PLA would lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier

[Destro]

Gambit think US will destroy Russia without Russia retaliate with Nuclear weapon, when nations possess nuclear weapons very highly those nations possess a game changer weapon in their arsenal, conventional war against nuke arm nation will prelude to a nuclear war, Putin made a statement to the US and NATO that Russia still a nuclear arm state in case there is a war against Russia.

He thinks war is based on how his emotional Vietnamese mind thinks it will turn out.

That's the problem with ideologues. They can't see past their tinted glasses.

This is why the US lost in Korea and Vietnam at the hands of China. They go to war thinking they have it all figured out and they get smacked in the face and their pants pulled down and they run away.

Running away is specialty of the US military. Just ask the 8th Army in the Korean War.

In a war in Asia, the US military will get brutally and ruthlessly crushed by the PLA. Messing with Communists in any country in war is the worse thing you can do. The PLA generals are cold, brutal and utterly ruthless men.

The US military can day dream all they want, they will NEVER have the guts to fight the PLA again. Once bitten, twice shy.

 

[Oldman1]

Well, we would first start by shooting down every single US satellite in space. Destroy every single US base and fleet within 1000 km of Chinese border with air force and missiles. (More realistically, it the fleets will be destroyed, the base need to be destroyed by ground forces). Then we would launch "conventional missiles" at Washington, New York, LA, Chicago, etc. You have just declared war with China, so expect the standard response of countries at war.

Then expect the standard response to launch of DF 21 missiles by destroying every Chinese satellite, destruction of every military base in China and launching of invasion forces from Vietnam, Korea, Japan, as well as from Taiwan.

 

[sovcomflot]

He thinks war is based on how his emotional Vietnamese mind thinks it will turn out.

That's the problem with ideologues. They can't see past their tinted glasses.

This is why the US lost in Korea and Vietnam at the hands of China. They go to war thinking they have it all figured out and they get smacked in the face and their pants pulled down and they run away.

Running away is specialty of the US military. Just ask the 8th Army in the Korean War.

In a war in Asia, the US military will get brutally and ruthlessly crushed by the PLA. Messing with Communists in any country in war is the worse thing you can do. The PLA generals are cold, brutal and utterly ruthless men.

The US military can day dream all they want, they will NEVER have the guts to fight the PLA again. Once bitten, twice shy.

1918 western intervention in russia also ,west and usa ran away.

 

[Destro]

The PLA's prediction was never made public. These things usually do not. But it was informally circulated throughout the UN, especially among the second and third tier countries eager for any negative opinions on how the US will fare against Iraq (Desert Storm). The assessment was so flawed that it triggered the reforms of the PLA that we see today. You can find pictures thread of the PLA in this sub-forum and if you look carefully, you will see American signatures all over. Everything from helmet designs to how troopers hold their weapons to how sailors on the new Chinese aircraft carrier will look like. The PLA got American signatures all over it.

After Desert Storm where everyone was so off base on their individual assessments of US military capabilities and performance, whatever they think they know of how the US wage a war were tossed out the window, and supposedly the India Chief of Staff said this...

What We Should Have Learned in Desert Storm, But Didn't

Desert Storm and the later occupation of Iraq are two different military events. Despite what the ignorant and the gullible here in this forum would like to believe, they have nothing to do with each as far as the generals of the military world are concerned. For them, especially any potential adversaries and that includes Russia and China, on the conventional front, any military exists at the American's leisure. That does not mean we cannot be hurt. We can be and we will be hurt. But the other guy will be gone.

What happened in Yugoslavia was not an American campaign. It was NATO-led. If it was US, it would not have lasted as long as it was and not so many Muslims would have been slaughtered. There is no tie-in of Yugoslavia to American military capabilities.

The PLA is a modern construct and completely of foreign design. All the talk about Sun Tzu are meaningless as the US proved we the better student and applicator of Sun Tzu (and von Clausewitz) than China is. Objective analysts agreed that the brief war between China and Viet Nam was a disaster for the PLA in many ways: organization, philosophy, doctrines, training, experience, and hardware.

This opinion of a 40% casualty rate for the PLAN against the USN is generous, may be not extremely generous, but generous nevertheless. A figure of 50-60% is more realistic. Whatever is leftover of the PLAN will have sh1t stains in their drawers.

The US never won in 1991. It lost, that's why it can to go back in 2003. If it won, you don't go back for a second time. Because of the defeat in 1991, it caused a humiliation for the US military so in anger they went again in 2003.

So our prediction was correct in 1991, we told Iraq would resist and resist they did.

You know where Sun Tzu strategy worked? Korean War. You know the result? The US ran away

The only way the US can beat China in war is in 2 areas:

1) pipe dreams
2) computer simulations

 

[Destro]

1918 western intervention in russia also ,west and usa ran away.

Russia would F*** up the US military any day.

The Russians are tough. Never met one who wasn't!

 

[tranquilium]

Then expect the standard response to launch of DF 21 missiles by destroying every Chinese satellite, destruction of every military base in China and launching of invasion forces from Vietnam, Korea, Japan, as well as from Taiwan.

Eh, pretty much. Then nuclear missiles will be flying all around and human civilization is going to go back a few hundred years at minimum. That's why a full on conflict is not really very likely.

On a more serious note, local conflict IS possible. For example, Korean war is such an example where Chinese and UN forces fought each other in open conflict, but confined the conflict to particular area.

Vietnam war is another type of possible conflict where Chinese and USSR support Vietnam against US forces. In both scenarios, military assets like warships, planes and troops are considered legitimate targets, but attack on the other side's home soil is strict forbidden in fear of escalation.

In fact, Vietnam war is rather interesting because in order to avoid conflict with China, US never actually step into North Vietnam territory. Also, the planes from US and China fought quite a lot during Vietnam war, but US never launched any attack on Chinese home soil. The same thing happened between US and USSR air forces during Korean war.

Make no mistake, China and US have come head to head quite a few times post WWII and while China did not have the capacity to strike at US, US was not able to get any victory either near Chinese home turf.

Hence "launching a trident missile at China" really is a million dollar question, considering the fact that people actually running US military never considered it an option.

 

[Superboy]

Then expect the standard response to launch of DF 21 missiles by destroying every Chinese satellite, destruction of every military base in China and launching of invasion forces from Vietnam, Korea, Japan, as well as from Taiwan.

America failed in Iraq. Propped up a Shia power allied with Iran. What can possibly go wrong with invading China?

 

[Esc8781]

The US never won in 1991. It lost, that's why it can to go back in 2003. If it won, you don't go back for a second time. Because of the defeat in 1991, it caused a humiliation for the US military so in anger they went again in 2003.

So our prediction was correct in 1991, we told Iraq would resist and resist they did.

This is a huge . On the first day of the war, the Iraqi communication center located in Baghdad was destroyed by an F-117 Nighthawk. This alone crippled Iraq's ability to function properly. We also 'blocked' a heap of scud missile attacks. The next few days the USAF completely eradicated the Iraqi Air Force. I'm trying to simplify this, so your comprehensive-impaired brain can get get the idea.

:
2) computer simulations

You got that right.

 

[english_man]

This is a huge . On the first day of the war, the Iraqi communication center located in Baghdad was destroyed by an F-117 Nighthawk. This alone crippled Iraq's ability to function properly. We also 'blocked' a heap of scud missile attacks. The next few days the USAF completely eradicated the Iraqi Air Force. I'm trying to simplify this, so your comprehensive-impaired brain can get get the idea.


You got that right.

.............and you got that wrong.............typical American response, believing that the war in Iraq is a template for how a future conflict in another country would go.

Most of us could write pages of info, telling you why that's not the case.........but somehow i still think you wouldn't understand.

Anyway...all this is somewhat now going off topic!

 

[Superboy]

Americans may find that HQ-9 is a tad more difficult than Iraqi air defense in 1991 which shot down over 40 American and British planes. Coalition Fixed-Wing Attrition in Desert Storm

 

[Umair Nawaz]

WAR wont take place overnite and that too between China and the US....and who told you China does not have large and developed enemies? India and Japan are top two enemies of China both are having serious border conflicts with it...US may be more powerful but it is not china's direct enemy...it will fight with China only its allies are at risk!

ok kid now go back to sleep u have school tomorrow.

 

[Obambam]

America needs to give credit to its NATO allies. No NATO allies no Americans go to war.

 

[ARSENAL6]

.............and you got that wrong.............typical American response, believing that the war in Iraq is a template for how a future conflict in another country would go.

Most of us could write pages of info, telling you why thats the case.........but somehow i still think you wouldn't understand.

Anyway...all this is somewhat now going off topic!

Tell me about it Its typical cry baby respond from the idiot republicans who show their fear in their post by insulting others. They are so feared of other peoples technologies (even a backward nation like Somalia) people like Esc8781 call other people
" comprehensive-impaired brain " when acting as such.

 

[Esc8781]

.............and you got that wrong.............typical American response, believing that the war in Iraq is a template for how a future conflict in another country would go.

Most of us could write pages of info, telling you why thats the case.........but somehow i still think you wouldnt understand.

Then what the hell is your buddy doing? He believed the Korean war was a 'template' for future conflicts also. Also, I wasn't talking about future 'templates', I was just stating the reasons why we didn't lose. So much for your "typical American response".

 

[Esc8781]

Tell me about it Its typical cry baby respond from the idiot republicans who show their fear in their post by insulting others. They are so feared of other peoples technologies (even a backward nation like Somalia) people like Esc8781 call other people
" comprehensive-impaired brain " when acting as such.

Uh huh, when someone objects your technically incorrect statements, they will be regarded as "Zionists".