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'A Russian analysts' how well authentic !! maybe Indians should not only buying all sorts of weapons from Russia, and also now the 'Russian Analysts'! based on which your grand strategies in dealing with China should be drawn upon``

do I have to complain to the Russians ? I guess not, its their right to be hypothetical about anything. but is it worth to discuss? lol, maybe to cheerleading Indians, you may fetch some org@m from it for your dry life``:D

Whatever , Now get back to topic and discuss the news .
 
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Lol of course you don't call Russia mafia in Russia, that is the same as nobody will call Chinese food in China, they will simply called food...

That was the same people, you just call them something else

No. In the USSR was no ethnic gangs and criminal organizations , as in the United States are. There were thieves, but they do not have any influence on the life of the state - they were organized only within the prison , but not outside. They almoust did not have weapons. There was no global drugs market in Soviet Union, trafficking humans ( except for some Asian republics , where it is assumed selling women into marriage ) , kidnapping and other types of crime that are only possible with fusion of criminality and the state apparatus.
All this appears under Gorbachev while Judas was destroying the state .
And that Russian mafia , which now roams the streets of New York - they were driven out of the country under Putin.
 
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How so? The Mahdi Army beat the US army in Iraq.
Yeah...Sure it did. :lol:

China can do space docking, something America only managed to accomplish by 1966.
This make no sense. What the hell does 'only managed' mean? Was China in space back in 1966?

This alone proves a DF-21D can hit an aircraft carrier within an accuracy of 1 centimeter.
No, it does not. Space docking takes time, much much longer than the time it takes for the descent of a ballistic warhead from suborbital, or lower, altitude.

Space rendezvous - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop making sh1t up. :lol:

Any real hard analysis behind this or just an opinion?
Much more credible than the tripe you spews in sucking up to the Chinese.
 
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Yeah, some Navy has 11 nuclear powered carriers .

Yet , it only takes at most 5 nuclear missile to sink all 11 carriers.
Right...So you are assuming that they would be conveniently grouped together? :lol:

This confirms that just like most here, you have never served in the military and have any clue on how forces are arrayed. So much for your 'analysis' and am being generous with the word.
 
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PLA could lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier

fixed the title :bounce:

Never mess with China. China is one of those old school civs up there with Babylon, Egypt, Greece.
The Chinese navy WILL lose 50-60% of its fleet in TRYING to sink a single US aircraft carrier.

How old a country is irrelevant. Available forces are.

Since this inevitably dragged in the DF-21D...Did anyone here done any research on the historical successes of anti-ship missiles? Looks like a big NOT, as usual.

What constitutes a 'modern' warship? A generous context would have the range starting from post WW II to present. A more restrictive context would start from post Korean War. But no matter the starting point, anti-ship missiles are nothing new...

Anti-ship missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The first anti-ship missiles, which were developed and built by Nazi Germany, used radio command guidance, these saw some success in the Mediterranean Theater in 1943 - 44, sinking or heavily damaging at least 31 ships with the Henschel Hs 293 and more than seven with the Fritz X, such as the Italian battleship Roma or the cruiser USS Savannah. A variant of the HS 293 had a TV transmitter on board. The bomber carrying it could then fly outside the range of naval AA guns and use TV guidance to lead the missile to its target by radio control.
That is correct -- Nazi Germany.

But if we move forward to post WW II anti-ship missiles, the historical evidence and therefore combat record for the weapon against modern warships is poor -- three ships with only one sunk. The one that sunk was the Iranian frigate Sahand...

Iranian frigate Sahand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Iranian Navy ship was sunk in Operation Praying Mantis on 18 April 1988. Located by two American A-6E Intruders of Attack Squadron 95 steaming roughly ten miles southwest of Larak Island, she was hit by two Harpoon missiles and two AGM-123 Skipper II laser-guided bombs. A pair of Rockeye cluster bombs from the aircraft and a single Harpoon from the USS Joseph Strauss (DDG-16) finished off the ship. Left heavily aflame, dead in the water and listing to port, the Sahand burned for several hours before fire reached her ammunition magazines and detonated, sinking the ship in over 200 meters (656 feet) of water southwest of Larak Island.
Read how much munitions it took, including anti-ship missiles, the Harpoon, to sink this frigate, very much a modern warship.

The HMS Sheffield, another modern warship, was struck by an Exocet, an anti-ship missile, and did not sink from that hit. The ship finally sunk days later from attempted salvage operations.

The USS Stark, another modern warship, was also struck by an Exocet and also did not sink. The Stark made port on her own power.

Not one of these modern warships had any defense methods developed specifically against anti-ship weapons. But look at the American warships today, specifically the capital ones. Supersonic speed does not guarantee success and only gullible fools believe that such a mythical guarantee exists. The Chinese made Silkworm failed against countermeasures in Desert Storm and US countermeasures technologies and tactics at employing them have grown since then. Any attacker coming at Mach will have even less time and therefore decreased odds at dealing with these new sophisticated countermeasures.

That does not mean anti-ship missiles of any method are no good. They do have their uses and they are threats. The US have never abandoned them. Pauses in development, may be, but never fully abandoned. What this mean is that ASM simply cannot be fired and forget about it. They must be used in concert with other methods of attacks, not necessarily to sink a ship but at least to severely degrade the ship's ability to prosecute a war.

But here is the uncomfortable truth known by weapons makers worldwide: If the US is interested in a weapon concept and began development, odds are very good that the Americans will outpace competitors in terms of sophistication and lethality. Countermeasures will not be far behind.

The PLAN will lose and will lose badly with no guarantees that a single US aircraft carrier will go down.
 
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Much more credible than the tripe you spews in sucking up to the Chinese.

I suppose you consider "tripe" such as my prediction that China will match US in military technology by 2030 then?

Well, China's HQ-9 has just beaten Patriot/Aster and S-300 to win the Turkish SAM contract.:lol:
 
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I suppose you consider "tripe" such as my prediction that China will match US in military technology by 2030 then?
Yes.

Well, China's HQ-9 has just beaten Patriot/Aster and S-300 to win the Turkish SAM contract.:lol:
So what? How does this 'proved' the Chinese system is better? Do much critical thinking?
 
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So what? How does this 'proved' the Chinese system is better? Do much critical thinking?

Did I say that the Chinese system is "better"?

All it proves, that China in SAM technology is comparable to the US/EU and Russia.

So many more ***** will be hurt as the Chinese start beating the US/EU and Russia in other arms contracts this decade and next.:lol:

Your opinions and predictions will remain just that, while I have been vindicated by the Chinese SAM win in Turkey.
 
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The Chinese navy WILL lose 50-60% of its fleet in TRYING to sink a single US aircraft carrier.

How old a country is irrelevant. Available forces are.

Since this inevitably dragged in the DF-21D...Did anyone here done any research on the historical successes of anti-ship missiles? Looks like a big NOT, as usual.

What constitutes a 'modern' warship? A generous context would have the range starting from post WW II to present. A more restrictive context would start from post Korean War. But no matter the starting point, anti-ship missiles are nothing new...

Anti-ship missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is correct -- Nazi Germany.

But if we move forward to post WW II anti-ship missiles, the historical evidence and therefore combat record for the weapon against modern warships is poor -- three ships with only one sunk. The one that sunk was the Iranian frigate Sahand...

Iranian frigate Sahand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read how much munitions it took, including anti-ship missiles, the Harpoon, to sink this frigate, very much a modern warship.

The HMS Sheffield, another modern warship, was struck by an Exocet, an anti-ship missile, and did not sink from that hit. The ship finally sunk days later from attempted salvage operations.

The USS Stark, another modern warship, was also struck by an Exocet and also did not sink. The Stark made port on her own power.

Not one of these modern warships had any defense methods developed specifically against anti-ship weapons. But look at the American warships today, specifically the capital ones. Supersonic speed does not guarantee success and only gullible fools believe that such a mythical guarantee exists. The Chinese made Silkworm failed against countermeasures in Desert Storm and US countermeasures technologies and tactics at employing them have grown since then. Any attacker coming at Mach will have even less time and therefore decreased odds at dealing with these new sophisticated countermeasures.

That does not mean anti-ship missiles of any method are no good. They do have their uses and they are threats. The US have never abandoned them. Pauses in development, may be, but never fully abandoned. What this mean is that ASM simply cannot be fired and forget about it. They must be used in concert with other methods of attacks, not necessarily to sink a ship but at least to severely degrade the ship's ability to prosecute a war.

But here is the uncomfortable truth known by weapons makers worldwide: If the US is interested in a weapon concept and began development, odds are very good that the Americans will outpace competitors in terms of sophistication and lethality. Countermeasures will not be far behind.

The PLAN will lose and will lose badly with no guarantees that a single US aircraft carrier will go down.

Just like how the US GUARANTEED victory in the Korean War? :lol:

The US military couldn't beat the PLA if we were armed with chopsticks. We already beat the US with sticks and stones in Korea.
The only way the US military has defeated China is in their pipe dreams.

The fact is the US military has lost both times to the PLA when we were MUCH weaker and the US military still couldn't beat the PLA. The technological and budget gap is rapidly closing with each passing year and the US chances of defeating the PLA is going up in smoke.

Btw, you really need to get a life dude. Go outside your basement and get some fresh air. Go to a bar, talk to some ladies, enjoy your life. Don't waste your life on a defence forum writing pages and pages of nonsense that won't bring your life any benefit.
 
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I suppose you consider "tripe" such as my prediction that China will match US in military technology by 2030 then?

Well, China's HQ-9 has just beaten Patriot/Aster and S-300 to win the Turkish SAM contract.:lol:

Always keep in mind that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.

---unknown

Did I say that the Chinese system is "better"?

All it proves, that China in SAM technology is comparable to the US/EU and Russia.

So many more ***** will be hurt as the Chinese start beating the US/EU and Russia in other arms contracts this decade and next.:lol:

Your opinions and predictions will remain just that, while I have been vindicated by the Chinese SAM win in Turkey.

Even Pakistan using F 16 as well as Chinese JF 17 is that make sense that Chinese Fighters are comparable with Americans

Did I say that the Chinese system is "better"?

All it proves, that China in SAM technology is comparable to the US/EU and Russia.

So many more ***** will be hurt as the Chinese start beating the US/EU and Russia in other arms contracts this decade and next.:lol:

Your opinions and predictions will remain just that, while I have been vindicated by the Chinese SAM win in Turkey.

Even Pakistan using F 16 as well as Chinese JF 17 is that make sense that Chinese Fighters are comparable with Americans
 
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Lol, you think you can do better, again, nobody is stopping you for trying, you can try and sink our carrier, see how far China can go lol

Otherwise, if this is just talk, then you can dress it up however you want, but since you are not going to do it, why bother?

Talk is easy, talk is cheap, you can say you can sink our whole fleet with your booger, there are no way to proof, or disproof unless you could put your talk into action. Until that day come and you indeed try to pick up a gun and stand a post, then we are on the same level, otherwise, ADIOS

you are just incurable beyond the level of absurdity

you said anyone who take on usa "will be crushed"

I have given my rebuttal saying many of the the former and present great people of the world have taken on the warmonger militarily or on civil terms and they are living alive and well.

Your argument is INDEED CRUSHED, drama queen!
 
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Lol of course you don't call Russia mafia in Russia, that is the same as nobody will call Chinese food in China, they will simply called food...

That was the same people, you just call them something else

please drop your China flag. You are making yourself the biggest joke

In China we dont call all food simply as food

We distinguish food by taste, the origin, the method of cooking them and class

Like Xichuan hotpot, Beijing roast duck, Lanzhou (pulling) noodles (lamian), Taiwan pineapple cakes, Guangdong dianxin (dimsum), Shanghai xiaolong buns, Tianjin goubuli meat buns ...showing thousands of multifarious, vibrant delicious nutritious innovative food preparations and a very rich culture
 
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Did I say that the Chinese system is "better"?

All it proves, that China in SAM technology is comparable to the US/EU and Russia.

So many more ***** will be hurt as the Chinese start beating the US/EU and Russia in other arms contracts this decade and next.:lol:

Your opinions and predictions will remain just that, while I have been vindicated by the Chinese SAM win in Turkey.

While Chinese SAM systems are indeed comparable to western SAM systems, it should be noted that those western systems are still vastly superior. For example, maritime SAM systems like the European PAAMS or the American AEGIS are still years ahead of anything China has. Also, Russian SAM systems like the S-400 are still years ahead of Chinese systems.

#1 Europe/USA/Russia
#2 Israel
#3 China
 
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US navy losses in WW2. List of United States Navy losses in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US air force, navy, marine corps aircraft losses in Vietnam war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

China is a much bigger country compared to Japan and Vietnam. You do the math. :coffee:

While Chinese SAM systems are indeed comparable to western SAM systems, it should be noted that those western systems are still vastly superior. For example, maritime SAM systems like the European PAAMS or the American AEGIS are still years ahead of anything China has. Also, Russian SAM systems like the S-400 are still years ahead of Chinese systems.

#1 Europe/USA/Russia
#2 Israel
#3 China

Not necessarily. Aegis is a really old system that uses PESA radars. Type 052D already uses the latest AESA radars.
 
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