Pilot production of airborne BrahMos begins

[haawk]

each su 30 mki will be carring 3 brahmos...not 1

 

[psychedelic_renegade]

With Brahmos fitted to flankers, unkil will think twice before sending aircraft careers to Indian Ocean next time.

 

[Doom]

First of all Mig-29 will not be fitted with Brahmos imho, Su-30mki will only carry one brahmos on it

It will carry 3 brahmos not 1

 

[Dark Angel]

Max take off weight dosent matter the wings cannot take a 2.5 ton strain on a single spot they are not something like sidewinders or adders

 

[Mauryan]

Can somebody elaborate on what are the best scenarios to use Brahmos Armed MKI effectively ?

Probably this also has something to do with the IN policy of basing a squad or 2 of MKI in Andamans and Nicobar along side Jaguar IM.

MKI with brahmos is quiet hand when a war with Pak is considered. Brahmos can be launched from MKI while flying on the indian side of the border to take out C3I centers, nuclear installations, fuel dumps, ammo dumps,......(this is increasing the probablity with use of ALCM instead of LACM ).

While it can be use to take down enemy ships on the indians west coast.

In short,Brahmos was always considered as a surprise attack capable missile.India is just utilizing the use of such missile from all sorts(subs to aircrafts)

 

[karan.1970]

Can this combination be used to take out nuclear tipped ballastic missiles before take off in a scenario like below.

It takes 1 to 2 hours for a ballastic missile to be prepared for take off. During this time, if detected via (drones/satellite/humint), a heavily escorted Su 30 MKI could ingress a couple of hundred Km inside the Pak airspace, let loose a Brahmos (range 300+) km and turn back. Given the speed of a flanker and Brahmos, this 500 KM distance will be covered in about 15 minutes. Add another 10 minutes for the flankers to reach the border from scramble point, it adds up to 25 minutes.

And there is hardly a point in Pakistan more than 500 Km or so from Indian border...

Lots of assumptions, but is this a viable scenario??

 

[KS]

A Brahmos on a MKI is always a good news.

But doesnt logic dictate that a missile which was intended to be an anti-ship missile in the first place be also fitted on the prime naval fighter in the Indian navy (Mig 29k).....???

 

[deckingraj]

A Brahmos on a MKI is always a good news.

But doesnt logic dictate that a missile which was intended to be an anti-ship missile in the first place be also fitted on the prime naval fighter in the Indian navy (Mig 29k).....???

Good point however you also need to consider the life cycle of Brahmos

Brahmos was intended to be a anti-ship missile. In its initial life cycle was never intended to be a Air to Surface, Surface to Air missile...However looking at its enormous potential the other variants were introduced...Thus looking at its life cycle it make sense to have the most lethal missile on your most lethal platform.

As far as Navy is concerned i guess somebody mentioned about two dedicated Sqaudrons of MKI for IN... I am sure if technology and specs of our other Fighters allowed then IAF would like to equip all of them with this deadly missile....

Look how this missile has developed from an anti-ship role to play all these roles

* Ship launched, Anti-Ship variant (operational)
* Ship launched, Land attack variant (operational)
* Land launched, Land attack variant (operational)
* Land launched, Anti-Ship variant (existence not confirmed)
* Air launched, Anti-Ship variant (development)
* Air launched, Land attack variant (development) [6]
* Submarine launched, Anti-Ship variant (development)
* Submarine launched, Land attack variant (development)


Awesome isn't it???

 

[ratnas]

A Brahmos on a MKI is always a good news.

But doesnt logic dictate that a missile which was intended to be an anti-ship missile in the first place be also fitted on the prime naval fighter in the Indian navy (Mig 29k).....???

good question mate.
Got to think about it. May be they will fit this baby to the carrier launched ones

 

[Mauryan]

Can this combination be used to take out nuclear tipped ballastic missiles before take off in a scenario like below.

It takes 1 to 2 hours for a ballastic missile to be prepared for take off. During this time, if detected via (drones/satellite/humint), a heavily escorted Su 30 MKI could ingress a couple of hundred Km inside the Pak airspace, let loose a Brahmos (range 300+) km and turn back. Given the speed of a flanker and Brahmos, this 500 KM distance will be covered in about 15 minutes. Add another 10 minutes for the flankers to reach the border from scramble point, it adds up to 25 minutes.

And there is hardly a point in Pakistan more than 500 Km or so from Indian border...

Lots of assumptions, but is this a viable scenario??

Here,you are talking about pre-emptive strikes.
But it is also not true that getting ready a BM takes 1-2 hrs.Most tactical BMs take less than 30 min to 15 min.
For such pre-emptive strikes, one needs continious intelligence gathering regarding the movement of BMs.In these days of high-mobility TBMs which are highly camoflauged,It would be best prefered going alongside human intelligence and space based survivalance.

also you dont need to put an MKI in danger,it can simply launch an ALCM while flying on the indian side after getting feeds from AWACS and SATs. Brahmos have a variable range,which makes things much better.

 

[KS]

Good point however you also need to consider the life cycle of Brahmos

Brahmos was intended to be a anti-ship missile. In its initial life cycle was never intended to be a Air to Surface, Surface to Air missile...However looking at its enormous potential the other variants were introduced...Thus looking at its life cycle it make sense to have the most lethal missile on your most lethal platform.

As far as Navy is concerned i guess somebody mentioned about two dedicated Sqaudrons of MKI for IN... I am sure if technology and specs of our other Fighters allowed then IAF would like to equip all of them with this deadly missile....

Look how this missile has developed from an anti-ship role to play all these roles

* Ship launched, Anti-Ship variant (operational)
* Ship launched, Land attack variant (operational)
* Land launched, Land attack variant (operational)
* Land launched, Anti-Ship variant (existence not confirmed)
* Air launched, Anti-Ship variant (development)
* Air launched, Land attack variant (development) [6]
* Submarine launched, Anti-Ship variant (development)
* Submarine launched, Land attack variant (development)


Awesome isn't it???

mate i agree that Brahmos has evolved beyond its anti-shipping role.
wat im saying is for land attack use MKI...but for operations in sea shouldn the Mig-29 K be used..as they r carrier launched.?

See if the enemy frigate/destroyer is abt 2500 km from Indian shores it makes more sense to use the Brahmos from a Mig 29K rather than a MKI for the range consideration and operational costs.

Nd if they can fit 3 Brahmos(claimed) onto a MKI they can atleast fit a Single Brahmos onto the Mig 29 s

 

[Kinetic]

Max take off weight dosent matter the wings cannot take a 2.5 ton strain on a single spot they are not something like sidewinders or adders

Every MKI will carry three Brahmos.

"The Su-30MKI also required modifications to fit the missile under its belly and integrate it into the plane's fire control system. The Sukhoi Corporation is working to strengthen the wings so that two more missiles can be fitted in the flanks.

Experts said the BrahMos-armed Su-30MKI would be a game changer in the Indian Ocean, giving the IAF a deeper strategic reach and an extra deadly punch. With a range of 290 km, the missile will allow the pilot to hit enemy vessels while staying well outside the reach of their air defences. Travelling at a top speed of Mach 2.8 barely 3-4 metres above the sea surface, the missile cannot be intercepted by any known weapon system in the world."

The Hindu : International : Pilot production of airborne BrahMos begins

 

[KS]

A bit OT:


Does Gorsky has Brahmos fitted onto it..?

 

[Kinetic]

A bit OT:


Does Gorsky has Brahmos fitted onto it..?

No.

 

[KS]

No.

Then it makes all the more sense to fit brahmos onto the Migs so that it can pack a deadly punch.