Pilot unrest in India's air force

[Adux]

Political gameplay, bribes, I have no clue. Even the Nuclear Deal is a factor. India is playing politics very well; but the armed forces are suffering the consequences

 

[Muradk]

what will these guys do in war? i guess they will take off from india and land in Pakistan.

The news its self is very old but the topic keeps commimg up in the news when ever there is any further developments.
The Indian pilots will do what Pakistani pilots did, In war they all come back to serve there country.

 

[Bushroda]

The news its self is very old but the topic keeps commimg up in the news when ever there is any further developments.
The Indian pilots will do what Pakistani pilots did, In war they all come back to serve there country.

Words of wisdom

That is another problem, but that is a minor one compared to the others,
Look at the amount time taken for MMRCA and the rest....babudom.

The problem is that MMRCA is a huge order of nearly 200 planes. It would put India in the league of one of the most modern & advanced airforces in the world. Hence, each & every option has to be weighed proportionally. If you are placing an order that huge you would want to ensure that you don't end up with a junk in your backyard. Hence, the time taken to evaluate performance of each & every aircraft.

 

[Adux]

The problem is that MMRCA is a huge order of nearly 200 planes. It would put India in the league of one of the most modern & advanced airforces in the world. Hence, each & every option has to be weighed proportionally. If you are placing an order that huge you would want to ensure that you don't end up with a junk in your backyard. Hence, the time taken to evaluate performance of each & every aircraft.

Agreed, but can we please have the damn RFP's out.

 

[Adux]

The news its self is very old but the topic keeps commimg up in the news when ever there is any further developments.
The Indian pilots will do what Pakistani pilots did, In war they all come back to serve there country.

My respects

 

[MirBadshah]

The news its self is very old but the topic keeps commimg up in the news when ever there is any further developments.
The Indian pilots will do what Pakistani pilots did, In war they all come back to serve there country.

How much likely it is from pilots who are too desperate to commit succides? I mean there are always limits to loyality, once some one attempts succide, it is the extreme step and reflects that person have lost every hope and relation with things around him.

If these guys are forced to work as pointed out by BBC and are unwillingly flying, it would be difficult to agree with your statement.

 

[Adux]

Mir,

Send me a link where an Indian Airforce Pilot tried to commit suicide on work related stress,

I havent seen you until now reply with atleast some bit of intellect, try to understand what really is happening.

 

[MirBadshah]

Adux,

Try to read the posts before you post your comments, you are suffering from some sort of hurry which makes you over look the posts and comment firt.

Here are details, I would appriciate if you can find "Succide attempts" in news item below.

If not plz request some fellow to translate the article in language you can understand well, and if this news says that there are succide attempts by pilots because of working conditions, I hope you will gather enogh moral courage to appologise.

Pilot unrest in India's air force
By Nagendar Sharma
BBC News, Delhi


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4895768.stm


The air force is no longer seen as a promising career
The Indian Air Force is facing a crisis after at least 200 pilots indicated they wanted to leave the service, a BBC investigation has discovered.

The pilots say poor working and living conditions, and the difficulty of living apart from their families, have prompted their decisions.

But they say the IAF is not allowing them to quit their jobs. One pilot attempted suicide after being refused.

The IAF said premature retirement cases were decided only after proper

scrutiny.

Having given the prime years of my youth to the country, what have I asked for? Just to be allowed to live with my family

Air force pilot

Many serving pilots spoken to by the BBC in different parts of India say they are no longer motivated to carry on in service while being separated from their families. They say deteriorating service conditions and a culture of "sycophancy being promoted by senior officers" is making it difficult for them to work.

They say the situation is aggravated by the authorities' refusal to allow them to quit.

'Victimised'

Figures obtained by the BBC show that between 2002 and 2004, 263 pilots were allowed by the IAF authorities to seek premature retirement.

However, in 2005 only eight pilots were allowed to leave.

The BBC has seen classified documents that show that one of those given premature retirement managed to do so only after he obtained a letter from a member of parliament.


The IAF says it spends millions of rupees on each pilot's training
One of the pilots, with more than a decade of service with the IAF, said he was dismayed at not having been given permission to leave the force, and felt victimised.

"Having given the prime years of my youth to the country, what have I asked for? Just to be allowed to live with my family. Even that is being denied," he told the BBC.

"I have been told by the authorities to shut up, otherwise I would be transferred to a place from where I would be able to do nothing," he said.

Air force response

Another pilot who was denied permission to leave attempted to commit suicide.

He is currently undergoing psychiatric help in an army hospital.

In a written response to the BBC, the IAF said: "When any officer of the IAF asks for premature retirement on compassionate grounds, these cases are investigated and, when found genuine, the officer is allowed to proceed on premature retirement."

The IAF also said it was investigating the suicide attempt.

We have to ensure that cockpit vacancies are kept filled at all times, as failure to do so would jeopardise national security

Indian Air Force

But the angry and frustrated pilots say they feel they made a mistake by joining the force.

Many of them challenge the IAF's claim that they are given basic facilities such as free accommodation.

One officer with more than 15 years of service said: "Whether you are posted in a small or a big city, you are not given an accommodation of more than two small rooms.

"If on a two-year posting, you are moving houses every six months. Only those who do it know the stress they undergo."

Commercial airlines

But the IAF says the terms and conditions of service are made known to the young men and women at the time of joining.

It says millions of rupees are spent on training them to become pilots.

"We have to ensure that cockpit vacancies are kept filled at all times, as failure to do so would jeopardise national security," it says.

But an added complication has been the emergence of many new private airlines in India that has led to a massive demand for trained pilots.

Many of them see the air force pilots as their best bet.

The BBC asked one of the pilots whether he and his colleagues were looking to leave the force to join commercial airlines for higher salaries and a better lifestyle.

"What is wrong even if we do plan to become commercial pilots?" he said in response.

"We have given the best part of our life to the country. I would also request you to have a look at the lists of candidates applying for commercial pilots' licenses.

"You would be shocked to find majority of those are relatives of senior commanders, and in some case these seniors themselves," he alleged.

 

[Adux]

Mir,

You gave me one..lol, IAF is holding them to their contract, which means they have to serve out their term, They get free pilot training, and after training they want to change it a commercial pilot...lol..IAF is not going to be taken for a ride. 200 pilots, who gave them that number....lol
Anyways, it is definitly a problem, and it has to do with payscale. Lets see how the 6th payscale commission will work.
Heck the commercial pilot's thingie is so attractive, that I myself asked for NEO's advice if I should take it as a career.

 

[Adux]

Mir,

One thing I accept is that facilities and Payscale has to be improved and pay increased.

 

[MirBadshah]

Mir,

Send me a link where an Indian Airforce Pilot tried to commit suicide on work related stress,

I havent seen you until now reply with atleast some bit of intellect, try to understand what really is happening.

""""""""Another pilot who was denied permission to leave attempted to commit suicide""""""

I have made it bold so that you can find it easily, I am still waiting what do you say about "your intelect".

 

[Adux]

OK two, In the total history of the IAF, lol.... that too attempt at suicide..lol..they must have faked..it...to get out in terms of mental depression.

 

[melb4aust]

OK two, In the total history of the IAF, lol.... that too attempt at suicide..lol..they must have faked..it...to get out in terms of mental depression.

HAhahaa. ..com on man....will u ever give up

 

[Adux]

HAhahaa. ..com on man....will u ever give up

If you would have asked me, then i would have given a different reply, I do have time for trolls, mud-slingers, so enjoy the show.

PS: I hope you remember me talking to Neo on me joining the airline pilot thingie, in the PAK airline's banned thread. It is huge man, A senior pilot would earn a min of 50 lakhs/year and perks in commercial .The airforce guy earns 4.5 lakhs and perks.

Look at this way, pilot training is expensive, these guys come in the iAF and get trained for free and then resign , join the Commercial airlines. Isnt that cheating the IAF. So they are now invoking medical grounds to get out of the force, its attempted suicide,,lol... 2 people attempting in its 75 year history is not bad..,melb.

When the private industries werent there, everyone had more over the same payscale, government, semi-government, private, After the economic boom, a guy in a call center makes more than an army jawan. I think it is unfair, but so is life
This has everything to do with money.

Adu

 

[Adux]

Melb,

One request, judge me by the way i speak to you, webby, blain, murad,sword, bull,malay, Neo etc...
There is a difference.
Silence is not in my stream and I am not a pushover.