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Sewra was terrified of being caught by Turkish soldiers as she, her children and grandchildren inched their way through Iraq's mountainous border region, fleeing an Islamist militant onslaught by cover of darkness.


The 56-year-old and her family, among tens of thousands of Yazidis uprooted by self-proclaimed Islamic State militants, paid $500 to an Iraqi man with relatives in Turkey who said he could get them over the border to safety without passports or visas.

"If they'd caught us and tried to send us back to Iraq, I would have killed myself," Sewra said, sheltering from the sun under a makeshift tent in a refugee camp in the Turkish town of Silopi, a stone's throw from the border.

"Iraq is finished for us, there's no going back."

Yazidis like Sewra, followers of an ancient religion derived from Zoroastrianism, fled their homeland in the Sinjar mountains as Sunni militants, who see them as devil worshippers, seized towns and carried out mass killings this month.

Thousands have flooded the Iraqi border towns of Zakho and Duhok, living in school gardens, church backyards, deserted buildings and half-finished construction sites with little food and water in temperatures reaching 50 degrees Celsius (over 120 Fahrenheit).

Local municipality workers running the camp in Silopi just over the Turkish border say 1,500 people are sheltering there alone. A new facility with a capacity of 5,000 is being built nearby to cope with the continuing influx.

At least 100 people are arriving from Iraq each day, the camp workers say, many of them, like Sewra, smuggled across the border by locals, sometimes paying up to $1,000 per family.

"This may look like business to you but it's actually charitable work," said a Kurdish van driver who gave his name as Cudi and said he regularly brought Yazidis from Iraq.

"They have no visa, no passport. They live in awful conditions in Iraq. Should I just ignore them," he said, declining to give his full name because what he is doing is illegal.

Turkey, already sheltering more than a million refugees from the war in neighbouring Syria, has reiterated that it will maintain an 'open door policy' to those fleeing violence, although customs officials at the main Habur border crossing with Iraq are only allowing in those with passports.

The Yazidis are part of Iraq's Kurdish minority and some have crossed into Turkey under the protection of the terrorist Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which fought a three-decade war against the Turkish state and is considered a terrorist group by Ankara, the United States and European Union.

PKK militants have rushed to the assistance of Kurdish peshmerga forces battling the advance of ISIL militants, playing a decisive role in blunting their sweep through Iraq.

"Thank God for the PKK," said Mirza, 22, a Yazidi refugee who arrived in Turkey under PKK protection and who is now sheltering at the Silopi camp, run by local authorities from the pro-Kurdish People's Democratic Party (HDP).

"They brought us from over the border, they saved us from Daash," he said, using the Arabic term for the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), Islamic State's previous name.

When the peshmerga withdrew, overwhelmed, and left Yazidi towns defenceless against the advancing ISIL fighters, it was PKK and its armed sister group - People's Defence Units (YPG) - which came to the rescue, refugees said.

"I would not have been here if it wasn't for the PKK," said Fouaz, 22, a Yazidi refugee sat in a dusty tent in Zakho, on the Iraqi side of the border.

"It's not only me, dozens and even hundreds of us would not be alive if they hadn't saved us," he said, describing how he hid under dead bodies for more than an hour during an ISIL attack, before YPG and PKK militants arrived.

Fouaz lost all of his direct family in the violence. Sleeping and eating on a worn-out carpet in a camp run by a Kurdish businessman, Fouaz hopes to get to Turkey, where he has heard conditions for refugees are far better.

He is not wrong.

The camp in Silopi has regular food and water supplies and is partly made up of two-storey concrete buildings being used as shelters for the refugees against the blistering summer heat.

The camp is officially run by the HDP municipality but PKK members are responsible for security, as well as the provision of basic utilities like water, local residents say. Officials at the camp did not want to be interviewed.

The local authorities are building another camp nearby with the capacity to accommodate 5,000 people, which they expect to be ready in the next few days.

"We will be bringing the thousands of people in Uludere to here," Seyda Urper, an engineer for the municipality, said at the site, referring to a predominantly Kurdish border town through which many Yazidis have crossed.

About 120 km (75 miles) to the west, in the predominantly Christian town of Midyat, already home to a wave of Syrian refugees, Turkey's disaster management agency AFAD is sheltering around 1,500 Yadizis in one of its camps.

The agency is also working across the border in northern Iraq to set up two separate camps for Yazidis and Turkmens, Iraq's third largest ethnic group after Arabs and Kurds, who have close cultural and linguistic links with Turkey.


source: PKK responsible for security of Yazidis in Turkey camps
 
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Well mate we cant send them back to their death can we?

If we are not going to send them back....then state should build camps and make them stay there..not PKK. Also why they don't stay in Erbil or any other city in KRG ???

They want to stay in Turkey, so they cross the border just like that..? Makes no sense. I mean we can even set up a camp in the border and let them stay in the KRG side of the border... there are many options. But it seems like state is non-present at that region.
 
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If we are not going to send them back....then state should build camps and make them stay there..not PKK. Also why they don't stay in Erbil or any other city in KRG ???

They want to stay in Turkey, so they cross the border just like that..? Makes no sense. I mean we can even set up a camp in the border and let them stay in the KRG side of the border... there are many options. But it seems like state is non-present at that region.
Mate we have over a million Syrian refugees if thats your concern, a couple hundred yazidis make no difference, and also the title is misleading, its not pkk thats responsible for security, they just escorted them, i mean how crazy must the world be if we leave pkk security issues in our own soil. :cheesy:
 
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Mate we have over a million Syrian refugees if thats your concern, a couple hundred yazidis make no difference, and also the title is misleading, its not pkk thats responsible for security, they just escorted them, i mean how crazy must the world be if we leave pkk security issues in our own soil. :cheesy:

Hmm... what really disturbing me is... it is okay for Syrians, it is okay for Yezidis....but a big no for Ahıskan Turks....

Also, you know... situation is. Yezidis, travel with PKK in KRG, illegally cross the border, and stay in camps build by municipality (BDP...you know whose extension they are). So if you look at the situation, state is not involved in any level of it.

Now think, how easy for PKK members to cross the border and launch an attack on our posts... i think this is very disturbing.
 
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Now think, how easy for PKK members to cross the border and launch an attack on our posts... i think this is very disturbing.
Well it was the same all the decades we are fighting them, our border to Iraq is simply too hard to be monitored 100%, i hope they will build more Kalekols in case the peace talks fail.
 
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PKK has began itself clarification progress in eyes of world, i dont find those interviews to be honest and sincere, probably well edited by PKK sympatizans or fakely reflected as indicating
" there is no state in south east there is PKK" ,also western media shows to support this statement to place this idea in public's mind.
Guys, they are playing subliminal now , i think state will build a camp sooner in there, also PKK shows it like Turkish Army doesnt have control of border, but its known well they observes whole border ,they can see how they travel with yazidis into turkey but just doesnt take action against it, due to peace progress and humanity .

PKK seems to having major issues within itself ,and their extensions in turkey ,so they try these ways to use religion at 1st , then humanity ,then this tragedicity dramatic way to attract attention .

Everyone knows , even KRG says it out, PKK isnt doing anything against ISIS or in help of yazidis in there ,or they dont do it in behalf of humanity ,but they do all in their profits .

There is a term used for passaportless people, " vatansiz " and they can be accepted with a temporary passaport belongs to " vatansiz" people . I guess our state is working on such a project ( i hope so )

and yeah source is zaman , pro- cemaat source ,which intends to damage profile of state institutes including TAF in recent months, they were doing this toward AKP ,now headed toward whole state . They use words by picky ,
" security provided by PKK , passing border with protection under PKK, PKK helps in iraq against ISIS , army doesnt do anything, state doesnt exist in there " those words are intentionally used to reflect something in mind of people. I dont know why cemaat is doing that,their problem with AKP, not state, not turkish government , not turkish republic.
 
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Hmm... what really disturbing me is... it is okay for Syrians, it is okay for Yezidis....but a big no for Ahıskan Turks....

Also, you know... situation is. Yezidis, travel with PKK in KRG, illegally cross the border, and stay in camps build by municipality (BDP...you know whose extension they are). So if you look at the situation, state is not involved in any level of it.

Now think, how easy for PKK members to cross the border and launch an attack on our posts... i think this is very disturbing.
I dont thinks its that easy for launch and attack bro ;
i am pretty sure our army watching border well with UAVs and observing those people passing with terrorits, they dont block terrorists because there is no threat seen ,with peace progess issues combined with humanity issues , if they blocked them then you would see news in same source "woow TAF is such a cruel ,stops poor people "
i dont think this is a sincerely written new ,but its written with purposes, either to support PKK and normalize their action,or damaging profile of TAF and turkish republic as indicating " security by PKK terrorists"
 
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I dont thinks its that easy for launch and attack bro ;
i am pretty sure our army watching border well with UAVs and observing those people passing with terrorits, they dont block terrorists because there is no threat seen ,with peace progess issues combined with humanity issues , if they blocked them then you would see news in same source "woow TAF is such a cruel ,stops poor people "
i dont think this is a sincerely written new ,but its written with purposes, either to support PKK and normalize their action,or damaging profile of TAF and turkish republic as indicating " security by PKK terrorists"

In current state, it's very easy to launch an attack. There is active Oramar camp in the region (in Turkey) and it's attached to Mezi Karyaderi-Avaşin camps in Northern Iraq.. Through Oramar camp they can launch an attack any time they want.

Geography in that region doesn't allow an active surveliance... We can discuss on this if you want.
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Forget Northern Iraq border... we can't actively surveliance Syria border.... (Hakan Fidan says this.)
 
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In current state, it's very easy to launch an attack. There is active Oramar camp in the region (in Turkey) and it's attached to Mezi Karyaderi-Avaşin camps in Northern Iraq.. Through Oramar camp they can launch an attack any time they want.

Geography in that region doesn't allow an active surveliance... We can discuss on this if you want.
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Forget Northern Iraq border... we can't actively surveliance Syria border.... (Hakan Fidan says this.)

You are right about this, i just didnt think situation was this much pathetic o_O
 
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The Kurds are becoming better and better at PR every day, there are lots, and I mean lots of articles in the western press, either directly praising them or having a positive tone towards their actions.

IMHO, this is preparation work for a independent Kurdistan, by first turning the (western) public opinion sympathetic towards their goal - that's not to detract from the fact that they did a lot of good in Iraq, after the ISIS offensive.

About the Yazidis ..you know what ISIS will do to them if you turn them back at the border?:unsure:
 
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The Kurds are becoming better and better at PR every day, there are lots, and I mean lots of articles in the western press, either directly praising them or having a positive tone towards their actions.

IMHO, this is preparation work for a independent Kurdistan, by first turning the (western) public opinion sympathetic towards their goal - that's not to detract from the fact that they did a lot of good in Iraq, after the ISIS offensive.

About the Yazidis ..you know what ISIS will do to them if you turn them back at the border?:unsure:
imo isis project was and is the preparation work for founding an independent Kurdistan and cutting Iraq in pieces. In order to win international sympathy and legal justification by law for such a country, a group like isis was needed to create such chaos, destruction in the most inhumane way. Something isnt right, its fishy, but looking at the outcome, it will be Kurds and Israel/US who will be the winner, and that speaks volumes for a region where things coincidentally happen in favor of Israel and against the rest of ME countries. divide and conquer.
 
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About the Yazidis ..you know what ISIS will do to them if you turn them back at the border?

Nothing will happen... they can stay in Erbil, Duhok, Zaho....... but who wants to stay in KRG when Turkey is avaliable...:disagree:
 
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imo isis project was and is the preparation work for founding an independent Kurdistan and cutting Iraq in pieces. In order to win international sympathy and legal justification by law for such a country, a group like isis was needed to create such chaos, destruction in the most inhumane way. Something isnt right, its fishy, but looking at the outcome, it will be Kurds and Israel/US who will be the winner, and that speaks volumes for a region where things coincidentally happen in favor of Israel and against the rest of ME countries. divide and conquer.


I think you're taking things a little to far with ISIS and this theory. If the USA wanted to divide Iraq or grant Kurdistan independence they could have done it at any point in the last decade.
They don't need ISIS as a justification.Nor does the USA wants a divided and destroyed ME, since it could tamper with the oil flow.And again, a justification wasn't and isn't necessary.Neither is ISIS necessary to further USA's interests, especially since ISIS and the movement which spawned ISIS are the exact opposite of what the USA is.

Occam's razor - ISIS is most likely exactly what it seems: the final manifestation of a specific part of Muslim religion, overlapped over the regional tribal mindset and the persian-arab conflict.

Nothing will happen... they can stay in Erbil, Duhok, Zaho....... but who wants to stay in KRG when Turkey is avaliable...:disagree:

Wouldn't you also choose Turkey, if you had the choice?:D
 
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