PLAAF to Fly 5th Generation Fighter

[feifanke]

there is no j13 or j14

5th is j2X

 

[aimarraul]

why are you guys obsess with the title,let's continue this thread when the real photo revealed

Question:

China working in Fighter aircrafts development since last 10 years but havent seen any proper Test report of any Aircraft. Just like F16, F18 etc. Proper information with test reports available on the net. Mostly all Chinz Aircrafts, Helicopters over all military hardware no proper test results and proper information on the internet. WHATS SO SPECIAL btw why China hide most of information related military hardware ?

U.S need to,they sell over tens of billions military products every year,china is just a rookie in this area。it also follow china's military philosophy，taiwan is still X- factor,the war between china and U.S can break out anytime,before we catch up,china have to keep everything secret ,less things your opponents know about you,bigger chance you survive.

 

[lockh33d]

there is no j13 or j14

5th is j2X

I'm very positive the 1st one out is the J-14. But then again, go with your instincts.

 

[S10]

Question:

China working in Fighter aircrafts development since last 10 years but havent seen any proper Test report of any Aircraft. Just like F16, F18 etc. Proper information with test reports available on the net. Mostly all Chinz Aircrafts, Helicopters over all military hardware no proper test results and proper information on the internet. WHATS SO SPECIAL btw why China hide most of information related military hardware ?

China is big on secrecy. That's all there's to it. By the time they officially acknowledged J-10 in 2007, it had already been in service for 3 years.

 

[lockh33d]

China is big on secrecy. That's all there's to it. By the time they officially acknowledged J-10 in 2007, it had already been in service for 3 years.

4 years buddy, 4 years

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why are you guys obsess with the title,let's continue this thread when the real photo revealed

You're going to come back here after 10 years?

 

[feifanke]

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I'm very positive the 1st one out is the J-14. But then again, go with your instincts.

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你的J13或J14的说法可能源于高山的CG，事实上那个J13就是大10的原形(相似性非常高,据&#35828。是成都自行开发的作为过渡的体制外产品，本来希望空军部分采购兼外削，也就是所谓的3.75代。现在已经不存在了。

现在的只有J2X，在项目竞标中，沈阳完全失败，5TH项目由成都开发，但由于种种原因，后半段机身由沈阳承担。

 

[S10]

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你的J13或J14的说法可能源于高山的CG，事实上那个J13就是大10的原形(相似性非常高,据&#35828。是成都自行开发的作为过渡的体制外产品，本来希望空军部分采购兼外削，也就是所谓的3.75代。现在已经不存在了。

现在的只有J2X，在项目竞标中，沈阳完全失败，5TH项目由成都开发，但由于种种原因，后半段机身由沈阳承担。

Nope, it's a collaborative effort between CAC and SAC, not so much a competitive relationship.

 

[lockh33d]

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你的J13或J14的说法可能源于高山的CG，事实上那个J13就是大10的原形(相似性非常高,据&#35828。是成都自行开发的作为过渡的体制外产品，本来希望空军部分采购兼外削，也就是所谓的3.75代。现在已经不存在了。

现在的只有J2X，在项目竞标中，沈阳完全失败，5TH项目由成都开发，但由于种种原因，后半段机身由沈阳承担。

That's due to popular belief, I haven't heard anything about the 1/2 1/2 Shenyang+Chengdu, but I'm very sure that the 100% Chengdu theory is wrong. In the case of the 3.75 Gen Chengdu project being scrapped, it lead to the current project by Shenyang being nicked "J-14" within the govt.

 

[unicorn148]

Pakistan should try to get this jet when this roll out fully functional whenever it happens.

for Pakistan to get this plane it will be very late because it will enter PLAAF by 2018-2019 and it will take another 5-6 or more years to make 200 planes for PLAAF then it will think of exporting to Pakistan that will be after 2025

 

[news]

Let's see it, the engine's list

 

[S10]

That's due to popular belief, I haven't heard anything about the 1/2 1/2 Shenyang+Chengdu, but I'm very sure that the 100% Chengdu theory is wrong. In the case of the 3.75 Gen Chengdu project being scrapped, it lead to the current project by Shenyang being nicked "J-14" within the govt.

Alot of people in China like to think there's this intense rivalry between Shenyang and Chengdu, like Lockheed and Boeing. Truth is, they both belong to 1st Aviation Corporation (same company). The supposed "rivalry" just doesn't stand up to reality, as SAC provided support for J-10 in the past. They cooperate with each other on large projects.

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Let's see it, the engine's list

Your list is missing WS-15, which is the engine that will be used.

 

[lockh33d]

Alot of people in China like to think there's this intense rivalry between Shenyang and Chengdu, like Lockheed and Boeing. Truth is, they both belong to 1st Aviation Corporation (same company). The supposed "rivalry" just doesn't stand up to reality, as SAC provided support for J-10 in the past. They cooperate with each other on large projects.

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Your list is missing WS-15, which is the engine that will be used.

Hey, is that engine operational at this current moment?

 

[PAFAce]

for pakisthan to get this plane it will be very late because it will enter PLAAF by 2018-2019 and it will take another 5-6 or more years to make 200 planes for PLAAF then it will think of exporting to pakisthan that will be after 2025

Firstly, wtf is pakisthan? I have seen you use that word previously, and I assumed it was a spelling mistake. Do you get some sick pleasure out of misspelling your rivals' names? How old are you? It's a shame none of your Indian brethren on this board bothered to correct you, even though many of them would jump down our throats if we misspelled India on purpose. Two faced trolls.

Secondly, is that your fantasy? One one thread you say "India will induct FGFA in 2017", here you say Pakistan won't be getting any FGFA until 2025. What, I beg of you, are you basing this expert analysis on? What gives you the authority to make such claims? A hunch?

 

[mean_bird]

Some of the rumor mills from chinese defense foras

A full scale model has been in 132 factory for serval years already, it was there several years earlier than the contacts were awarded to Chengud/CAC.

The producation of the first batch of J-XX for maiden flight has already begin since early 2008.

What you have heard is a 90%-ready real one for maiden flight, some expected the maiden flight will take place around April/2010,April 30/2010 is one so-called critical time for this project.

Whilst others suggest due to the delay of some parts made in SAC (what a joke, SAC basically has screwed everthing they have ever touched, I think the Chinese aero industry will be most benefitial if SAC can be bankrupted), the plane wont be ready until 2011.

But anyway, the most likeli time for the J-XX to get its maiden flight will be around 2010-2011,which is the time General Zhang has told during his later-banned and seriously downplayed TV interview in CCTV

These things are from the mouths of engineers working in CAC, if your Chinese reading is reasonable good, you can go to CJDBY.net, unlike some other internet military-fan chatrooms,this one is very popular because it get some professionals there, including at least two engineers working in CAC and one former engineer from SAC, and several current pilots from airforce, and several engineers works in other departments in China military industry complex.

Officially, General Zhang Zhaozhong openly claimed the maiden flight of J-XX will be around 2010 to 2011 in his TV interview, althrough laterly his TV show get downplayed seriously and the second part of his TV show which is supposed to discuss the details of this aircraft has been totally banned as well as his own personal blog.

Vice-commander of PLAAF also claim the 5th generation fighter will get maiden flight soon and will enter service by 2017-2019, so 2010-2011 is a quite reasonable time for maiden flight.

 

[mean_bird]

Apparently, those who have seen it have described it as "a frog", and this fan's render is very close to the real thing except that leading edge at the tail is larger in the real thing.




I quote further

Well, according to Song Wencong, the vice-project director of J-XX in CAC:

1, The fighter should get a relatively flat body for better supercruise performance, so it will be thinner than the manned single engine concept, maybe more like anjian.

2, Again, for better supercruise performance, they get no choice but use some delta wing or some wing like the ones installed on F-22.

3, As for canard layout, the front wing will most likely be larger than Anjian, and will be most likely installed at a higher angle upwards for better dog-fight performance.

4,Air intakers are different, the UAV/Concept fighter in Zhuhai airshow install their air intaker blow the body, whilst the one developed in CAC now will most likely arrange their air intaker the same way as F-22/35, etc