russia, India and Iran to play this game in Pakistan. No?
While Pakistan's armed forces are busy on fighting with terrorists in Pakistan and in the Arab league coalition (if we join it).
You know better than me the depth of the matter and I can see that. But what about the sovereignty of Pakistan? The situation of Syria is not even hidden to you or me or the world. And this is the result of proxy war and the hatred between two countries. If we become pro to one and oppose the other, what is the guarantee we won't see the same evil in Pakistan. Isn't it risky? Very risky. If Pakistan was stronger and not depended on foreign aids and not fighting with terrorism, then there was no point to even think to join it. With my understanding.

And yes

PAKISTAN HUMESHA ZINDABAD. :)
 
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Sir why not promote the idea that they requested not ordered our help ............... I believe this has been the case? Why not promote this publicly, this may help soothe false ego of us Pakistanis. Educate the public remove false impressions and to some extent make the dividends public. As long as Pakistani public is kept in dark any deals will only benefit individuals and would eventually harm Pakistan's interest, and this also provides opportunity for opposing parties to spread misinformation.............................


Hi,

That is what I have written---both sides screwed up bad----. The gulf states did not recognize the need to address the public and calm their fears and reward them for the help.

Someone like me would have prepared a nice campaign to project the combined utility of the action that needed to be taken with a game plan of how to address the issue and about the give and take.

How the public would benefit from the deal---how there would be millions of jobs created and industry and other resources build amongst many other things.
 
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Thanks for the tag. ;)

*Deep breath*
Done reading & splendid post. Good job boy. :p

Ok I agree with you completely. Still I got few questions and concerns.
Yes, it's like fard for everyone to protect our holy places. Muslims won't let any evil society, agenda or whatsoever to look at to destroy the holy places (Maa'z Allah).
But don't you think, Pakistan is already dealing with so much, odd of terrorism, corruption, and so many other problems to clean up in Pakistan. Op Zarb e Azb itself is very huge operation. Should not we clean it all from Pakistan before any big decision? Proxy wars are the best tactics to create chaos and to play with the sovereignty of a state. There are high chance for Russia, India and Iran to play this game in Pakistan. No?
While Pakistan's armed forces are busy on fighting with terrorists in Pakistan and in the Arab league coalition (if we join it).
You know better than me the depth of the matter and I can see that. But what about the sovereignty of Pakistan? The situation of Syria is not even hidden to you or me or the world. And this is the result of proxy war and the hatred between two countries. If we become pro to one and oppose the other, what is the guarantee we won't see the same evil in Pakistan. Isn't it risky? Very risky. If Pakistan was stronger and not depended on foreign aids and not fighting with terrorism, then there was no point to even think to join it. With my understanding.

And yes

PAKISTAN HUMESHA ZINDABAD. :)


BB, Hope you are doing great.

Further, Iran don't even think once before doing military exercise with so I don't want to give any sympathy to Iran in this case, however India is doing her job already. Russia want warm water access through Gwadar.

Operations within country going great so far and the pace is very good too.

Pakistan should focus on her own interests, our almost 5+ million peoples are earning their bread and butter from middle east, GCC nations are the one who helped us in our difficult times, not Iran or Russia.

Pakistan Zindabad.
 
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Pakistan is already dealing with so much, odd of terrorism, corruption, and so many other problems to clean up in Pakistan. Op Zarb e Azb itself is very huge operation.

Indeed we are into a mess of a terrorism but the most has been handled and we are almost near to close the chapter as well but on other side it will benefit us further and it is the time to take full advantage rather to sit and watch things going ahead.

Proxy wars are the best tactics to create chaos and to play with the sovereignty of a state. There are high chance for Russia, India and Iran to play this game in Pakistan. No?

TBH, as far as i know, India & Iran are already playing their dirty proxy war within Pakistan since long. Iran by way of supporting Shia sect group mostly starting from Northern Alliance in Afghanistan and we have seen their involvement in Pakistan evidently in different incidents and India is playing wherever deem fit for her.

You know better than me the depth of the matter and I can see that. But what about the sovereignty of Pakistan?

Indeed the sovereignty is first for all of us and this is about not to miss the bus. The company of bad boys has already damaged us a lot and we have sustained enough injuries but this coalition is also about Muslim Brotherhood along with beneficial terms which will indeed serve the purpose of both the sovereignty and prosperity as well.

You know better than me the depth of the matter and I can see that. But what about the sovereignty of Pakistan? The situation of Syria is not even hidden to you or me or the world. And this is the result of proxy war and the hatred between two countries. If we become pro to one and oppose the other, what is the guarantee we won't see the same evil in Pakistan. Isn't it risky?

Apa indeed on one side it is risky but tell you what, IMO, most of us think like Pakistan is going to lead the war in Syria etc or troops will be sent by an overnight decision. No, it isn't like this our participation in coalition is to counter the threat of proxy/terrorism and the same has already entered into Afghanistan so indeed our first point of interest to counter such threat is Afghanistan that we have to face with or without Islamic coalition. Our participation would start with first sharing the experience and in return we will have the benefits as well so the same can be utilized for growth of our defence side as well which will ultimately overcome the doubt of short legs in any mean. You have to go through the history that KSA & Iran have already fought each other through proxy in Afghanistan as well & Pakistan already chose the side since long but that was the war based upon US & West v/s USSR fight and this time it is more based upon anti-proxy/terrorism act. The picture is big this time and it is not like limited to current geopolitics but indeed it goes beyond that and the most part of future depends upon it so indeed no wrong step is taken nor Pakistan is participating in this coalition to fight against Iran, Russia etc.

An alone/idol/neutral position is never in favour of the one holding something precious in bag that the wolves may gather to hunt and could do serious damage so time to choose a better company to keep the enemy at bay and continue the business as well.
 
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TBH, as far as i know, India & Iran are already playing their dirty proxy war within Pakistan since long. Iran by way of supporting Shia sect group mostly starting from Northern Alliance in Afghanistan and we have seen their involvement in Pakistan evidently in different incidents and India is playing wherever deem fit for h

Well I share the same thoughts on it and as Iran say if there ever will be may fight between India and Pakistan. Iran is on India's side.

Indeed the sovereignty is first for all of us and this is about not to miss the bus. The company of bad boys has already damaged us a lot and we have sustained enough injuries but this coalition is also about Muslim Brotherhood along with beneficial terms which will indeed serve the purpose of both the sovereignty and prosperity as well.

Sounds great and I hope it comes out to be the same as people are expecting it to be.
 
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Apa indeed on one side it is risky but tell you what, IMO, most of us think like Pakistan is going to lead the war in Syria etc or troops will be sent by an overnight decision. No, it isn't like this our participation in coalition is to counter the threat of proxy/terrorism and the same has already entered into Afghanistan so indeed our first point of interest to counter such threat is Afghanistan that we have to face with or without Islamic coalition. Our participation would start with first sharing the experience and in return we will have the benefits as well so the same can be utilized for growth of our defence side as well which will ultimately overcome the doubt of short legs in any mean. You have to go through the history that KSA & Iran have already fought each other through proxy in Afghanistan as well & Pakistan already chose the side since long but that was the war based upon US & West v/s USSR fight and this time it is more based upon anti-proxy/terrorism act. The picture is big this time and it is not like limited to current geopolitics but indeed it goes beyond that and the most part of future depends upon it so indeed no wrong step is taken nor Pakistan is participating in this coalition to fight against Iran, Russia etc.

An alone/idol/neutral position is never in favour of the one holding something precious in bag that the wolves may gather to hunt and could do serious damage so time to choose a better company to keep the enemy at bay and continue the business as well.

Iran is our neighbor and already trying to play the games in Pakistan with using Shia community. Afghanistan is being misused and herself is not fan of Pakistan. India's hate for Pakistan is not hidden to anyone. I'm not opposing to join this coalition. All I'm saying is that, it's the time when Pakistan's diplomats have to play very smartly. Any step which can cause problems in Pakistan should be avoided. Completely avoided!
We have very good relations with KSA and it surely needs to remain healthy.
 
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Thanks for the tag. ;)

*Deep breath*
Done reading & splendid post. Good job boy. :p

Ok I agree with you completely. Still I got few questions and concerns.
Yes, it's like fard for everyone to protect our holy places. Muslims won't let any evil society, agenda or whatsoever to look at to destroy the holy places (Maa'z Allah).
But don't you think, Pakistan is already dealing with so much, odd of terrorism, corruption, and so many other problems to clean up in Pakistan. Op Zarb e Azb itself is very huge operation. Should not we clean it all from Pakistan before any big decision? Proxy wars are the best tactics to create chaos and to play with the sovereignty of a state. There are high chance for Russia, India and Iran to play this game in Pakistan. No?
While Pakistan's armed forces are busy on fighting with terrorists in Pakistan and in the Arab league coalition (if we join it).
You know better than me the depth of the matter and I can see that. But what about the sovereignty of Pakistan? The situation of Syria is not even hidden to you or me or the world. And this is the result of proxy war and the hatred between two countries. If we become pro to one and oppose the other, what is the guarantee we won't see the same evil in Pakistan. Isn't it risky? Very risky. If Pakistan was stronger and not depended on foreign aids and not fighting with terrorism, then there was no point to even think to join it. With my understanding.

And yes

PAKISTAN HUMESHA ZINDABAD. :)
Our contribution in this group should only include training we should not send our troops in a group whose clear objectives are still not defined.They want to impose their dominance in the Mideast by use of a powerful military force by changing regimes of countries who are hostile to them and their interests

Iran is our neighbor and already trying to play the games in Pakistan with using Shia community. Afghanistan is being misused and herself is not fan of Pakistan. India's hate for Pakistan is not hidden to anyone. I'm not opposing to join this coalition. All I'm saying is that, it's the time when Pakistan's diplomats have to play very smartly. Any step which can cause problems in Pakistan should be avoided. Completely avoided!
We have very good relations with KSA and it surely needs to remain healthy.
For some strange reason i dont recall shia groups beheading soldiers and killing school children the only involvement of Iran is turning blind eye to BLA movement

In Afghanistan the entire doctrine of NDS is to harm Pakistan they give shelter to Bla,brf,ttp and all groups working against interests of Pakistan

Our role should be only of a trainer i will not support any Pakistani boots on ground in Syria,Iraq or Yemen
 
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