PLA would lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier

[Night_Raven]

A Russian think tank proposes a war scenario outcome between USN and PLAN ...and we have PDF members going apesh!t bringing in India , Pakistan into it as well !

@ Topic : There is not even a remote possibility of a faceoff b/w USN and PLAN.

 

[jhungary]

Sorry.........but ive got to join in here!

No one outside Chinese military circles actually knows the capabilities of the DF-21, the so called carrier killer.

Mind you, the thought that China has such a weapon, and has this capability, so far has been enough to rattle the US military!

I talked to the sailor on the USS Chosin, the ticonderoga cruiser last week when they port in Australia
The very thought of DF-21 post no thread on the USN carrier and US navy what so ever.

Even if DF-21 cameo what they said they can, US carrier can operate outside those range of the to missile.

Intact, modern aviation and in flight refueling allow carrier to operate at an unlimited range, that is the key.

 

[帅的一匹]

What about CJ10 cruise missle with 2000 KM range.

 

[kurup]

OP is an idiot, China could essily take out USA carrier within 1200 KM range from coastal line. Why send our Navy to face US fleet alone?

What do you mean by OP ??

 

[帅的一匹]

Those people who agree with the title of this thread.

 

[kurup]

Those people who agree with the title of this thread.

OK ......

 

[feilong]

DF 21 does not have enough accuracy to attack even land Target. It is very easy for US to counter DF21.


Breaking China's DF-21D missile kill chain: US expert - China.org.cn

And what American waiting for? Why not come and attack India as your BS stated DF21 is not enough accuracy?

 

[kurup]

And what American, why not come and attack India as your BS stated DF21 is not enough accuracy?

Accuracy of the missile can only be verified by an open water test . Wait for it .

 

[jhungary]

I really don't know since when did people came from china is so thick? Maybe only the stupid one are the only one have time to dick around in a forum like this? I don't know...

In order for DF-21 or ANYTHING to be active, the carrier have to be in range to shoot them down

With fighter escort, US Navy and airforce can forward deploy their aerial tanker anywhere
With the tanker refuelling the plane, the fighter can literally launch from unlimited distant away, litererally the carrier can launch the fighter from Washington naval shipyard and refuel all the way and reach the DF-21 or whatever threaten the carrier to kill it.

Unless anyone can think of anything to break the co-dependent chain between fighter and air tanker, there are no threat or what so ever to any anti ship missile or DF-whatever

Gosh....don't tell me you don't understand a concept as simple as that?

 

[Pulsar]

china will finish india instantly before fight usa. indians has no chance to worry about tibet or taiwan

Why are immature kids allowed to post on serious topics? They make a mockery of a perfectly good thread! And there are dozens out here North of the South China Sea that fall into this category!

And how and why does India figure here? Looks like a majority of these fellows have some sort of an India-centric psychological problem!

 

[gambit]

No one outside Chinese military circles actually knows the capabilities of the DF-21, the so called carrier killer.

Capabilities are for a different discussion. But the inescapable discussion incurs established procedures and common sense.

I have posed these questions before and to date, not one Chinese member here have managed to answered adequately.

The US is testing our long range anti-ship missile (LRASM). One test in the testing regime involved setting a ship on open water with metal cargo containers to simulate the outline of a common warship.

- Why an open water test?

- Why metal containers?

- What does the US stands to gain with such rigorous testing?

We already know that water produces different sensory responses than land, and on land, flora filled terrain produces different responses than desert type. Not only that, water can rapidly changes its state...

Douglas Sea Scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Douglas Sea Scale is a scale which measures the height of the waves and also measures the swell of the sea. The scale is very simple to follow and is expressed in one of 10 degrees.

The DF-21D allegedly uses radar to track a target and to make descent path change.

So if the US test our missiles in open water, and the DF-21D have yet to have an open water test, what make anyone think the DF-21D is any credible threat when we already have countermeasures on the table? The DF-21D have not had an open water test and not against varying sea states, two natural countermeasures that plagued radar since the invention of the radar. What about man-made countermeasures?

Once again, 'Chinese physics' comes to the rescue...

Mind you, the thought that China has such a weapon, and has this capability, so far has been enough to rattle the US military!

We are not 'rattled'. Concerned? Yes, as all things should be. But rattled? Hardly.

 

[My-Analogous]

To me its sound like bullshit. Report try to say that US one ship is equal to 40% of China strength, but my question is that how these top rank minded people calculate that? what is the parameters ? How they know these know how of Chinese technology?

 

[UKBengali]

I really don't know since when did people came from china is so thick? Maybe only the stupid one are the only one have time to dick around in a forum like this? I don't know...

In order for DF-21 or ANYTHING to be active, the carrier have to be in range to shoot them down

With fighter escort, US Navy and airforce can forward deploy their aerial tanker anywhere
With the tanker refuelling the plane, the fighter can literally launch from unlimited distant away, litererally the carrier can launch the fighter from Washington naval shipyard and refuel all the way and reach the DF-21 or whatever threaten the carrier to kill it.

Unless anyone can think of anything to break the co-dependent chain between fighter and air tanker, there are no threat or what so ever to any anti ship missile or DF-whatever

Gosh....don't tell me you don't understand a concept as simple as that?

Please take a look at yourself before calling others thick

Just the fact that the carrier will be parked so much further out will mean that the amount of sorties that it can make against the target area will drastically reduce, unless you think that pilots do not get tired or need to go to the toilet ever.

Also this refuelling plane will be a target magnet to be shot down. A massive number of fighters will need to be deployed just to protect it and so reducing the amount of planes available to act against the enemy.

if the DF-21D reduces the amount of US aircraft available to fight against China, then it has done it's job.

 

[aakash_2410]

You and yours, the indian upper casts are a virus to humanity, india is holding back the human race.

Okay mujahiddin calm down now

 

[jhungary]

Please take a look at yourself before calling others thick

Just the fact that the carrier will be parked so much further out will mean that the amount of sorties that it can make against the target area will drastically reduce, unless you think that pilots do not get tired or need to go to the toilet ever.

Also this refuelling plane will be a target magnet to be shot down. A massive number of fighters will need to be deployed just to protect it and so reducing the amount of planes available to act against the enemy.

if the DF-21D reduces the amount of US aircraft available to fight against China, then it has done it's job.

I just want to ask you one question.

Are you REALLY this stupid, just seeing something I said does not make sense and start attacking, or you are just pretending to be stupid and seek attention?

When I said our carrier can launch strike from Washington naval yard to strike china which set about 11-12 thousand km away, I was making a point that our carrier can launch a sortie anywhere outside the effective range of counter weapon, in this case DF-21

Please do tell me, if the effective range of DF-21 is 10,000 km or merely 2700 km?

For that, we can simply just sit 3000 km away with 1 tanker, then we can do the job. Then why we need to sit 10,000 kilometre away?

If china did have a tactical weapon that can strike precisely over a single target over 10,000 km, that make our carrier sit inside our dock in mainland, then we should decommission out whole military and surrender as China have achieve something no one can, that precise global strike capability, by then China won't need to do anything but sending missile to out tactical important target, anytime they want, anywhere they want. You do know what is the different between tactical and stragetical target right?
This is the capacity that even us, can only dream of.

To your tanker attack question, how do you know where our tanker will be? Ground radar is out of range if the tanker stayed outside the 1000 km from shore. If your answer is using either ship borne or air borne radar, then would the agressive force not need need to devote air set asset to protect those AWAC or ship? So the threat is cancelling out each other. You will be risk losing your AWAC and we will be risking a merely tanker, can you guess which has more? The agressor have more AWEC and sea picket destroyer? Or we have more KC10 and KC-135?

Or do we suppose to announce to the aggressor where our combat asset is at?

And finally to the last stupid question about long range raid and crew management. At a good day, a carrier can do 2 sortie of F-18
Then they can do no more, for a round trip of 6000 km, with 1 or possible 2 refuelling, I would say the AIS strike will take no longer than 4 hours each. That make the quota of 2 sortie a day per plane

And we did actually send bomber and fighter for long range run frequently, virtually all B-1 and B-2 mission in the Middle East were originated from mainland US, naming Nevada. And the famous operation black buck was to use multiple air refuelling to contact a deep strike by RAF Vulcan to strike from Ascension Island in mid Atlantic to falkland island in south Atlantic, which is 8000 km by the way.

So is a long range strike possible, damn right it does

There is something, 2 inches above and behind your nose, called your brain, USE IT, once in a whole, it wouldn't kill you