Philippines Defence Forum

[jhungary]

I respect your expert opinion but Philippines army loves their sniper rifle's bipods with springs and they don't have the time and luxury for two sets of bipods in the middle of terrorist siege. Besides the few bolt-action type sniper rifles of the army have ball-edged charging handles like its MS24s and Robar SR-60s unlike the Chinese' CS/LR4s that China donated recently.

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M24
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And here's a an CS/LR4 chambered, albeit with ball-edge type handle.
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Compare to my smoking gun..
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All images CTTO.
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Most Special Force member like to modify their weapon, it's not about time or anything but rather about personal need. The problem is the Peripheral are usually modded in a way every weapon uses by Special Force member can be distinguish to each individual member, meaning you can literally know who was there by the look of their weapon. The ball edge is actually an add on like a piece of rubber you put on the tip of your pen so you can grip better.

But you cannot change the bolt unless you have the time and money to craft your own, because each bolt have to suit a particular barrel with twist and grooving. To change the bolt, you will need a gunsmith specialise in this (Literally he/she know how to forge a barrel) otherwise if the barrel and the bolt don't match, your weapon will misfire. This is something even an experience gun smith, gun dealer like me cannot do, most of the time if you want to craft a bolt, you will need to go back to the company and ask them to make you one, this do exist from time to time but I don't think Philippine SF have the ability to do that with donated weapon, usually you use as is. However, Scope and Bipod or designator like PEQ-15 are what we call QD (Quick Detachment) you can fix it on your rifle within seconds.

I can very definitely say the weapon used by the sniper in your pic is not a CS/LR4, you can see the barrel is a different shape than a LR4 and the bolt is different. From that angle, it could be either a M24, or L119.

 

[Kulas Mata]

Most Special Force member like to modify their weapon, it's not about time or anything but rather about personal need. The problem is the Peripheral are usually modded in a way every weapon uses by Special Force member can be distinguish to each individual member, meaning you can literally know who was there by the look of their weapon. The ball edge is actually an add on like a piece of rubber you put on the tip of your pen so you can grip better.

But you cannot change the bolt unless you have the time and money to craft your own, because each bolt have to suit a particular barrel with twist and grooving. To change the bolt, you will need a gunsmith specialise in this (Literally he/she know how to forge a barrel) otherwise if the barrel and the bolt don't match, your weapon will misfire. This is something even an experience gun smith, gun dealer like me cannot do, most of the time if you want to craft a bolt, you will need to go back to the company and ask them to make you one, this do exist from time to time but I don't think Philippine SF have the ability to do that with donated weapon, usually you use as is. However, Scope and Bipod or designator like PEQ-15 are what we call QD (Quick Detachment) you can fix it on your rifle within seconds.

I can very definitely say the weapon used by the sniper in your pic is not a CS/LR4, you can see the barrel is a different shape than a LR4 and the bolt is different. From that angle, it could be either a M24, or L119.

I beg to differ, definitely not M24 based on the position of the sniper hand to what seems to be a pistol grip. M24s have a semi-pistol grip. Regarding L119, as far I know Philippine army don't have that in its arsenal. They have a few TAC-50 though, but again its charging handles are all ball-edged. Newly purchased rifles are used as is and seldom goes to modification even by the soldiers themselves. Their pay is barely enough for family upkeep. Only really old rifles such as the Vietnam era M16s and WW2 era M3 submachine guns went into the government arsenal for upgrades and modification.

 

[jhungary]

I beg to differ, definitely not M24 based on the position of the sniper hand to what seems to be a pistol grip. M24s have a semi-pistol grip. Regarding L119, as far I know Philippine army don't have that in its arsenal. They have a few TAC-50 though, but again its charging handles are all ball-edged. Newly purchased rifles are used as is and seldom goes to modification even by the soldiers themselves. Their pay is barely enough for family upkeep. Only really old rifles such as the Vietnam era M16s and WW2 era M3 submachine guns went into the government arsenal for upgrades and modification.
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It could be, if he extended the bolt and ready to shoot. (then the bolt would have covered part of his hand.)

The picture is too grainy to see what he is using, but again, judging by the fact that the bolt and barrel shape, pretty sure it is not a CS/LR4.

Special Force people don't operate the same rules as normal troop or police. Normal soldier don't modify their weapon (In fact in some case you cannot modify a government issue weapon) But most SF does, in fact, I can't think of any SF I met (US or other country) did not modify their weapon to some degree.

But well, anyway, this is a bit off topic and I am just saying the rifle the man use does not looks like a CS/LR4

 

[Cossack25A1]

China's donation of equipments for Marawi Rehabilitation.
CTTO - DPWH Sec. Mark Villar
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Pro-US Philippine media is not showing these in their broadcast.



Lorenzana thanks partner countries for help in Marawi siege
By: Frances Mangosing- Reporter / Philippine Daily Inquirer 03:26 PM October 23, 2017

LARK FREEPORT – Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana on Monday expressed his gratitude to the country’s partner countries that helped in the five-month long Marawi siege.

“We’d like to thank the nations that helped us — China, United States, Australia, Malaysia, Indonesia, also Brunei and Singapore,” he told reporters on the sidelines of the regional security forum of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean).

Lorenzana’s statement came after he declared the termination of combat operations in Marawi City, exactly five months after the fighting between government troops and Islamic State-linked Maute Group erupted.

Asked by a reporter on the difference of the assistance given by China and US in the Marawi crisis, Lorenzana said China provided weapons while the latter helped on the technical side.

“China gave us firearms and ammunition and sniper rifles, while the United States provided technical intelligence,” he said.

China earlier donated thousands of sniper and assault rifles to the Philippines for the Marawi siege. The bulk of the donation went to the Philippine National Police while the sniper rifles were given to the military.

“Some of their (China) rifles were used against the terrorists so they are in the frontlines while the Americans provided us images of the enemy. They have very sophisticated intelligence gathering capability that they offered us,” Lorenzana said.

Unless you do not consider units of 1st Scout Ranger Regiment as special forces then I rest my case.

Apparently it was the Mech Division that killed the terrorist

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/938695...ute-hapilon-maute-marawi-escape-terrorism/amp

http://www.interaksyon.com/watch-wh...rm-took-out-isnilon-hapilon-omarkhayam-maute/

It mentions an RCW and because it was night and there is an M113 when the terrorist were killed based on the drone shot that shows two bodies were taken away into an APC...

And i wonder, will the CC Dragunov or CS/LR4 has thermal scope?

And there's this
https://www.update.ph/2017/07/pnp-to-use-3000-donated-chinese-rifles/18794

 

[cnleio]

I beg to differ, definitely not M24 based on the position of the sniper hand to what seems to be a pistol grip. M24s have a semi-pistol grip. Regarding L119, as far I know Philippine army don't have that in its arsenal. They have a few TAC-50 though, but again its charging handles are all ball-edged ...
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That's not a problem, it's China CS/LR4, it's PLA version not Police version

BTW China also produce M24 clone

 

[cnleio]

Apparently it was the Mech Division that killed the terrorist

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/938695...ute-hapilon-maute-marawi-escape-terrorism/amp

http://www.interaksyon.com/watch-wh...rm-took-out-isnilon-hapilon-omarkhayam-maute/

It mentions an RCW and because it was night and there is an M113 when the terrorist were killed based on the drone shot that shows two bodies were taken away into an APC...

And i wonder, will the CC Dragunov or CS/LR4 has thermal scope?

And there's this
https://www.update.ph/2017/07/pnp-to-use-3000-donated-chinese-rifles/18794

I don't know whether China government donated Infrared imaging devices to Philippines Army ... if yes, ur soldiers can shoot the target at night.

 

[cnleio]

If China government donated China Type10 sniper rifle to Philippines Army ... on the rifle already equipping infrared thermal scope + laser range finder, the Philippines soldiers also can shoot the target at night.

 

[katarabhumi]

2 Indonesia navy ships to visit Mindanao
Wednesday, October 25, 2017 By Juliet C. Revita

TWO Indonesian navy ships will arrive in Mindanao for a three-day goodwill visit starting on October 29 at Makar Wharf, General Santos City as Indonesia seeks to further improve relationship and closer cooperation with the Philippines.

Lieutenant James Reyes, spokesperson of Naval Forces of Eastern Mindanao (NFEM), these Indonesian vessels are Kri Sultan Hasanuddin-366 and Kri Sultan Iskandar Muda-377, which will dock on Sunday until November 1.

He added that part of the visit includes courtesy calls of the Indonesian navies to different security forces including Joint Task Force Gensan, Philippine National Police (PNP) Maritime Group, and the City Mayor of General Santos.

"Likewise, there will also be a hosted dinner reception between two navies and goodwill games among participating security forces and the Indonesian Navy," he said.

There will also a public viewing or shipboard tour onboard the two Indonesian vessels which will be open on October 30 to 31 from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Last July, the annual coordinated marine patrol exercise between Philippines and Indonesia, dubbed as Corpat Philiindo 2017, kicked off in Davao City wherein both navies conducted joint exercises geared to strengthen common boundaries against maritime threats to prevent lawless armed groups from using the southern part as point of entry.

Meanwhile, NFEM will hold its Unilateral Fleet Training Exercise within Davao Gulf which involves its floating assets within Naval Task Group 71 area of responsibility from October 24 to 28 under Commander, Task Force Seahawk.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2017/10/25/2-indonesia-navy-ships-visit-mindanao-571223

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[Kulas Mata]

Apparently it was the Mech Division that killed the terrorist

It mentions an RCW and because it was night and there is an M113 when the terrorist were killed based on the drone shot that shows two bodies were taken away into an APC...

And i wonder, will the CC Dragunov or CS/LR4 has thermal scope?

Excerpt from the Philippine Daily Inquirer:

Armed Forces of the Philippines chief of staff Gen. Eduardo Año declined to comment when asked if President Rodrigo’s claim that Chinese rifles were used to kill Isnilon Hapilon and Omar Maute, the top leaders of the Marawi siege.

"I won’t answer that question, but Chinese sniper rifles were used by soldiers who fought in Marawi. If I’m not mistaken those were LR4As, very effective."

Gen. Año had said that Hapilon was shot in the chest while Maute was killed by sniper shot in the head.

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Let me just drop it here, its bad PR for the US to pay for the Reward Money on a wanted terrorist killed by Chinese precision sniper rifle. I can only imagine the headlines and the implication. Maybe in time when things subsides, details will be revealed.

Whether that donated Chinese sniper rifles comes with thermal scope imaging no information so far. But it would not be far fetched to think China must've pass a few of them to the Philippine Army but away from the public eyes.

That's not a problem, it's China CS/LR4, it's PLA version not Police version

My favorite pic...wrap rags on the barrel, bingo!

 

[Cossack25A1]

Excerpt from the Philippine Daily Inquirer:

Armed Forces of the Philippines chief of staff Gen. Eduardo Año declined to comment when asked if President Rodrigo’s claim that Chinese rifles were used to kill Isnilon Hapilon and Omar Maute, the top leaders of the Marawi siege.

"I won’t answer that question, but Chinese sniper rifles were used by soldiers who fought in Marawi. If I’m not mistaken those were LR4As, very effective."

Gen. Año had said that Hapilon was shot in the chest while Maute was killed by sniper shot in the head.

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Let me just drop it here, its bad PR for the US to pay for the Reward Money on a wanted terrorist killed by Chinese precision sniper rifle. I can only imagine the headlines and the implication. Maybe in time when things subsides, details will be revealed.

Whether that donated Chinese sniper rifles comes with thermal scope imaging no information so far. But it would not be far fetched to think China must've pass a few of them to the Philippine Army but away from the public eyes.

Why post only an excerpt from an article and not the whole thing, like not mentioning another excerpt in the article

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/940448...o-isnilon-hapilon-omar-maute-china-rifles/amp

 

[Kulas Mata]

Why post only an excerpt from an article and not the whole thing, like not mentioning another excerpt in the article

No ill intent whatsoever. I just want to highlight the part that supports my assumptions. There's no question on the use of remotely controlled weapon that iced Hapilon in the first place. Only on what at type of sniper rifle that got Maute that is in contention. Besides, I don't have the privilege yet to post direct Internet link to the article source for now.

 

[Kulas Mata]

PNP-Special Action Force contingent back to barracks after ISIS-Maute defeat in Marawi.

All image credit to PNP-PIO

 

[Svantana]

Battle of Marawi documentary

 

[Hindustani78]

Philippines Air Force (PAF) personnel, deployed in the war-torn Marawi city, march during a Heroes’ Welcome ceremony at the PAF headquarters in Pasay city, metro Manila, Philippines, on Monday. — Reuters

 

[Cossack25A1]

We don't have any scopes from China, only from US and Turkey

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/adas-2016-aselsan-achieves-first-a100-export/

During the second ADAS 2016 exhibition in Manila, Shephard received further details of Aselsan’s sale of A100 night vision devices to the Philippines.

The Turkish company is fulfilling a PHP712.069 million ($15.4 million) order for 4,464 monocular devices for the Philippine Army.

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http://www.defencereviewasia.com/articles/172/FIGHT-TONIGHT-NIGHT-VISION-PROGRAMMES-IN-ASIA

The Philippines obviously benefits greatly from American financial and military assistance. The newest NVG for the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is the EOTech M914A (a version of the AN/PVS-14). By May 2010, the Philippines had received 2,351 M914A goggles from Nightline Inc in the USA. Most sets went to the army to assist operations in the restive southern region of Mindanao. There are still not enough to go around, however. Several years ago when the author visited the Naval Special Operations Group (NAVSOG), one member admitted there was often only one set per eight-man team instead of the desired rate of one per member. Aircraft and helicopter pilots now perform regular night missions thanks to US training and equipment.