PIA carries out first ever Check-C on Airbus A-320

[X-2.]

These are Economy Class Planes with about 150 seats so no First Class. AC is centralized and No Screens.

Seriously,offcourse it's EC but no facilities and comfort it will not attract passengers

 

[Furqan Sarwar]

Seriously,offcourse it's EC but no facilities and comfort it will not attract passengers

Unless our Airline can get new planes with better facilities passengers will have to bear this.

 

[X-2.]

Unless our Airline can get new planes with better facilities passengers will have to bear this.

Need better management,on time flights and co-op wd passengers can bring revenue for pia and they can replace the buses or planes
None serious behaviour of government for development of most departments

 

[muhammadali233]

Heard PIA is going for 8 brand new 787-8,is it true?

 

[Furqan Sarwar]

Heard PIA is going for 8 brand new 787-8,is it true?

Actually PIA has an order of 5 777-300. However Boeing don't want us to buy those so they are doing their publicity for a fail project.

You can easily access the situation, they are offering 12 787's for 5 777-300.

There has been nearly 40 incidents from 2011 till now where one after another 787's faced problems. This is a big ratio and clearly indicates "DAAL MAIN KUCH KALA HY"

Check here for complete list of incidents in my post: https://defence.pk/threads/why-boei...or-both-jetmaker-airline.447374/#post-8659269

 

[imiakhtar]

PIA has also been performing check Ds on its aircraft (complete overhaul) after 7-8 years. But a good profit making airline is supposed to sell its aircraft before a check D becomes due.

Quite clearly, you don't know what you are talking about.

Aircraft designed in the 80s and 90s require heavy base checks aka "C check" for the A320 every 6 years. There are no d checks required for the A320. See my post on another forum below:

It certainly isn't 3 years/C Check for the A320.

When I started in Network Planning at a large European airline 6 years ago, the A320 at that time were on a 15 month interval per C check task group.

Soon after, my employer got regulatory approval from the CAA to extend the C check maintenance intervals to 20 months. The numbers I give below are taken from my employer's Airbus A320 fleet maintenance planning document. I've included the old C check interval data too for comparison purposes:

Initial 'old' C check intervals and task required:

Check Interval Tasks required
C1 15 months 1C
C2 30 months 1C+2C
C3 45 months 1C
C4 60 months 1C+2C+4C+S1 (During the 4th C check, a S1 structural check becomes due too)
C5 75 months 1C
C6 90 months 1C+2C
C7 105 months 1C
C8 120 months 1C+2C+4C+S1+S2 Two structural checks. Very expensive!

Current A320 C check intervals and task required:

Check Interval Tasks required
C1 20 months/6000FH/4500FC 1C
C2 40 months/12000FH/9000FC 1C+2C
C3 60 months/18000FH/13500FC 1C+3C
C4 72 months/24000FH/18000FC 1C+2C+4C+S1 S1 check becomes due at 72 months
C5 100 months/30000FH/22500FC 1C+5C
C6 120 months/36000FH/27000FC 1C+2C+3C+6C
C7 140 months/42000FH/31500FC 1C
C8 144 months/48000FH/36000FC 1C+2C+4C+8C+S1+S2 S2 check becomes due at 144 months

Now, under the latest A320 MPD which I listed above, the C4 and C8 checks become due at 80 and 160 months. However, as the structural checks are due every 72 months, most airlines will carry out an earlier C4/C8 check when S1/S2 become due as it limits ground time overall.

Lastly, for an airline that suffers dispropotionately from currency losses, PIA would be committing suicide if they adopted the throwaway strategy you're suggesting. Very few airlines get rid of the aircraft when heavy maintenance becomes due. Even emirates doesn't do that.

 

[untitled]

Quite clearly, you don't know what you are talking about.

Aircraft designed in the 80s and 90s require heavy base checks aka "C check" for the A320 every 6 years. There are no d checks required for the A320.

Quite clearly you did not take your time to understand my post in your haste to show off your work experience. I hope someone is impressed. Where did I say that the 320s are in for a check D?

Lastly, for an airline that suffers dispropotionately from currency losses, PIA would be committing suicide if they adopted the throwaway strategy you're suggesting. Very few airlines get rid of the aircraft when heavy maintenance becomes due....

What's wrong in my desire for PIA to be operating brand new aircraft? PIA has operated old aircrafts for years. Check D were common on PIAs Jumbo's. So check D should not be problem in the first place

 

[imiakhtar]

What's wrong in my desire for PIA to be operating brand new aircraft? PIA has operated old aircrafts for years. Check D were common on PIAs Jumbo's. So check D should not be problem in the first place

In which you haven't noticed the depreciation of the rupee vs the dollar in the last 5 or so years.

Airlines, particularly those with international ops like PIA, take in a "basket" of currency. Unfortunately for PIA, that basket of currency has a large rupee/pound sterling/euro bias. That means that your desired 'brand new aircraft' which are sold in usd will mean currency losses for PIA.

Lastly, as I suggested prior, operating aircraft beyond their first heavy base check is within industry norms. In the long run, operating owned aircraft versus short term (6-8 year) lease aircraft is more beneficial. Very few airlines adopt the throwaway approach you are suggesting.

 

[cloud4000]

Actually PIA has an order of 5 777-300. However Boeing don't want us to buy those so they are doing their publicity for a fail project.

You can easily access the situation, they are offering 12 787's for 5 777-300.

There has been nearly 40 incidents from 2011 till now where one after another 787's faced problems. This is a big ratio and clearly indicates "DAAL MAIN KUCH KALA HY"

Check here for complete list of incidents in my post: https://defence.pk/threads/why-boei...or-both-jetmaker-airline.447374/#post-8659269

Some of the issues in the list can happen to any aircraft. Every new type of aircraft introduced, civilian or military, has teething problems. Even after a thorough design, development, and test process, there are still issues. Boeing has overcome these problems and the 787 is turning out to be a solid aircraft. It has a substantial backlog of order to prove what a valuable aircraft it is.

787 would be a welcome addition to the PIA fleet. It would replace the A310s and be viable on long, thin routes to Europe and Asia.

PIA has been performing check c's of all its fleet. I would have been more surprised had PIA outsourced this to other engineering organizations considering the maintenance setup PIA has.

PIA has also been performing check Ds on its aircraft (complete overhaul) after 7-8 years. But a good profit making airline is supposed to sell its aircraft before a check D becomes due.

Many airlines outsource their C- and D-checks, if they choose to do them. You are right many airlines get rid of aircraft approaching D-checks. But on the other hand, if you have the facilities to do it yourself, why not? That PIA did C-checks for its own 320s says loads about its ability. Now they can offer maintenance services to other airlines to do heavy maintenance checks on their 320s. Many Gulf airlines might be interested.

PIA should market its engineering service more heavily, it would be a bright spot for the airline.

 

[pzfz]

IFE would be stupid on PIA A320s. As is "business class". Costly, weighs more, and no one's going to choose another airline due to lack of IFE on a 1-2 hour journey. These things are nothing but throwing money down the drain. IFE would get wrecked, and J seats are taking up valuable space. A Pakistani would much rather take a bus/car journey unless the flights are KHI-LHE/ISB.

 

[Danish saleem]

Actually PIA has an order of 5 777-300. However Boeing don't want us to buy those so they are doing their publicity for a fail project.

You can easily access the situation, they are offering 12 787's for 5 777-300.

There has been nearly 40 incidents from 2011 till now where one after another 787's faced problems. This is a big ratio and clearly indicates "DAAL MAIN KUCH KALA HY"

Check here for complete list of incidents in my post: https://defence.pk/threads/why-boei...or-both-jetmaker-airline.447374/#post-8659269

and also keep in mind, PIA now operating Air Bus 330-300, which is also very good plane, and Boeing never ever want us to change towards new Brand.

this is all brand war.

 

[JonAsad]

Check c requires engineers?

 

[untitled]

Check c requires engineers?

Well someone has to oversee the job and sign the paper work

Why do you ask?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

show off your work experience

I am not impressed, rather I am very, very impressed. Wish we had more members with sort of "precise" thinking and real experiance where it matters.

@imiakhtar
And it would be nice if we can have your thoughts on why PIA is in the mess it is and what can be done to fix it.

 

[untitled]

I am not impressed, rather I am very, very impressed.

Well you could have thanked that impressive post of his. Even now it remains "unthanked". As for me I have my reasons for not thanking it. I got BESTED and I am a sore loser