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There is nothing which India can do if a JF-17 sinks the carrier in peacetime by the element of surprise alone.

Are you serious when you consider & suggest this ?!!

Has any country sunk a vessel of another country in peace time in the manner you have suggested !!

During peacetime a JF-17 should fly to 250km of the carrier and fire its missile and scoot. If the lalas across the border shout after losing this carrier we can always blame the taliban hijacked a plane and did it. In the end they lose a carrier and we gain the greatest glory of sinking a carrier post world war 2!!! All which is needed now is a man with a spine on the helm in islamabad and all is set!

You read too many comic books.

What makes you feel that such assets are ever out of an umbrella ?

If a nation allows Taliban to hijack a military plane ( as they nearly hijacked a ship in Pak), the nation does not deserve to exist in its present form .
 
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TAStyyyyyy.. so tasty target for the JF-17 and its CM-400AKG carrier killer. Just one missile in peacetime to sink the carrier. India wont risk a full scale war after sinking one rust bucket..they are too afraid of losing their economy. lol

During peacetime a JF-17 should fly to 250km of the carrier and fire its missile and scoot. If the lalas across the border shout after losing this carrier we can always blame the taliban hijacked a plane and did it. In the end they lose a carrier and we gain the greatest glory of sinking a carrier post world war 2!!! All which is needed now is a man with a spine on the helm in islamabad and all is set!

Supa dupa JF17 the carrier killer.
supa supa JF17 the satellite killer.
supa supa JF17 the nuke sub killer.
Supa supa JF17 the destroyer killer.
supa supa JF17 the gslv killer.
supa supa JF17 the MKI killer.
supa supa JF17 the Rafale killer.
supa supa JF17 the fgfa killer.
supa supa JF17 the lca killer.

Dang..its as if you have the best supa supa jet out there and not a Chinese junk loaded with chinese junk missile and armaments desperate for some french avionics and so confident that you get scared to send it against the taliban.
 
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Are you serious when you consider & suggest this ?!!

Has any country sunk a vessel of another country in peace time in the manner you have suggested !!



You read too many comic books.

What makes you feel that such assets are ever out of an umbrella ?

If a nation allows Taliban to hijack a military plane ( as they nearly hijacked a ship in Pak), the nation does not deserve to exist in its present form .

If these morons had that logic in there head, there country wouldn't be in the present state of condition......:crazy::coffee:
 
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These Pics are very old and they are already there is Viki thread, Post something new and interesting.
 
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TAStyyyyyy.. so tasty target for the JF-17 and its CM-400AKG carrier killer. Just one missile in peacetime to sink the carrier. India wont risk a full scale war after sinking one rust bucket..they are too afraid of losing their economy. lol

During peacetime a JF-17 should fly to 250km of the carrier and fire its missile and scoot. If the lalas across the border shout after losing this carrier we can always blame the taliban hijacked a plane and did it. In the end they lose a carrier and we gain the greatest glory of sinking a carrier post world war 2!!! All which is needed now is a man with a spine on the helm in islamabad and all is set!
Do you even know you're talking about? You keep shooting from the hip when you know squat about naval strategy and tactics. Here, let me put you wise so you stop trolling.

Problem one: Finding it. Carriers move. And they really move pretty quickly. The supposed easy method of sinking a carrier is use a satellite to locate it, and send a ballistic missile with a nuke on it to that location. But during the time of that missile flight, the carrier will move to another location, and your canned sunshine will go off far in its wake. Which means you just started a nuclear war by killing some fish. This is not an advisable strategy. This same problem also makes it difficult to sink a carrier with a diesel submarine. Diesel submarines are very quiet as long as they aren't moving. But unless you know where a carrier is going, you can't exactly set a trap for it. And where a carrier is going (in an exact sense) is a closely guarded secret.

Problem two: The Vikramaditya is protected by guys who fly some of the most sophisticated aircraft on the planet like the MiG-29Ks in defense of those carriers. Anything that's within a VERY long distance of a carrier is known to the battle group. Anything that acts aggressive is going to get shot down or blown up a LONG way from the carrier. Getting through a carrier's fighter cover is far from trivial. The Vikramaditya has more fighter aircraft aboard than most nations have in total. And in battles between planes and ships (in case you were thinking of killing a carrier with torpedo boats) planes win.

Problem three: The carrier is protected by a bunch of ships with sophisticated defense systems. This is known as a Battle Group. So even if you manage to fight through the fighter wing of the carrier, you are now faced with some of the most high tech SAM missiles in the world coming at you, guided by some of the most sophisticated radar arrays in the world. Things will not go well for you. Even if you just launch stand off cruise missiles, things won't go well for them. Or you. Cruise missiles are like shooting fish in a barrel compared to downing ballistic missiles.

Problem four: The Vikramaditya/Viraat have their own defensive systems, based on AK-230 Gatling guns that fire a hundred rounds a second, and use two radars... One tracks the target, one tracks the outgoing bullets. A computer just moves the gun until those lines meet. Then you die. Those systems are fully automatic, and incredibly devastating. The carriers also have their own local defensive missiles, just in case you weren't being pounded enough by the carrier's air wing, the SAM missiles, and the Gatling guns.

Problem five: Even if you land ordinance on target, carriers are big, tough, targets that won't be trivial to even significantly damage, let alone sink. Indian crews are EXTREMELY well trained in firefighting and damage control. You will not only need big explosives, but lots and lots of them, to sink a carrier. And that makes getting through steps one to four really hard.

Problem six: Carriers are almost certainly escorted by one or more attack submarines. So if your plan is just to stay out of the air or water surface, you don't get a break.

Problem seven: AWACs like the P-8I will always be on the prowl and can pick up targets like aircraft hundreds of kms away. So before you can say jack, you're going to be blown out of the sky.

Individually, many of these capabilities are closely guarded secrets in terms of details. But it's easy enough to examine the raw capabilities of a carrier battle group. They carry a LOT of defensive armaments. Sinking a carrier would likely involve a very large force that could overwhelm those tremendous defenses, and quite a bit of luck to go along with it. Outside of a handful of major powers, it's doubtful anyone really has this capability in the best of circumstances. And on the open ocean, a carrier is pretty much unsinkable if the commander and crew are doing their job right.

So if you think that a JF-17 with a missile can sink an AC like the Vikramaditya, you must be hallucinating, requiring urgent clinical treatment.
 
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Do you even know you're talking about? You keep shooting from the hip when you know squat about naval strategy and tactics. Here, let me put you wise so you stop trolling.

Problem one: Finding it. Carriers move. And they really move pretty quickly. The supposed easy method of sinking a carrier is use a satellite to locate it, and send a ballistic missile with a nuke on it to that location. But during the time of that missile flight, the carrier will move to another location, and your canned sunshine will go off far in its wake. Which means you just started a nuclear war by killing some fish. This is not an advisable strategy. This same problem also makes it difficult to sink a carrier with a diesel submarine. Diesel submarines are very quiet as long as they aren't moving. But unless you know where a carrier is going, you can't exactly set a trap for it. And where a carrier is going (in an exact sense) is a closely guarded secret.

Problem two: The carrier is protected by guys who fly some of the most sophisticated aircraft on the planet like the MiG-29Ks in defense of those carriers. Anything that's within a VERY long distance of a carrier is known to the battle group. Anything that acts aggressive is going to get shot down or blown up a LONG way from the carrier. Getting through a carrier's fighter cover is far from trivial. The Viraat has more fighter aircraft aboard than most nations have in total. And in battles between planes and ships (in case you were thinking of killing a carrier with torpedo boats) planes win.

Problem three: The carrier is protected by a bunch of ships with sophisticated defense systems. This is known as a Battle Group. So even if you manage to fight through the fighter wing of the carrier, you are now faced with some of the most high tech SAM missiles in the world coming at you, guided by some of the most sophisticated radar arrays in the world. Things will not go well for you. Even if you just launch stand off cruise missiles, things won't go well for them. Or you. Cruise missiles are like shooting fish in a barrel compared to downing ballistic missiles.

Problem four: The Viraat has its own defensive systems, based on AK-230 Gatling guns that fire a hundred rounds a second, and use two radars... One tracks the target, one tracks the outgoing bullets. A computer just moves the gun until those lines meet. Then you die. Those systems are fully automatic, and incredibly devastating. The carriers also have their own local defensive missiles, just in case you weren't being pounded enough by the carriers' air wing, the SAM missiles, and the Gatling guns.

Problem five: Even if you land ordinance on target, carriers are big, tough, targets that won't be trivial to even significantly damage, let alone sink. Indian crews are EXTREMELY well trained in firefighting and damage control. You will not only need big explosives, but lots and lots of them, to sink a carrier. And that makes getting through steps one to four really hard.

Problem six: Carriers are almost certainly escorted by one or more attack submarines. So if your plan is just to stay out of the air or water surface, you don't get a break.

Individually, many of these capabilities are closely guarded secrets in terms of details. But it's easy enough to examine the raw capabilities of a carrier battle group. They carry a LOT of defensive armaments. Sinking a carrier would likely involve a very large force that could overwhelm those tremendous defenses, and quite a bit of luck to go along with it. Outside of a handful of major powers, it's doubtful anyone really has this capability in the best of circumstances. And on the open ocean, a carrier is pretty much unsinkable if the commander and crew are doing their job right.

So if you think that a JF-17 can sink an AC like the Viraat, you must be hallucinating, requiring urgent clinical treatment.

Bro, nothing is impossible for the supa supa JF17.
 
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All I see is one carrier being a new home for fishes and a country of 1.5 billion impotents doing nothing but burning candles and crying and getting sacred of the word 'nuclear'. hehehehe

There is nothing which India can do if a JF-17 sinks the carrier in peacetime by the element of surprise alone. In peacetime there is no full contigent of a carrier battle ground by the IN and also any plane can fly overhead. But there is even no need to fly overhead, just 250km is more than enough!
Seems you are too ignorant about capabilities of Ins Vikramaditya. Its electronic warfare( EW) capabilities are so powerful that It can make aircrafts like Su-33, A-50 awacs and Mig-29Ks technically blind( jamming radar) even at a distance of 400 kms let alone much inferior JF-17. On the other hand it can find upcoming aircrafts at 400-500 km range thus no surprise factor. Read last 2 paras.

Navy to get refurbished Vikramaditya tomorrow - The Hindu: Mobile Edition
 
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Supa dupa JF17 the carrier killer.
supa supa JF17 the satellite killer.
supa supa JF17 the nuke sub killer.
Supa supa JF17 the destroyer killer.
supa supa JF17 the gslv killer.
supa supa JF17 the MKI killer.
supa supa JF17 the Rafale killer.
supa supa JF17 the fgfa killer.
supa supa JF17 the lca killer.

Dang..its as if you have the best supa supa jet out there and not a Chinese junk loaded with chinese junk missile and armaments desperate for some french avionics and so confident that you get scared to send it against the taliban.

OMG.... They have a Tenth generation aircraft!!!!!! :woot::woot::rofl::rofl:
 
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OMG.... They have a Tenth generation aircraft!!!!!! :woot::woot::rofl::rofl:

Couple of years in pdf and I am convinced about the supa supa features of this monster...according to them..It will be used to even take down isro sats...take down gslv while taking off.will obviously take down our acc's and destroyers which are sitting ducks in front of it. ..plus will bring IAF to its knees.
 
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Do you even know you're talking about? You keep shooting from the hip when you know squat about naval strategy and tactics. Here, let me put you wise so you stop trolling.

Problem one: Finding it. Carriers move. And they really move pretty quickly. The supposed easy method of sinking a carrier is use a satellite to locate it, and send a ballistic missile with a nuke on it to that location. But during the time of that missile flight, the carrier will move to another location, and your canned sunshine will go off far in its wake. Which means you just started a nuclear war by killing some fish. This is not an advisable strategy. This same problem also makes it difficult to sink a carrier with a diesel submarine. Diesel submarines are very quiet as long as they aren't moving. But unless you know where a carrier is going, you can't exactly set a trap for it. And where a carrier is going (in an exact sense) is a closely guarded secret.

Problem two: The Vikramaditya is protected by guys who fly some of the most sophisticated aircraft on the planet like the MiG-29Ks in defense of those carriers. Anything that's within a VERY long distance of a carrier is known to the battle group. Anything that acts aggressive is going to get shot down or blown up a LONG way from the carrier. Getting through a carrier's fighter cover is far from trivial. The Vikramaditya has more fighter aircraft aboard than most nations have in total. And in battles between planes and ships (in case you were thinking of killing a carrier with torpedo boats) planes win.

Problem three: The carrier is protected by a bunch of ships with sophisticated defense systems. This is known as a Battle Group. So even if you manage to fight through the fighter wing of the carrier, you are now faced with some of the most high tech SAM missiles in the world coming at you, guided by some of the most sophisticated radar arrays in the world. Things will not go well for you. Even if you just launch stand off cruise missiles, things won't go well for them. Or you. Cruise missiles are like shooting fish in a barrel compared to downing ballistic missiles.

Problem four: The Vikramaditya/Viraat have their own defensive systems, based on AK-230 Gatling guns that fire a hundred rounds a second, and use two radars... One tracks the target, one tracks the outgoing bullets. A computer just moves the gun until those lines meet. Then you die. Those systems are fully automatic, and incredibly devastating. The carriers also have their own local defensive missiles, just in case you weren't being pounded enough by the carrier's air wing, the SAM missiles, and the Gatling guns.

Problem five: Even if you land ordinance on target, carriers are big, tough, targets that won't be trivial to even significantly damage, let alone sink. Indian crews are EXTREMELY well trained in firefighting and damage control. You will not only need big explosives, but lots and lots of them, to sink a carrier. And that makes getting through steps one to four really hard.

Problem six: Carriers are almost certainly escorted by one or more attack submarines. So if your plan is just to stay out of the air or water surface, you don't get a break.

Problem seven: AWACs like the P-8I will always be on the prowl and can pick up targets like aircraft hundreds of kms away. So before you can say jack, you're going to be blown out of the sky.

Individually, many of these capabilities are closely guarded secrets in terms of details. But it's easy enough to examine the raw capabilities of a carrier battle group. They carry a LOT of defensive armaments. Sinking a carrier would likely involve a very large force that could overwhelm those tremendous defenses, and quite a bit of luck to go along with it. Outside of a handful of major powers, it's doubtful anyone really has this capability in the best of circumstances. And on the open ocean, a carrier is pretty much unsinkable if the commander and crew are doing their job right.

So if you think that a JF-17 with a missile can sink an AC like the Vikramaditya, you must be hallucinating, requiring urgent clinical treatment.
very informative post....but i think he is not even worth it for this detailed post....but its good for indian members.
 
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Couple of years in pdf and I am convinced about the supa supa features of this monster...according to them..It will be used to even take down isro sats...take down gslv while taking off.will obviously take down our acc's and destroyers which are sitting ducks in front of it. ..plus will bring IAF to its knees.

So basically only interplanatary and intergalactic missions are left for the aircraft then!!!! :p::yahoo:
 
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