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He got desperate to become a killer thats proves he was far far behind Gandhi in all traits.

A leader cant be a desparado and communal politician can be and thats what Godse proven.

Gandhi dint get desparate Jinnah dint get desparate to become killers. They were leaders and their proved it.



it is funny that if CBI is tool of Congress and IB/Police is tool of Modi and provided if Modi becomes a PM then all these three will be his tools so what will Modi supporters then say about CBI?


oh look CBI under modi declaring ishrat jahan as terrorist is ultimate truth.

First, I am personally acquainted with several ex-directors of the IB (as you, Director IB is the highest police job in India), including one present Governor of a state and one who was Governor of an extremely sensitive state, and was appointed to that position by Vajpayee. The IB was never communal, never. What ignorant people, like this rabble running around foaming at the mouth, do not realise is that every state has both an IB of its own as well as a CID. This state IB is a very powerful organisation; the DIG in charge (nowadays the IG, even, sometimes, a DG) reports to the Home Secretary, not to the DG and IGP who is his service head. Politicians with a guilty conscience, that is, all politicians try to stay on the good side of these officers, whether they are in the chair or out: they are thought to have dossiers on every politician, potentially lethal dossiers. Nehru's pet Director, Bhola Mallik, was significantly responsible for India's China debacle, and got it wrong on almost every count, in spite of having been a knowledgeable person with a good understanding of the country's external environment. The government's dissatisfaction with his performance led to the formation of R&W.

The low point of the IB was under Indira Gandhi, when she used them to keep her political opponents in check, but failed to listen when they told her that she would lose if she went to the country. After that, most governments, Congress or other, tended to use them only for security related work, with their political intelligence gradually devalued. While the R&W looks at intelligence gathering outside India, the IB looks at intelligence gathering inside. Both are without an apparatus for intervention; the IB never had one, the R&W apparatus was dismantled by Inder Gujral.

My point is that the IB looks only for information from security angles, and so could have never been working for Modi.
 
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This Paragraph is from the Same link you have provided........................Read the bolder part

However, according to activists, the issue is not whether Ishrat was a part of LeT or not. Former Uttar Pradesh Inspector General of Police, S.R. Darapuri, who is associated with the All India's People Front, said that the real issue was the circumstance in which she was killed: "On the basis of my experience I can say that the conduct of the Intelligence Bureau has been communal and biased against the minorities historically. The CBI investigation has proved that Ishrat was killed in a fake encounter at the behest of the BJP-led NDA government. The guilty IB officers led by Rajendra Kumar should be punished without any delay.

its just a personal opinion ,not a big deal ....
 
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Another point I want to make is about Nathuram Vinayak Godse (the man who shot Gandhi).......one can doubt his wisdom or his actions ....but never his patriotism.

The congress has never treated his memory with respect. He was a true patriot .........who's is sadly only remembered for is last act, not for the life he lead before it.

Below is the last words from Nathuram Godse .......

 
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It put a full stop to the crocodile tears being shed for you and the sops being handed out. Money and material and other misc largesse. Like a dowry to a daughter being married off and going elsewhere.

:no: in one breath you painted Gandhi as hyppcrit by saying he was shedding crocodile tears for us and at the same time you accused him of favouring us hence Godse and Co killed him.


Please make up your mind
 
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Another point I want to make is about Nathuram Vinayak Godse (the man who shot Gandhi).......one can doubt his wisdom or his actions ....but never his patriotism.

The congress has never treated his memory with respect. He was a true patriot .........who's is sadly only remembered for is last act, not for the life he lead before it.

Below is the last words from Nathuram Godse .......


Can you please post a transcript? Can't access youtube.

:no: in one breath you painted Gandhi as hyppcrit by saying he was shedding crocodile tears for us and at the same time you accused him of favouring us hence Godse and Co killed him.

Please make up your mind

Where is the dissonance? He was doing both. And the money and material given to you was used against us in Kashmir.
 
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an you please post a transcript? Can't access youtube.



Where is the dissonance? He was doing both. And the money and material given to you was used against us in Kashmir.

:)))) so think he was a hypocrit by doing both?

and what was our right must had been given to us. We got less
 
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After Godse shot Gandhi, instead of running away, he stood his ground and surrendered. He said, "No one should think that Gandhi was killed by a madman".

Given below is his speech given in the court during his last trial for the murder of Mahatma Gandhi. The Judge was astonished by his speech and commented that if India had followed the Jury system of giving judgments, Godse would have been adjudicated as "Not Guilty" by the Jury, cause after the speech, the whole audience was in tears.


"Born in a devotional Brahmin family, I instinctively came to revere Hindu religion, Hindu history and Hindu culture. I had, therefore, been intensely proud of Hinduism as a whole. As I grew up I developed a tendency to free thinking unfettered by any superstitious allegiance to any isms, political or religious. That is why I worked actively for the eradication of untouchability and the caste system based on birth alone. I openly joined anti-caste movements and maintained that all Hindus were of equal status as to rights, social and religious and should be considered high or low on merit alone and not through the accident of birth in a particular caste or profession. I used publicly to take part in organized anti-caste dinners in which thousands of Hindus, Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaisyas, Chamars and Bhangis participated. We broke the caste rules and dined in the company of each other.

I have read the speeches and writings of Dadabhai Nairoji, Vivekanand, Gokhale, Tilak, along with the books of ancient and modern history of India and some prominent countries like England, France, America and' Russia. Moreover I studied the tenets of Socialism and Marxism. But above all I studied very closely whatever Veer Savarkar and Gandhiji had written and spoken, as to my mind these two ideologies have contributed more to the moulding of the thought and action of the Indian people during the last thirty years or so, than any other single factor has done.

All this reading and thinking led me to believe it was my first duty to serve Hindudom and Hindus both as a patriot and as a world citizen. To secure the freedom and to safeguard the just interests of some thirty crores (300 million) of Hindus would automatically constitute the freedom and the well being of all India, one fifth of human race. This conviction led me naturally to devote myself to the Hindu Sanghtanist ideology and programme, which alone, I came to believe, could win and preserve the national independence of Hindustan, my Motherland, and enable her to render true service to humanity as well.

Since the year 1920, that is, after the demise of Lokamanya Tilak, Gandhiji's influence in the Congress first increased and then became supreme. His activities for public awakening were phenomenal in their intensity and were reinforced by the slogan of truth and non-violence, which he paraded ostentatiously before the country. No sensible or enlightened person could object to those slogans. In fact there is nothing new or original in them. They are implicit in every constitutional public movement. But it is nothing but a mere dream if you imagine that the bulk of mankind is, or can ever become, capable of scrupulous adherence to these lofty principles in its normal life from day to day. In fact, honour, duty and love of one's own kith and kin and country might often compel us to disregard non-violence and to use force. I could never conceive that an armed resistance to an aggression is unjust. I would consider it a religious and moral duty to resist and, if possible, to overpower such an enemy by use of force. [In the Ramayana] Rama killed Ravana in a tumultuous fight and relieved Sita. [In the Mahabharata], Krishna killed Kansa to end his wickedness; and Arjuna had to fight and slay quite a number of his friends and relations including the revered Bhishma because the latter was on the side of the aggressor. It is my firm belief that in dubbing Rama, Krishna and Arjuna as guilty of violence, the Mahatma betrayed a total ignorance of the springs of human action.

In more recent history, it was the heroic fight put up by Chhatrapati Shivaji that first checked and eventually destroyed the Muslim tyranny in India. It was absolutely essentially for Shivaji to overpower and kill an aggressive Afzal Khan, failing which he would have lost his own life. In condemning history's towering warriors like Shivaji, Rana Pratap and Guru Gobind Singh as misguided patriots, Gandhiji has merely exposed his self-conceit. He was, paradoxical, as it may appear, a violent pacifist who brought untold calamities on the country in the name of truth and non-violence, while Rana Pratap, Shivaji and the Guru will remain enshrined in the hearts of their countrymen forever for the freedom they brought to them.

The accumulating provocation of thirty-two years, culminating in his last pro-Muslim fast, at last goaded me to the conclusion that the existence of Gandhi should be brought to an end immediately. Gandhi had done very well in South Africa to uphold the rights and well being of the Indian community there. But when he finally returned to India he developed a subjective mentality under which he alone was to be the final judge of what was right or wrong. If the country wanted his leadership, it had to accept his infallibility; if it did not, he would stand aloof from the Congress and carry on his own way. Against such an attitude there can be no halfway house. Either Congress had to surrender its will to his and had to be content with playing second fiddle to all his eccentricity, whimsicality, metaphysics and primitive vision, or it had to carry on without him. He alone was the Judge of everyone and everything; he was the master brain guiding the civil disobedience movement; no other could know the technique of that movement. He alone knew when to begin and when to withdraw it. The movement might succeed or fail, it might bring untold disaster and political reverses but that could make no difference to the Mahatma's infallibility. 'A Satyagrahi can never fail' was his formula for declaring his own infallibility and nobody except himself knew what a Satyagrahi is.

Thus, the Mahatma became the judge and jury in his own cause. These childish insanities and obstinacies, coupled with a most severe austerity of life, ceaseless work and lofty character made Gandhi formidable and irresistible. Many people thought that his politics were irrational but they had either to withdraw from the Congress or place their intelligence at his feet to do with, as he liked. In a position of such absolute irresponsibility Gandhi was guilty of blunder after blunder, failure after failure, disaster after disaster.

Gandhi's pro-Muslim policy is blatantly in his perverse attitude on the question of the national language of India. It is quite obvious that Hindi has the most prior claim to be accepted as the premier language. In the beginning of his career in India, Gandhi gave a great impetus to Hindi but as he found that the Muslims did not like it, he became a champion of what is called Hindustani. Everybody in India knows that there is no language called Hindustani; it has no grammar; it has no vocabulary. It is a mere dialect; it is spoken, but not written. It is a bastard tongue and crossbreed between Hindi and Urdu, and not even the Mahatma's sophistry could make it popular. But in his desire to please the Muslims he insisted that Hindustani alone should be the national language of India. His blind followers, of course, supported him and the so-called hybrid language began to be used. The charm and purity of the Hindi language was to be prostituted to please the Muslims. All his experiments were at the expense of the Hindus.

From August 1946 onwards the private armies of the Muslim League began a massacre of the Hindus. The then Viceroy, Lord Wavell, though distressed at what was happening, would not use his powers under the Government of India Act of 1935 to prevent the rape, murder and arson. The Hindu blood began to flow from Bengal to Karachi with some retaliation by the Hindus. The Interim Government formed in September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members right from its inception, but the more they became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part, the greater was Gandhi's infatuation for them. Lord Wavell had to resign as he could not bring about a settlement and he was succeeded by Lord Mountbatten. King Log was followed by King Stork.

The Congress, which had boasted of its nationalism and socialism, secretly accepted Pakistan literally at the point of the bayonet and abjectly surrendered to Jinnah. India was vivisected and one-third of the Indian territory became foreign land to us from August 15, 1947. Lord Mountbatten came to be described in Congress circles as the greatest Viceroy and Governor-General this country ever had. The official date for handing over power was fixed for June 30, 1948, but Mountbatten with his ruthless surgery gave us a gift of vivisected India ten months in advance. This is what Gandhi had achieved after thirty years of undisputed dictatorship and this is what Congress party calls 'freedom' and 'peaceful transfer of power'. The Hindu-Muslim unity bubble was finally burst and a theocratic state was established with the consent of Nehru and his crowd and they have called 'freedom won by them with sacrifice' - whose sacrifice? When top leaders of Congress, with the consent of Gandhi, divided and tore the country - which we consider a deity of worship - my mind was filled with direful anger.

One of the conditions imposed by Gandhi for his breaking of the fast unto death related to the mosques in Delhi occupied by the Hindu refugees. But when Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan Government or the Muslims concerned. Gandhi was shrewd enough to know that while undertaking a fast unto death, had he imposed for its break some condition on the Muslims in Pakistan, there would have been found hardly any Muslims who could have shown some grief if the fast had ended in his death. It was for this reason that he purposely avoided imposing any condition on the Muslims. He was fully aware of from the experience that Jinnah was not at all perturbed or influenced by his fast and the Muslim League hardly attached any value to the inner voice of Gandhi.

Gandhi is being referred to as the Father of the Nation. But if that is so, he had failed his paternal duty inasmuch as he has acted very treacherously to the nation by his consenting to the partitioning of it. I stoutly maintain that Gandhi has failed in his duty. He has proved to be the Father of Pakistan. His inner-voice, his spiritual power and his doctrine of non-violence of which so much is made of, all crumbled before Jinnah's iron will and proved to be powerless.

Briefly speaking, I thought to myself and foresaw I shall be totally ruined, and the only thing I could expect from the people would be nothing but hatred and that I shall have lost all my honour, even more valuable than my life, if I were to kill Gandhiji. But at the same time I felt that the Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would surely be proved practical, able to retaliate, and would be powerful with armed forces. No doubt, my own future would be totally ruined, but the nation would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan. People may even call me and dub me as devoid of any sense or foolish, but the nation would be free to follow the course founded on the reason which I consider to be necessary for sound nation-building. After having fully considered the question, I took the final decision in the matter, but I did not speak about it to anyone whatsoever. I took courage in both my hands and I did fire the shots at Gandhiji on 30th January 1948, on the prayer-grounds of Birla House.

I do say that my shots were fired at the person whose policy and action had brought rack and ruin and destruction to millions of Hindus. There was no legal machinery by which such an offender could be brought to book and for this reason I fired those fatal shots.

I bear no ill will towards anyone individually but I do say that I had no respect for the present government owing to their policy, which was unfairly favourable towards the Muslims. But at the same time I could clearly see that the policy was entirely due to the presence of Gandhi. I have to say with great regret that Prime Minister Nehru quite forgets that his preachings and deeds are at times at variances with each other when he talks about India as a secular state in season and out of season, because it is significant to note that Nehru has played a leading role in the establishment of the theocratic state of Pakistan, and his job was made easier by Gandhi's persistent policy of appeasement towards the Muslims.

I now stand before the court to accept the full share of my responsibility for what I have done and the judge would, of course, pass against me such orders of sentence as may be considered proper. But I would like to add that I do not desire any mercy to be shown to me, nor do I wish that anyone else should beg for mercy on my behalf. My confidence about the moral side of my action has not been shaken even by the criticism levelled against it on all sides. I have no doubt that honest writers of history will weigh my act and find the true value thereof some day in future."
 
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:)))) so think he was a hypocrit by doing both?

and what was our right must had been given to us. We got less

You don't belong to Indian sub-continent altogether, you must have been driven back to your good old deserts.
 
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A riot is not just an event, it is a highly calculated political move. The moment you get 100s of people to openly participate in lawless murder, they will keep voting you in so that they can be protected from any legal repurcussions. That's what Modi was aiming at. This isn't new, it's been used again and again-notably by mao. During his years of terror, it wasn't just his soldiers doing the killing, the people were 'encouraged', usually out of fear to accuse others of being anti- revolutionary publicly and openly participate in the lynchings. When 100s or 1000s of people have done it, enough people need your protection. In A family of six where the eldest son has rioted and murdered, all six plus uncles and aunts will vote for modi. If 10 people in a street have participated, the whole locality will vote for him to keep his protection. Because the ramifications will not be limited to the 10. Their frends in the neighborhood, known associates, all will be interrogated if the opposition comes in.
Anyone who has coldly used this strategy is not worth trusting, always bad news.

Did you mean this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots

For all the pseudo sickulars the terms fascism, genocide, riots were coined after 2002.
 
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;) we made inroads so no escapism for your BS

So just feel happy and content for what you have got at a moment before nationalist hindu fever sweeps threw India after your regular pinnings in Kashmir.
 
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You said CBI working independently without any pressure... But what about note of supreme court??

That note shows that the CBI knows how to handle pressure and put it back on those who try it.

In the Coal Block allocation case, the Supreme Court asked the CBI for a report. The CBI prepared a report, and the Law Minister called for it and tried to change it. Then the CBI Director reported this to the Court. it was on the complaint of the CBI Director, complaining about a minister's behaviour that provoked the Court to ask for strict regulations to ensure non-interference of any kind with the CBI.

Now look how ironic the fascist stand is.

1) If the CBI had been a puppet organization, would a mere Director have had the nerve to complain against a Minister?
2). If the Supreme Court orders stricter regulation, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Why are Sangh Parivar sycophants complaining?
3). If the Congress complies with the Court directions, why is it considered a Congress plot to take away (from a hypothetical BJP government that may come into power someday, the power of the CBI? Do you want to see it as straight and clean, or as subject to political pressure? Do you support the Supreme Court's efforts?
4). In this case, it was a court that asked for help, it was not the central ministry. That court has been monitoring progress carefully. So now that everything is in favour of your desiderata, what is the probleml?
 
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That note shows that the CBI knows how to handle pressure and put it back on those who try it.

In the Coal Block allocation case, the Supreme Court asked the CBI for a report. The CBI prepared a report, and the Law Minister called for it and tried to change it. Then the CBI Director reported this to the Court. it was on the complaint of the CBI Director, complaining about a minister's behaviour that provoked the Court to ask for strict regulations to ensure non-interference of any kind with the CBI.

Now look how ironic the fascist stand is.

1) If the CBI had been a puppet organization, would a mere Director have had the nerve to complain against a Minister?
2). If the Supreme Court orders stricter regulation, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Why are Sangh Parivar sycophants complaining?
3). If the Congress complies with the Court directions, why is it considered a Congress plot to take away (from a hypothetical BJP government that may come into power someday, the power of the CBI? Do you want to see it as straight and clean, or as subject to political pressure? Do you support the Supreme Court's efforts?
4). In this case, it was a court that asked for help, it was not the central ministry. That court has been monitoring progress carefully. So now that everything is in favour of your desiderata, what is the probleml?

I dnt want to argue with people like who have blind faith in congress those f***** gandhi

I think this will help you
Law minister, PMO made changes in coal report, CBI tells SC
 
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