Philippines Defence Forum

[Cossack25A1]

the bird still has many flaws. the german airforce has ordered 53 aircraft for $10b with delivery 2009. now airbus has promised to deliver the first one midle of 2015. France is keen to export the aircaft, because the country needs to secure the jobs at their factories.

you are US ally. why not ask uncle sam for some air transporters such as C-17, perhaps second hand?

Uncle Sam doesn't trust us that much with more advance weapons.

 

[Viet]

Uncle Sam doesn't trust us that much with more advance weapons.

you are US ally with mutual defence treaty or not?

well, I can understand the US was not amused as you closed their bases some years ago. but now, with the US pivot to Asia, the Yankees should support your military build-up. Or is there anything I miss in the picture?

 

[Ayan81]

the bird still has many flaws. the german airforce has ordered 53 aircraft for $10b with delivery 2009. now airbus has promised to deliver the first one midle of 2015. France is keen to export the aircaft, because the country needs to secure the jobs at their factories.

you are US ally. why not ask uncle sam for some air transporters such as C-17, perhaps second hand?

Last week the Philippines and France signed a Defense Cooperation Agreement (DCA) thus enables the French government to assist the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP). When such DCA is signed, expect a deal to be made like from Canada (bell 412's), South Korea (FA-50's), Indonesia (SeaLift Vessel), France? (No News Yet).

Airbus which is a french company won the bid for the supply of medium lift for the PAF. STX France is one of the qualified bidders in the frigate and MBDA System is offering assorted missile system for upcoming/current air and naval assets.

With dwindling customers, French are desperate to keep the operations going and save cost thus offering us the plane cash or loan. Airbus is also working to promote the Phil as hub for aircraft parts in Asia. They must be thinking you must help us first so we can help you.

It all depends on us whether we accept it or not, is having old C130's cost effective in the long run? or we go for newer platform. Is their a requirement for a heavy transport?

Uncle Sam doesn't trust us that much with more advance weapons.

Its not about trust, why would you even be thinking about that. They offered 2 squadrons of f16's and you still say that they don't trust us?

 

[Cossack25A1]

Its not about trust, why would you even be thinking about that. They offered 2 squadrons of f16's and you still say that they don't trust us?

Then they could have offered us the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate instead of the Hamilton-class cutters and C models of the F-16 and/or F/A-18 because I feel that the F-16s they offer are the "A" models..


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you are US ally with mutual defence treaty or not?

well, I can understand the US was not amused as you closed their bases some years ago. but now, with the US pivot to Asia, the Yankees should support your military build-up. Or is there anything I miss in the picture?

Yes we are but I doubt that they will give us any advance weapons without anything in return.

 

[Ayan81]

Then they could have offered us the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate instead of the Hamilton-class cutters and C models of the F-16 and/or F/A-18 because I feel that the F-16s they offer are the "A" models..





Yes we are but I doubt that they will give us any advance weapons without anything in return.

We request for the hamilton not the OHP's. the deal for the f16's is free of charge we just have to pay for the refurbishment and upgrade it to C/D's.

 

[Zero_wing]

the bird still has many flaws. the german airforce has ordered 53 aircraft for $10b with delivery 2009. now airbus has promised to deliver the first one midle of 2015. France is keen to export the aircaft, because the country needs to secure the jobs at their factories.

you are US ally. why not ask uncle sam for some air transporters such as C-17, perhaps second hand?

It was not offered the US is pretty hard on military hardware why do you think we buying from other countries the American only gives us what they want to give us and what both sides agree to give and with congress blessings not unless US congress changes its position on thier alliance list it would hard for us to get anything from them Ya you can think the old Emperor of Iran for the US position on sales arms to its allies or even give them arms grants.

Besides a C17 is a good white elephant we can make use of but cant maintain anyway it would far be better for the Philippines to buy C27s and C295s in huge numbers.

We request for the hamilton not the OHP's. the deal for the f16's is free of charge we just have to pay for the refurbishment and upgrade it to C/D's.

Its been discuss to death here kababayans the OHPs and refurbishing old blocks of the F16s is expensives remember the F8 gave us a huge leap but in the end we simply did not have the Facilities or the money to keep them in operation care for a repeat of that? We have to build slowly and surely this time hey dont get me wrong if its up to me i buy a whole airforce to match the Imperial maoist threat right down to best trainers and equipment but simply we have to match our needs and our limitations in this case cash so as much as i want to buy F15s and F18s and the latest block 60s F16s we have no cash to maintain, operate this planes plus the training for the crew and the pilots. If we did this erlier sure it would be possible to have a few units but sadly our parents and our grandparents are stupid voters who elect stupid people in offfice with no dreams or vission for our country sad but true if only if we have leaders who actually love this country we would not be in this weak state lucky for us President Aquino does care a little to make things happen but the local maoist Sc#m just put their political dreams over the good of the country again sad but true but again we have to keep the fate and vote smart in the next election for people who give a flying F about the Philippines and continues the improvements of the current administration.

 

[Ayan81]

It was not offered the US is pretty hard on military hardware why do you think we buying from other countries the American only gives us what they want to give us and what both sides agree to give and with congress blessings not unless US congress changes its position on thier alliance list it would hard for us to get anything from them Ya you can think the old Emperor of Iran for the US position on sales arms to its allies or even give them arms grants.

Besides a C17 is a good white elephant we can make use of but cant maintain anyway it would far be better for the Philippines to buy C27s and C295s in huge numbers.



Its been discuss to death here kababayans the OHPs and refurbishing old blocks of the F16s is expensives remember the F8 gave us a huge leap but in the end we simply did not have the Facilities or the money to keep them in operation care for a repeat of that? We have to build slowly and surely this time hey dont get me wrong if its up to me i buy a whole airforce to match the Imperial maoist threat right down to best trainers and equipment but simply we have to match our needs and our limitations in this case cash so as much as i want to buy F15s and F18s and the latest block 60s F16s we have no cash to maintain, operate this planes plus the training for the crew and the pilots. If we did this erlier sure it would be possible to have a few units but sadly our parents and our grandparents are stupid voters who elect stupid people in offfice with no dreams or vission for our country sad but true if only if we have leaders who actually love this country we would not be in this weak state lucky for us President Aquino does care a little to make things happen but the local maoist Sc#m just put their political dreams over the good of the country again sad but true but again we have to keep the fate and vote smart in the next election for people who give a flying F about the Philippines and continues the improvements of the current administration.

Im not implying we get f16's. Im just replying to the post earlier.

Newer planes will serve us better than those refurbished ones. It will be more cost effective to maintain and will last 15 years+

 

[Cossack25A1]

I would place more emphasis on looking elsewhere for weapons than to rely heavily on Uncle Sam alone.

I would prefer either the Rafale or JAS 39 than the F-16.

 

[Ayan81]

MV Karagatan, The Ship of the Chinese Communist
The history reveals how the Communist Government of China supported the NPA rebels of this country. The Chinese provided them weapons to be used in their revolt against the government.

 

[Zero_wing]

Im not implying we get f16's. Im just replying to the post earlier.

Newer planes will serve us better than those refurbished ones. It will be more cost effective to maintain and will last 15 years+

Yes New planes are better am just saying the PAF does not want other F8 experince with F16 we simply cant affored that right now so its just upgrades for now hey like every real filipino i wanna see the AFP on per of all the militaries of the world simply reality is that our past leadership were stupid and we have maoist triators in congress and society at large that is adding to our problems next to corrupt officials and the stupid voters we simple need to vote smart and do what we can to stop this selfish people in our country and support our nation through it.

 

[Ayan81]

Philippine army latest inventory 12 units of KM503 tractor truck + trailer for transporting heavy equipment's like armoured personnel carrier,M113,AIFV and incoming assets M113A2,155mm artillery

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Philippine Navy Seals emerge from the water as part of their training at the Philippine Navy headquarters in Sangley Point, Cavite city, south of Manila September 26, 2014.

 

[Cossack25A1]

A slightly different news
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Rare Carnelian bead, Chinese artifacts found in Aklan
(philstar.com) | Updated September 16, 2014 - 8:00pm

KALIBO, Philippines (Xinhua) - A rare Carnelian bead and Chinese artifacts, possibly dating back to the Ming Dynasty, were found by local archaeologists in Aklan.

Archaeologists from the National Museum of the Philippines said today that they have also discovered decorated earthenware, glass beads and human teeth in two caves located in Tigayon village in this town.

The National Museum excavated the caves of Tigayon Hill for four days after getting information that it is a treasure trove of cultural and archaeological artifacts.

Giovanni Bautista, a researcher at the National Museum, said the Carnelian bead is a semi-precious gem stone that is used as jewelry in some parts of the world.

The rare bead is trapezoid-shaped and is said to date back to the 16th century.

"What puzzles us is why a Cornelian bead was found at the caves here. The Chinese traders may have brought it here. Since we have seen only one piece, we believe there are more of these gems in the caves," said Bautista, adding that it was their "most important and interesting find."

He said he would recommend to the National Museum to conduct more diggings in other caves in Tigayon Hill.

Archaeologists noted that the first cave where they conducted excavation was a burial site while the second one appeared to have served as a place for making ceramics.

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Rare Carnelian bead, Chinese artifacts found in Aklan | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
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Rare bead artifact found in Aklan
by Jun Aguirre, September 16, 2014

KALIBO, Aklan—A rare type of bead has been found during the four-day archaeological digging inside two caves in Kalibo, Aklan.

National Museum Researcher Giovanni Bautista said the team found a piece of Carnelian bead, which is a semi-precious gem stone that is used as jewelry in India, Brazil, Siberia and Germany.

“What puzzles us is why a Carnelian bead has been found at the caves,” said Bautista, who led the three-man research team of the National Museum.

“The Chinese traders may have brought it here. Since we had only seen one piece, we believe they are still more of them that have to be unearthed,” added Bautista.

The National Museum team also found 15 kilos of teeth, earthen wares and other Chinese artifacts believed to trace back during the Ming Dynasty.

Bautista noted that the two caves of Tigayon Hill, which is the highest peak in Aklan, have different characteristics.

“The first cave may have been a burial site,” said Bautista as it is where the 15 kilos of human teeth were found.

“The second cave was where most artifacts were found including the ceramics,” he said.

With little time to explore the other caves, Bautista reiterated he will suggest to the National Museum to conduct more diggings at Tigayon Hill.

It was the local government of Kalibo that requested the National Museum to conduct archaeological excavation to provide more information that will boost its historical and cultural tourism.

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Rare bead artifact found in Aklan | Manila Bulletin | Latest Breaking News | News Philippines

 

[Cossack25A1]

I wonder if the Phase 2 of the Army modernization will have this type of M113s since the 105mm tank destroyer M113 would have been likely be develop from scratch.

Maybe Israel can modify M113s armed with something like this but uses Spike ATGMs and a .50 caliber machine gun for protection.

 

[Dante]

I would place more emphasis on looking elsewhere for weapons than to rely heavily on Uncle Sam alone.

I would prefer either the Rafale or JAS 39 than the F-16.

I think it's not a bad thing relying on the US, I'm sure US is more than willing helping the Philippines with fighter and other military hardwares

I think the major obstacle for both nation are that the US is no longer able to spend more money to its allies and friend, and the Philippines govt are not yet ready to fully commit building its military, in which is reflected on its defense budget

 

[Zero_wing]

you are US ally with mutual defence treaty or not?

well, I can understand the US was not amused as you closed their bases some years ago. but now, with the US pivot to Asia, the Yankees should support your military build-up. Or is there anything I miss in the picture?

Well one the US congress is and always the deciding factor of foreign sales the US makes so in their end what congress does not want to sell or like to is up to the US congress second the DND is looking at other countries namely South Korea, France, Italy, Germany and Israel and others sources due to our budget limitations so its not like we dont want US military Items we have to fit them over our limited budget.

I think it's not a bad thing relying on the US, I'm sure US is more than willing helping the Philippines with fighter and other military hardwares

I think the major obstacle for both nation are that the US is no longer able to spend more money to its allies and friend, and the Philippines govt are not yet ready to fully commit building its military, in which is reflected on its defense budget

No we are its just we have a budget and its limited second the US items on offer is good but we simply dont want a repeat of the F8 3rd we are looking more other sources like South Korea, EU (mostly Poland, France, Germany and Italy and some in iteams form the UK) and Israel possibily Sweden and Russia to fit our budget and for strategic proposes as well.