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[Aepsilons]

As an additional note, after the Jabidah incident, a group of radicals Muslims led by Nur Misuari created the Moro National Liberation Front which aims an independent Moro state. Their armed uprising is said to be inspired by armed struggle the CPP-NPA is conducting during those times.

It seems that even the leaders of 'rebellions' even tried being career politicians. If I'm not mistaken, Misuari was Governor of the Autonomous Muslim Mindanao Region, right? It behooves me why he abrogated that position when he involved himself with that foolhardy shooting incident with the Philippine Army two years ago.

I mean no offense when I say this, amigo @Cossack25A1 , but I do believe you Filipinos are way, way too forgiving. In my country, these types of individuals would be tried and declared traitors to the nation and hanged by the neck until dead. Or, if they prefer to salvage their honor, it would be made known to them that if they wish-- they may commit hara kiri to at least -- save some sort of honor.

You Filipinos are very forgiving, to a flaw....

 

[Cossack25A1]

It seems that even the leaders of 'rebellions' even tried being career politicians. If I'm not mistaken, Misuari was Governor of the Autonomous Muslim Mindanao Region, right? It behooves me why he abrogated that position when he involved himself with that foolhardy shooting incident with the Philippine Army two years ago.

I mean no offense when I say this, amigo @Cossack25A1 , but I do believe you Filipinos are way, way too forgiving. In my country, these types of individuals would be tried and declared traitors to the nation and hanged by the neck until dead. Or, if they prefer to salvage their honor, it would be made known to them that if they wish-- they may commit hara kiri to at least -- save some sort of honor.

You Filipinos are very forgiving, to a flaw....

Yup and he failed spectacularly.

I am aware of this flaw that my countrymen has and to be honest, I hate it; I hate that we extremely forgiving. This is basically the result of Catholic belief. Sadly, our politicians on the other hand are way too shameless to admit that they are wrong and worse, most of the Filipinos are either apathetic or have been swayed by the media excessively, making majority of the Filipinos blind to all the dirty politics our public servants are playing.

 

[Ayan81]

I wonder if it is possible to mount the 1-meter turret on top of the M113, similar to the ones found in V-150s and Simba APCs.




Is this foreign or local? If this is local, is this a development of the MX-8 or a new vehicle.

I prefer AFP to go independent on this one. Its time we built our own RCWS Mapua has to step up and go with Trident III, the first/second one looks needs a lot of improvement, forget asking funds from the AFP, Mapua has to tap private investors in this project. A stabilized night capable RCWS can improve the efficiency of the V-150's and the incoming A2's.

No, SPECTEC Trading is from Israel, maybe they are here to push the sale of the Tiger to the PNP SAF. Marami na kasi casualties sa ambush ng NPA.

Convert 1 into a gun ship.

Better convert both of them to a palletized 'roll-on roll-off' maritime patrol aircraft while maintining its primary role for HADR missions.

Salamat , amigo. Ako -- hinay hinay basta kanu-nay ...

Sakto gyud ka bai, bahalag hinay basta kanunay

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POPE MOBILE JEEPNEY STYLE

 

[Aepsilons]

POPE MOBILE JEEPNEY STYLE

This is going to be so awesome ! You will have to update us on His Holiness' visit to the Philippines.

 

[Cossack25A1]

New buzz words, targets: P600B for AFP modernization
Defense officials want everyone to drop the buzz phrase 'minimum credible deterrence' and instead use 'credible deterrence' as the motivation for the AFP's modernization
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Carmela Fonbuena
Published 9:00 AM, Jan 10, 2015
Updated 9:00 AM, Jan 10, 2015
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MANILA, Philippines – There are new buzz words and new targets that observers of the modernization efforts of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) need to know.

There's first horizon and second horizon – your first two buzz words – as defense officials are now discussing the “second horizon” of AFP modernization as the “first horizon” makes significant advances.

The first horizon refers to the P90.86 billion (US$ 2,024,360,800/ CNY 12,479,621,000) allocation provided by the Aquino administration under the Revised AFP Modernization law seeking to modernize the military in the wake of China’s aggression in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

It is not much compared to the defense budgets of neighboring countries but it has been the most aggressive modernization by one of Asia’s weakest militaries.

The first horizon, which is set to be completed by 2017, includes the 12 fighter jets – two of which are arriving at the end of the year – and the long-delayed two frigates that the Department of National Defense (DND) is hoping to bid out in the first quarter. These are the two big-ticket items in a list of 91 projects funded by the P90-billion (US$ 2,005,200,000/ CNY 12,361,500,000) modernization fund.

As most of these items await deliveries, defense officials want everyone to drop the buzz phrase “minimum credible deterrence” as the motivation for the modernization. The goal now is “credible deterrence” because how does one measure “minimum” anyway, asked one official.


Note to Aquino successor

Defense officials are now in the thick of meetings to identify priorities under the “second horizon” of modernization slated between 2018 and 2023.

DND Undersecretary for Finance, Munitions and Materiel Fernando Manalo said it’s premature to enumerate the items but it will focus on areas of concern.

“The second horizon will probably be heavy on HADR (Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Response) and the West Philippine Sea and not so much on the ISO (International Security Operations) because we are expecting that ISO will not be so intense in the next 5 years and what we have already acquired should be sufficient to address ISO,” said Manalo.

This should mean additional frigates for the Philippine Navy to complete its minimum requirement of 6 frigates to effectively patrol the country’s waters and the possible acquisition of multi-role fighters, which is more sophisticated than the FA-50 lead-in fighter trainers that the PAF are getting.

Based on Manalo’s estimates, the second horizon will need a budget that is “much higher than [the] P90 billion (US$ 2,005,200,000/ CNY 12,361,500,000)” allocated for the first horizon. It is a commitment that the security sector will need to get from the successor of President Benigno Aquino III who is stepping down in 2016.

Manalo said the J5 (Office of the AFP deputy chief of staff for plans) and the Office of the assistant secretary for plans and programs are finalizing the list for the second horizon.

“I think within the year, the Department of National Defense will be able to submit the proposed modernization for the second horizon,” Manalo added.


Third horizon to complete the P600-B requirement

There is a “third horizon” in the pipeline – covering the period 2024-2028 – in the hope that the second horizon will not meet the fate of the original AFP Modernization law – the precursor of the Revised AFP Modernization law – that promised P330 billion (US$ 7,352,400,000/ CNY 45,325,500,000) in modernization funds but went pfft.

Manalo could not give estimates on the cost of the third horizon but all 3 horizons, he said, should “not less than twice” the original funding provided by the original law, meaning, P660 billion (US$ 14,704,800,000/ CNY 90,651,000,000). – Rappler.com

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New buzz words, targets: P600B for AFP modernization

 

[Aepsilons]

New buzz words, targets: P600B for AFP modernization
Defense officials want everyone to drop the buzz phrase 'minimum credible deterrence' and instead use 'credible deterrence' as the motivation for the AFP's modernization
-----
Carmela Fonbuena
Published 9:00 AM, Jan 10, 2015
Updated 9:00 AM, Jan 10, 2015
-----

MANILA, Philippines – There are new buzz words and new targets that observers of the modernization efforts of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) need to know.

There's first horizon and second horizon – your first two buzz words – as defense officials are now discussing the “second horizon” of AFP modernization as the “first horizon” makes significant advances.

The first horizon refers to the P90.86 billion (US$ 2,024,360,800/ CNY 12,479,621,000) allocation provided by the Aquino administration under the Revised AFP Modernization law seeking to modernize the military in the wake of China’s aggression in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

It is not much compared to the defense budgets of neighboring countries but it has been the most aggressive modernization by one of Asia’s weakest militaries.

The first horizon, which is set to be completed by 2017, includes the 12 fighter jets – two of which are arriving at the end of the year – and the long-delayed two frigates that the Department of National Defense (DND) is hoping to bid out in the first quarter. These are the two big-ticket items in a list of 91 projects funded by the P90-billion (US$ 2,005,200,000/ CNY 12,361,500,000) modernization fund.

As most of these items await deliveries, defense officials want everyone to drop the buzz phrase “minimum credible deterrence” as the motivation for the modernization. The goal now is “credible deterrence” because how does one measure “minimum” anyway, asked one official.


Note to Aquino successor

Defense officials are now in the thick of meetings to identify priorities under the “second horizon” of modernization slated between 2018 and 2023.

DND Undersecretary for Finance, Munitions and Materiel Fernando Manalo said it’s premature to enumerate the items but it will focus on areas of concern.

“The second horizon will probably be heavy on HADR (Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Response) and the West Philippine Sea and not so much on the ISO (International Security Operations) because we are expecting that ISO will not be so intense in the next 5 years and what we have already acquired should be sufficient to address ISO,” said Manalo.

This should mean additional frigates for the Philippine Navy to complete its minimum requirement of 6 frigates to effectively patrol the country’s waters and the possible acquisition of multi-role fighters, which is more sophisticated than the FA-50 lead-in fighter trainers that the PAF are getting.

Based on Manalo’s estimates, the second horizon will need a budget that is “much higher than [the] P90 billion (US$ 2,005,200,000/ CNY 12,361,500,000)” allocated for the first horizon. It is a commitment that the security sector will need to get from the successor of President Benigno Aquino III who is stepping down in 2016.

Manalo said the J5 (Office of the AFP deputy chief of staff for plans) and the Office of the assistant secretary for plans and programs are finalizing the list for the second horizon.

“I think within the year, the Department of National Defense will be able to submit the proposed modernization for the second horizon,” Manalo added.


Third horizon to complete the P600-B requirement

There is a “third horizon” in the pipeline – covering the period 2024-2028 – in the hope that the second horizon will not meet the fate of the original AFP Modernization law – the precursor of the Revised AFP Modernization law – that promised P330 billion (US$ 7,352,400,000/ CNY 45,325,500,000) in modernization funds but went pfft.

Manalo could not give estimates on the cost of the third horizon but all 3 horizons, he said, should “not less than twice” the original funding provided by the original law, meaning, P660 billion (US$ 14,704,800,000/ CNY 90,651,000,000). – Rappler.com

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New buzz words, targets: P600B for AFP modernization

The Philippines has one of the highest GDPs in the entire ASEAN (in the same league with Malaysia-Thailand). Thus, it should also maintain a defense spending of at least 1-2% of the GDP.

Her GDP is $290 Billion (same as Israel's, btw). And thus if she allocates at least 2% to defense spending --- it would be $5.8 Billion per annum. That's enough to maintain a robust defense force --- in proportion to the size of the Philippines.

 

[Cossack25A1]

The Philippines has one of the highest GDPs in the entire ASEAN (in the same league with Malaysia-Thailand). Thus, it should also maintain a defense spending of at least 1-2% of the GDP.

Her GDP is $290 Billion (same as Israel's, btw). And thus if she allocates at least 2% to defense spending --- it would be $5.8 Billion per annum. That's enough to maintain a robust defense force --- in proportion to the size of the Philippines.

This would be possible if corruption is not rampant because most politicians would rather care more about their political standing and piggy banks.

 

[Ayan81]

“The second horizon will probably be heavy on HADR (Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Response) and the West Philippine Sea and not so much on the ISO (International Security Operations) because we are expecting that ISO will not be so intense in the next 5 years and what we have already acquired should be sufficient to address ISO,” said Manalo.

External security not important in the next 5 years? WTH, they already expecting a win on the tribunal. It should be the other way around focusing HADR on the first phase then concentrate on the ISO on the second/third phase.

The Philippines has one of the highest GDPs in the entire ASEAN (in the same league with Malaysia-Thailand). Thus, it should also maintain a defense spending of at least 1-2% of the GDP.

Her GDP is $290 Billion (same as Israel's, btw). And thus if she allocates at least 2% to defense spending --- it would be $5.8 Billion per annum. That's enough to maintain a robust defense force --- in proportion to the size of the Philippines.

True, 5 billion would be enough for the AFP till 2020. 1 billion per year to buy wares to catch for decades of neglect while the rest of 4 billion is enough for the yearly expenses, maintenance, etc.

 

[DarkElf]

This article is interesting, if it's true. Apparently Philliphine is not laggard at all in defense spending. You guys spend as much as Vietnam, percentage wise even higher than Malay and Indo, without much result to speak. No wonder you guys always complain about corruption......
Indo-Pacific Review Fear Us: Military Expenditures in Southeast Asia - Indo-Pacific Review

Vietnam

What is fascinating and surprising about Vietnam is that although their defense expenditure is very close to the Philippines, Hanoi has been able to do so much more with it than Manila. There is not a country in Southeast Asia that has brought more military capabilities on line in as short a time as Vietnam.

Vietnamese military spending increased by 270 percent between 2004-2013. Within that decade, military expenditures averaged 2.25 percent of GDP. This has allowed Vietnam to add several new squadrons of advanced Russian jet fighters, purchase a fleet of six Kilo-class submarines, and add several new Gephard Class frigates and two Dutch-built corvettes to its fleet. Vietnam has also stepped up indigenous production of naval vessels and ballistic missiles.

 

[Cossack25A1]

I wonder if the ERC 90 Sagaie/Lynx is a good platform to complement or replace the PH Marine Corps' LAV-300s (as well as replacing the resurrected LVTH-6 Amtracks) that are in service as the vehicle is all-terrain and amphibious and there are no signs of support for BMP-3 acquisition.

 

[Ayan81]

Photos of the two recently delivered AW-109 helicopters for the Philippine Navy, with assembly still incomplete. As they required to go for localized testing and checking before acceptance.

Photo from Maxdefense Facebook
MaxDefense - Philippine and Asian Defense Issues | Facebook

I wonder if the ERC 90 Sagaie/Lynx is a good platform to complement or replace the PH Marine Corps' LAV-300s (as well as replacing the resurrected LVTH-6 Amtracks) that are in service as the vehicle is all-terrain and amphibious and there are no signs of support for BMP-3 acquisition.

Satisfied pa cguro sila sa performance ng V-150 at LAV, kung sa tutuusin hindi naman kailangan palitan agad, upgrade cguro uu.

 

[Zero_wing]

Why hindi dapat striker or BMP pwede pa

 

[Cossack25A1]

Satisfied pa cguro sila sa performance ng V-150 at LAV, kung sa tutuusin hindi naman kailangan palitan agad, upgrade cguro uu.

Well the LVTH-6 needs to be replaced as we will be receiving the AAVP in the future and I am not sure if we can afford to maintain the LVTH-6; also its size makes it less mobile.

 

[Zero_wing]

Well the LVTH-6 needs to be replaced as we will be receiving the AAVP in the future and I am not sure if we can afford to maintain the LVTH-6; also its size makes it less mobile.

So its basicly the AAVPs and the BMPs if we can buy Russian that is

 

[Cossack25A1]

So its basicly the AAVPs and the BMPs if we can buy Russian that is

The Stridsvagn 103 (or S-Tank) is said to be amphibious and best of all, it is no longer used by the Swedish military. Mayber we can buy this from them if the plans for BMP-3 is not pursued.