PIA to lease seven new jets, expand fleet

[Jango]

APU's failing to start once the aircraft lands, exactly like the A380. Initially it had the same issue.

Funny enough chaffing of one of the lines on the MLG, exactly like the 777 had when it was launched.

Links of these specific occurrences please...

 

[VCheng]

Bro those were disasters. I'm talking about technical glitches with a new aircraft, like the ones I mentioned earlier.

The glitches get sorted out quite quickly. Some, like the B777 engine fuel heat exchanger freeze up issue show up much later.

 

[Jango]

Links of these specific occurrences please...

Indus Falcon, talking about the A380 issue...I do know about the 787 APU issue, it was identified and fixed very early on and wasn't something which had an effect on aircraft turnaround times or for which aircraft needed extra time in the shop.

Advisories were given for APU shut down times and a solution to the problem was sought in the meanwhile.

You are talking about the APU heating issue due to inlet door being closed, right?

The glitches get sorted out quite quickly. Some, like the B777 engine fuel heat exchanger freeze up issue show up much later.

Specific to RR engines, not GE.
Just like the Qantas A380 engine failure was also specific to RR engines, and not Engine Alliance.

Albeit, to most members of the general public who have no interest or knowledge of aviation and aircraft, this issue would seem to be specific to the aircraft.

The aircraft gets some bad publicity too...oh well, all part of the game!

 

[Indus Falcon]

Links of these specific occurrences please...

Sorry no links. Etihad airlines is my source.

Indus Falcon, talking about the A380 issue...I do know about the 787 APU issue, it was identified and fixed very early on and wasn't something which had an effect on aircraft turnaround times or for which aircraft needed extra time in the shop.

Advisories were given for APU shut down times and a solution to the problem was sought in the meanwhile.

You are talking about the APU heating issue due to inlet door being closed, right?

Well I'm not a technical guy, but from what I've been told, Etihad has 3 787-9 active and the APU is giving them headaches. Plus there is another 787-8 which on and off used to have the same issue. Ultimately the APU had to be replaced. Now I have no clue how much an APU costs. But Boeing has promised to replace 2. The third one hasn't gone crtical yet.

 

[Jango]

Sorry no links. Etihad airlines is my source.



Well I'm not a technical guy, but from what I've been told, Etihad has 3 787-9 active and the APU is giving them headaches. Plus there is another 787-8 which on and off used to have the same issue. Ultimately the APU had to be replaced. Now I have no clue how much an APU costs. But Boeing has promised to replace 2. The third one hasn't gone crtical yet.

Well I follow aviation quite closely, and the only APU issue with the 787 I can think of right now is the overheating with the inlet door closed...this occured around 2013 and has since been solved.

It was basically a problem with the cooling of the APU, the heat after shutdown caused the shaft to bow a bit.

So t's been about 2 years since that problem.

If now there is another problem, I don't know about that. Could you try and get the details please?

Boeing fields permanent APU fix for 787-8 - 11/13/2014 - Flight Global

I am talking about this one.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Indus Falcon, talking about the A380 issue...I do know about the 787 APU issue, it was identified and fixed very early on and wasn't something which had an effect on aircraft turnaround times or for which aircraft needed extra time in the shop.

Advisories were given for APU shut down times and a solution to the problem was sought in the meanwhile.

You are talking about the APU heating issue due to inlet door being closed, right?



Specific to RR engines, not GE.
Just like the Qantas A380 engine failure was also specific to RR engines, and not Engine Alliance.

Albeit, to most members of the general public who have no interest or knowledge of aviation and aircraft, this issue would seem to be specific to the aircraft.

The aircraft gets some bad publicity too...oh well, all part of the game!

Absolutely right, the issues were strictly related to RR engines, both the 777 and the 380. This is why Etihad went with GE engines. But turns out the APU is acting "funny" Boeing has guaranteed no more issues from aircraft #7

What I believe Boeing is doing is swapping them for newer ones, while these go back to be fixed and then returned as spares.

I will see what I can dig up.

The other 787-8 based out of Abu Dhabi is doing fine now.

 

[Donatello]

Bhai sahab, I'm not talking about Lease Vs Buy. I'm talking about the Boeing 787 still having "teething issues" i.e. technical problems till today, in comparison to the B777 or even the A330. Unlike the B777, the B787 is NOT a mature product and is still going through it's phases.

On the flip side, once the technical problems are ironed out, and it matures, it would be a very good aircraft for long, thin routes.

Sorry bhai, too much celebratory dope i had tonight..

Indus Falcon, talking about the A380 issue...I do know about the 787 APU issue, it was identified and fixed very early on and wasn't something which had an effect on aircraft turnaround times or for which aircraft needed extra time in the shop.

Advisories were given for APU shut down times and a solution to the problem was sought in the meanwhile.

You are talking about the APU heating issue due to inlet door being closed, right?



Specific to RR engines, not GE.
Just like the Qantas A380 engine failure was also specific to RR engines, and not Engine Alliance.

Albeit, to most members of the general public who have no interest or knowledge of aviation and aircraft, this issue would seem to be specific to the aircraft.

The aircraft gets some bad publicity too...oh well, all part of the game!

It is expected that the earlier production aircraft will have some unseen or un-tested issues....since the company cannot possibly test for each and every failure or your product will never sell. For this reason, many airlines like the earlier production slots because they get heavy discounts......but in return they keep mum on the inner technical issues that are not compromising safety. So this way, the airline deals with the technical glitches in a gradual but expected manner.

 

[Indus Falcon]

It is expected that the earlier production aircraft will have some unseen or un-tested issues....since the company cannot possibly test for each and every failure or your product will never sell. For this reason, many airlines like the earlier production slots because they get heavy discounts......but in return they keep mum on the inner technical issues that are not compromising safety. So this way, the airline deals with the technical glitches in a gradual but expected manner.

Bang on the buck!
Boeing said to line up buyers for overweight 787 Dreamliners - BuenosAiresHerald.com
Boeing Struggles to Find Buyers for Early Version Dreamliners - WSJ

Here is something on the B787 for aviation enthusiasts:

 

[VCheng]

Specific to RR engines, not GE.
Just like the Qantas A380 engine failure was also specific to RR engines, and not Engine Alliance.

Albeit, to most members of the general public who have no interest or knowledge of aviation and aircraft, this issue would seem to be specific to the aircraft.

The aircraft gets some bad publicity too...oh well, all part of the game!

Yes, not GE and not P&W engines either, but I did not want to derail the thread. The only reason I quoted that as an example is to make the point that some early teething issues are expected, but some have a greater latent period before becoming evident.

The 787 will mature very nicely over the next few years, I am sure.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Yes, not GE and not P&W engines either, but I did not want to derail the thread. The only reason I quoted that as an example is to make the point that some early teething issues are expected, but some have a greater latent period before becoming evident.

The 787 will mature very nicely over the next few years, I am sure.

There is only one thing that bothers me about the 787 i.e. the way it is constructed like barrels, instead of panels. If damaged how would they get repaired? Secondly, what happened to the Ethiopian Airlines, aircraft that caught fire ?

 

[VCheng]

There is only one thing that bothers me about the 787 i.e. the way it is constructed like barrels, instead of panels. If damaged how would they get repaired? Secondly, what happened to the Ethiopian Airlines, aircraft that caught fire ?

It depends on the type of damage, but composites can be repaired too. AFAIK, the EA jet had a lithium battery issue that has since been resolved.

 

[Indus Falcon]

It depends on the type of damage, but composites can be repaired too. AFAIK, the EA jet had a lithium battery issue that has since been resolved.

No it was a Honewell ELT that had a short circuit and shut down Heathrow for 90 minutes.

Dreamliner 787 Heathrow fire 'probably caused by short circuit' - BBC News

787 Fire Repair Boosts Composites Confidence | AWIN content from Aviation Week

 

[ALIHAMZABHUTTA]

The government is only focusing to do PIA private !!! Height of stupidity

 

[Thorough Pro]

I too always fly PIA, their service is just fine and why give my money to some other country?

I always make it a point to fly PIA, I don't know if I am the only person in Pakistan who thinks their service isn't as bad as people claim it is? Just the other day, a friend of mine was cribbing that he was accompanying his brother who has a special needs child and the PIA staff declined to offer them additional pillows to make the child comfortable but that's when his brother pointed out that before they declined to give them any more pillows, they had already received 11 pillows for three seats. Its this kind of unfair criticism that is forcing PIA into a loss and discouraging people from flying PIA.

 

[Shabi1]

I hope they get some super efficient 737s (its latest version), same as those used by ultra budget air lines. Its such a waste that PIA uses long haul 777s on short domestic routes, not only is it expensive for them but added landings and take offs put more wear and tear on the jets.