PHILIPPINES complain to UN about China ‘intrusions’

[Martian2]

Yes, only china is greed and aggressive in South Sea!

yes yes yes, VIETNAM and ASEAN should respond with military might if china nation dares to encroach into VIETNAM and EASEAN territory.

Try to educate yourself about the history of the South China Seas and China's rock-solid thousand-year-old claims before making untrue accusations against China.

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Little Vietnam thinks it's a world power and challenges continental China over its historical claims to the Paracel Islands. In any military engagement, China steamrolls Vietnam. Chinese sovereignty over Paracel Islands will no longer be an issue. The Chinese discovered the Paracel Islands first and no amount of Vietnamese complaints can overcome that immutable fact.

Paracel Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The coast belonged to the Kingdom of Cauchi China. Map of Europe, Africa and ... There are some Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from ..."

"China
618~1279

* There are some Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras[12][note 1], and there is some evidence of Chinese habitation on the islands in these periods.[13]."

 

[siegecrossbow]

The problem is most South East Asian countries started claiming the islands as theirs AFTER the 1980s, when resource was found in the area. Before this they agreed to China's boundary. You can't accuse China of invading the area because of this.

 

[Martian2]

In their civil war, North Vietnam (i.e. Democratic Republic of Vietnam or DRV) conquered South Vietnam and became the government of an unified Vietnam. Let's hear it directly from the DRV's mouth with regards to Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel Islands.

Please ignore the revisionist excuses and convoluted re-interpretations offered by a mere Vietnamese researcher, Mr. Truong Nhan Tuan, to personally invalidate the statements and actions of the government of the DRV. Focus on the facts and the DRV statements.

The important point is that it is ridiculous for the Vietnamese government to pretend that its former admissions and acknowledgments of Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel Islands didn't happen because it is inconvenient for the current Vietnamese plan of grabbing territory from China. Out of their own mouths, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam agreed that the Paracel Islands belong to China. Here are the most important excerpts.

"Truong Nhan Tuan: Based on a number of documents from Peking, on 15/6/1956 the Vice Foreign Minister of the DRV Ung Van Khiem, at the time of hosting a visit from the Chinese temporary ambassador in Vietnam, spoke the following: “According to documents that Vietnam has presently, historically speaking, Tay Sa and Nam Sa islands belong to China.”

Nguyen An: Tay Sa and Nam Sa means the Paracel and Spratly islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes, the Paracel and Spratly islands....China also presents other evidence, such as the incident of Le Loc (Temporary Head of the Asian Mission) also present at that time adding that: “From a historical perspective, the archipelagos of Xi Sa and Nan Sa (Tay Sa and Nam Sa) belonged to China since the T’ang dynasty.

Nguyen An: Le Loc is a person of China or of the DRV?

Truong Nhan Tuan: An official of the DRV."
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"Nguyen An: Are there other evidence from the DRV presented by China regarding sovereignty?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes. The famous one is the diplomatic note of Pham Van Dong, written on 14/9/1958 which admits the territorial waters declared by China a few days before. The Chinese declaration was that the archipelagos of Hoang Sa, Nam Sa, and Truong Sa belonged to China.

Nguyen An: So it was an admittance of Chinese sovereignty over these islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: In reality, there is nothing in the content of the letter that explicitly states admittance of Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands becaue the letter only states that Vietnam “make notes and admits the declaration of China regarding territorial waters of China” but does not mention about sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos.

What makes the justification somewhat weak is because during the war, when the Chinese navy invaded the Paracel islands in 1974, there was no objection from the DRV. This silence becomes a weighty piece of evidence for China to claim that Vietnam had admmitted Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos already.

Nguyen An: Based on what you just presented, is this the reason why Qin Gang (Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson) commented that Vietnam’s position regarding sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos changed over different periods of time?

Truong Nhan Tuan: This is correct. But the legal significance is not simple. Declarations made by officials in North Vietnam at that time may be a reality. The fact that Peking presents them without protestations or justifications from Hanoi tells us that it is probably true."

http://paracelspratlyislands.blogspot.com/...te-between.html

"The History of Sovereignty Dispute between Vietnam and China

21/12/2007
Nguyen An
Radio Free Asia

The issue of sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos is creating a lot of discussions among the Vietnamese people in as well as outside Vietnam. While Vietnam has established sovereignty over these archipelagos for a long time, other countries also declare their sovereignty as well. As for China, it not only uses military force to gradually take over a number of islands, but recently, it also decided to establish an administrative city to oversee these islands.

In order to contribute to a deeper understanding of the present situation, RFA Vietnamese reporter Nguyen An has had an exchange with the researcher Truong Nhan Tuan. He is presently living in France and is the author of the book entitled “Chinese and Vietnamese Borders, 1885-2000: History of development and disputes” published by Diem Chau Publishing Company. The book has 860 pages and is judged as a valuable work of research.

Geographical location and sovereignty

Nguyen An: Greetings to you Mr. Truong Nhan Tuan. The first question I would like to ask you is about the geographical location of the Paracel and Spratly islands. These two archipelagos are located in the Eastern Sea, but where are they in respect to China and Vietnam, the two countries who are disputing over sovereignty?

Truong Nhan Tuan: I would like to first extend my greetings to the RFA listeners. The distance from the Paracel islands to Hainan (China) and from the Paracel islands to Da Nang (Vietnam) is approximately equal. As for the Spratly islands, there are many countries involved in the dispute.

The Spratly archipelago lies to the South of Paracel islands. It is composed of very small islands scattered on the sea 500km wide, and E-W more than 1000km long. This means that it is very difficult to speak in terms of who is closest to these islands.

Nguyen An: Indeed, it is too spread out. Nevertheless, different from what most people think, there is not an issue of whichever country closest to the islands have the right to the islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: This is an issue that we have to affirm.


Nguyen An: Returning to the main topic of our discussion today, which is sovereignty over the Spratly and Paracel archipelagos. Before 1975 Vietnam was divided at the 17th parallel. South Vietnam was called the Republic of Vietnam while the North was called the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. Before 1975 how did the positions of the two sides differ with regards to China declaring sovereignty over both archipelagos.

Truong Nhan Tuan: There are many points of disagreement, which are the same issues that lead to the negative impact on Vietnam in the present. In the theory of national continuity we see that Vietnam has discovered, occupied, and carried out effective sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos since a very long time.

History books as well as historical maps of Vietnam have recorded clearly that long ago, people called these islands “Golden Sandbanks,” which was Hoang Sa, Van Ly Hoang Sa or Dai Truong Sa or Van Ly Truong Sa. These are the Vietnamese names for the islands. These localities and islands had been Vietnamese territories for a long period of time.

If we speak of sovereignty, we need to have historical evidence to prove our position. Vietnam indeed has many historical evidence. It is difficult to list all these now because of the lack of time. For example, our historical books from the 17th century had already mentioned of Vietnamese sovereignty over the Paracel islands.

Nguyen An: Do these evidence tell us that Vietnam has occupied and administered these islands since a long time ago?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Vietnam has administered and exploited these islands since a long time ago.

Dispute between Vietnam and China

Nguyen An: China also says that it has sovereignty. Does it provide evidence the same as the Republic of Vietnam?

Truong Nhan Tuan: This issue is somewhat complex. The evidence that China provides are evidence provided by [North Vietnam], for example….

Nguyen An: You mean from the side of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam at that time.

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes. There is a somewhat weighty piece of evidence that China makes use of.

Nguyen An: Can you explain more clearly about the evidence made use by China provided by the Democratic Republic of Vietnam?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Based on a number of documents from Peking, on 15/6/1956 the Vice Foreign Minister of the DRV Ung Van Khiem, at the time of hosting a visit from the Chinese temporary ambassador in Vietnam, spoke the following: “According to documents that Vietnam has presently, historically speaking, Tay Sa and Nam Sa islands belong to China.”

Nguyen An: Tay Sa and Nam Sa means the Paracel and Spratly islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes, the Paracel and Spratly islands. But I would like to open a parenthesis right here to say that we don’t know what history books Ung Van Khiem was reading, because all our history books before that never had the names Tay Sa and Nam Sa.

China also presents other evidence, such as the incident of Le Loc (Temporary Head of the Asian Mission) also present at that time adding that: “From a historical perspective, the archipelagos of Xi Sa and Nan Sa (Tay Sa and Nam Sa) belonged to China since the T’ang dynasty.

Nguyen An: Le Loc is a person of China or of the DRV?

Truong Nhan Tuan: An official of the DRV. This is why the issue is complicated and weighty. However, after this, Vietnamese scholars conducted research to see what history books from the T’ang dynasty mentioned this. As a result, a set of documents was made available, and they found out that the information in those documents were completely contrary to the truth. Information was cut and paste, and content was altered to produce those ideas.

Diplomatic Note of Pham Van Dong

Nguyen An: Are there other evidence from the DRV presented by China regarding sovereignty?

Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes. The famous one is the diplomatic note of Pham Van Dong, written on 14/9/1958 which admits the territorial waters declared by China a few days before. The Chinese declaration was that the archipelagos of Hoang Sa, Nam Sa, and Truong Sa belonged to China.

Nguyen An: So it was an admittance of Chinese sovereignty over these islands?

Truong Nhan Tuan: In reality, there is nothing in the content of the letter that explicitly states admittance of Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands becaue the letter only states that Vietnam “make notes and admits the declaration of China regarding territorial waters of China” but does not mention about sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos.

What makes the justification somewhat weak is because during the war, when the Chinese navy invaded the Paracel islands in 1974, there was no objection from the DRV. This silence becomes a weighty piece of evidence for China to claim that Vietnam had admmitted Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos already.

Nguyen An: Based on what you just presented, is this the reason why Qin Gang (Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson) commented that Vietnam’s position regarding sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos changed over different periods of time?

Truong Nhan Tuan: This is correct. But the legal significance is not simple. Declarations made by officials in North Vietnam at that time may be a reality. The fact that Peking presents them without protestations or justifications from Hanoi tells us that it is probably true. Nevertheless, this fact does not mean that Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos has been proven.

The issue is like this. Based on the theory of national continuity, which is the issue of inheritance, we see that inheritance lies with the Republic of Vietnam (S. Vietnam). On 6/4/1975 the Temporary Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam declared liberation of the Spratly islands.

By September 1975, the Temporary Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam in its meeting regarding meteorological stations in Colombo also declared that the Paracel islands belonged to Vietnam and ordered for the obtaining of weather information to be continued on the Paracel islands.

Based on this data, on the perspective of inheritance, and on the theory of national continuity, the entity that took over from the Republic of Vietnam never delcared the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos as belonging to China.

At the same time, the declarations made by officials in the DRV, in my opinion, are made without due authority. They can be said as merely personal opinions. We cannot say that these are opinions of the country of Vietnam.

China, being a strong opponent would certainly make use of these things, and call them evidence. Unfortunately, the Vietnamese government has not found a way to go against them because it puts the Vietnamese leadership in a very difficult position. But how it turns out in the end is still an open issue.

Nguyen An: Thank you Mr. Truong Nhan Tuan"

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Unless you confused the Malaysian flag for Chinese, aren't you from an ASEAN nation?

He is a Malaysian of Chinese descent, a lot of oversea Chinese are very patriotic, even some of them have never been in China.

They support CCP is not because it is communist, in fact they don't give a rat about communism, only because CCP represents China.

 

[Martian2]

"Truong Nhan Tuan: Yes. The famous one is the diplomatic note of Pham Van Dong, written on 14/9/1958 which admits the territorial waters declared by China a few days before. The Chinese declaration was that the archipelagos of Hoang Sa, Nam Sa, and Truong Sa belonged to China."

Pham Van Dong Biography

"Born March 1, 1906
Quang Ngai province, Vietnam

Premier of North Vietnam, 1955–75, and of the reunited Socialist Republic of Vietnam, 1975–86

Pham Van Dong served as the premier of North Vietnam both before and during the Vietnam War. He was recognized as one of three most powerful leaders of North Vietnam during these years, along with Ho Chi Minh (see entry) and General Vo Nguyen Giap (see entry). In fact, these three men were sometimes referred to as the "iron triangle." When Ho died in 1969, Pham Van Dong emerged as the main spokesman for the Communist government of North Vietnam. After North Vietnam defeated South Vietnam and reunited the two halves of the country in 1975, Pham Van Dong served another decade as premier of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam."

Pham Van Dong Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about Pham Van Dong

"Pham Van Dong

Encyclopedia of World Biography | 2004 | COPYRIGHT 2004 The Gale Group Inc.

Pham Van Dong

Pham Van Dong (born 1906) was the longtime Hanoi premier, first in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) government and then, after reunification in 1976, of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) government. He was considered to be one of the members of the inner "circle of five" top political power holders in Vietnam.

Pham Van Dong, a charter member of the Indochinese Communist Party in 1930, distinguished himself over the years primarily as administrator and organizer of thegovernment bureaucracy (as opposed to the party bureaucracy). Much of his career success was traceable to the fact that he early associated with Ho Chi Minh and served him well, always seeking to emulate Ho's dedication and zeal but in a loyal and self-deprecating manner so as never to upstage Ho. To this Ho reciprocated by publicly calling Dong "my best nephew" and "my alter ego." Indeed, the two did work well as a team, in the marriage of Ho's organizational skill with Dong's managerial ability. They also shared a common philosophic outlook that put pragmatism over ideology.

In many ways Dong was a typical first generation Asian revolutionary: that is, a well-educated member of the upper class who early in life was moved to political activism by nationalist sentiment. His background was Mandarin, which means he was born into affluence and raised in a Confucian tradition of strong cultural value placed on intellectual superiority rather than social origin as the proper basis forgovernment, education, and behavior in life in general . His radicalization was in spite of, not because of, his early years. However, there were alternate political roads that Dong could have traveled, various nationalist movements which were in fact larger and more attractive than Stalinism. Dong apparently chose Marxism-Leninism as the proper outlet for his political energies not because of the inherent appeal of Marxist thought but because of the influence of the personality of Ho Chi Minh.

Dong was born March 1, 1906, in Mo Duc village of Quang Ngai province in Central Vietnam. His father was a high ranking official in the Imperial Court in Hue and served as court secretary to Emperor Duy Tan. The emperor was deposed by the French in 1916 for being too nationalistic, which also resulted in loss of status for Dong's father and probably began his alienation from the existing colonial arrangement.

Student Activist Turned Revolutionary

Dong received a good French lycee education in Hue. In 1925 he enrolled in the University of Hanoi and soon ran into trouble with the authorities by leading a student strike during the funeral of Phan Chu Trinh, a famed nationalist leader. Within a year he was expelled and left for Canton,China, where he spent a year at the Chinese Nationalist run Whampoa Military Academy, met Ho Chi Minh, and joined Ho's proto-communist revolutionary movement, the Vietnam Revolutionary Youth League (Thanh Nien).

From Revolutionary Prisoner to Guerrilla Warrior

Ho sent Dong back to Hanoi in 1927 to do revolutionary organizational work. Dong was subsequently arrested by the French and jailed at Poulo Condore, Vietnam's famed prison island. He remained there from 1929 to 1936 when a new government in France ordered general amnesty for political prisoners in French colonial jails. Dong resumed organizational work in Hanoi and Saigon for three years, then fled to China to escape the 1939 roundup of Vietnamese leftists came with the start of World War II. In 1941 he joined Ho and others at the China border for the conference which created the Viet Minh league, the united front organization (and guerrilla force) that was to lead the struggle against French colonialism.

When the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) was formed in 1945 Dong was named its first finance minister. In the late 1950s he returned to his home province of Quang Ngai and took field command of a guerrilla force about which little is known. Also during this time he was involved in the bloody purge of non-communist nationalists from Viet Minh ranks, a dark episode for which he was never forgiven by many early Vietnamese nationalist revolutionaries. In 1951 he was named vice premier. In 1954 he became acting foreign minister and was sent to Geneva as the head of the DRV delegation to the Geneva Conference that ended the Viet Minh war. In 1955 he was named premier , a post he continued to hold until December 1986. Over the years Dong held other important governmental posts such as vice chairman of the National Defense Council, member of the National Assembly, and, within party ranks, member of the all-powerful Politburo.

International Negotiator and Party Organizer

During the Vietnam War Dong's central task was to mobilize material support for the war effort. This involved organization of the general population of North Vietnam, working through the mechanism of the National Assembly, and efforts abroad to assure the necessary flow of arms from socialist countries. He made frequent trips outside the country and is said to have been particularly effective in dealing with the former U.S.S.R.

After the end of the war in 1975 Dong concentrated his energies on the nation-building task, particularly on the vastly ambitious "district building" reorganizational effort that sought to eliminate the village in Vietnam and replace it with the giant agroville at the district level. He continued to pursue tirelessly a heavy schedule of public events. For months on end he averaged a speech or more a week, chiefly involving education or technical training activities, in between attending a variety of semisocial activities such as diplomatic receptions and tree planting ceremonies.

Dong also continued trips abroad. He was probably the most travelled member of the ruling Politburo and certainly had longer experience in diplomatic negotiations than any other Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) official. In later years his external activities in the international arena tended to be goodwill visits rather than tough negotiations. He was believed by many to have remained the dominant influence on SRV foreign policy, superior to Foreign Minister Nguyen Co Thach.

Dong's personality was described by those who knew him or worked closely with him as sophisticated, self-assured, and somewhat imperious. He was said to have been highly articulate and a smooth diplomatic negotiator.

Defeated by Poor Health and Economy

Dong was known to have suffered from tuberculosis in early life. In the 1980s his health began to deteriorate. He was not seen in public as often as he once was, and his travel abroad was curtailed. Reportedly he had a heart pacemaker implanted in mid-1979 by surgeons in Moscow, and he returned there again in 1982 for extensive medical treatment of an unknown nature. In late December, 1986, at the Sixth Party Congress in Hanoi, Dong resigned as premier because of "advanced age and bad health." He was one of the last top members of the Politburo to have led the Communist defeat of the Japanese, the French, and finally the United States' soldiers in war.

In addition to his failing health, growing impatience over the country's long economic crisis was felt to have prompted his resignation along with two other top officicals, General Secretary Truong Chinh (79) and Politburo member Le Duc Tho (76). In an interview with Time magazine in November 1985, Dong emphasized that economic development to rebuild the country was the government's primary task. Newsweek also later quoted him as saying, "Waging war is simple, but running a country is very difficult." His war record was far more impressive than his success in improving economic conditions, which had reached a crisis stage when he stepped down. Vietnam could ill afford its invasion of Cambodia in 1978, and the continued engagement had adversely affected the already strained economy. Some speculated that Dong's willingness (in 1985) to discuss the long unresolved MIA dispute with the United States was prompted by the economic turmoil.

Little is known about Dong's private life. He was married late, when he was about 40, to a 20-year-old girl who, according to some reports, was later confined to an institution with mental illness, or, according to other reports, died. They are believed to have had two children, a boy and a girl. Dong was never known to have discussed his personal life with foreigners.

Further Reading

There are no full length biographies of Pham Van Dong available in English. His various writings make autobiographical references from which the facts of his life can be pieced together. A short biographical sketch was written by the French scholar Jean Lacouture in The New York Times Sunday Magazine (May 19, 1968). See also a short biography in the Baltimore Sun (September 12, 1967). The basic collection of his writings in English, published by the Foreign Languages Publishing House, Hanoi, in 1977, is titled Pham Van Dong: Selected Writings and contains six of his major articles written between 1954 and 1977. He also published a biography in English, President Ho Chi Minh (Hanoi, 1960). Dong published at least nine other books in Vietnamese between 1945 and 1985, which are mostly collections of his articles, speeches, and interviews. Periodical articles including information on Pham Van Dong are: Newsweek (December 29, 1986), Time (November 11 and 25, 1985), Scholastic Update (March 29, 1985), and The New Yorker (November 1985). □"

 

[Martian2]

1. China discovered and claimed the South China Sea islands and territory. Chinese burial grounds and remains (archeological evidence) and Chinese artifacts dating back over a thousand years are irrefutable proof.

2. China has a historical written record claiming the South China Sea. The Tang Dynasty written record is an example.

3. Vietnam leaders have admitted in writing that China rightfully owns the South China Sea.

4. China sits on the U.N. Security Council as a permanent member and it has the military power (e.g. thermonuclear if necessary) to back up its historical claims to the South China Sea.

This is a slam dunk case. There is no wiggle room. South China Sea islands and territory belong to China.

 

[UKBengali]

1. China discovered and claimed the South China Sea islands and territory. Chinese burial grounds and remains (archeological evidence) and Chinese artifacts dating back over a thousand years are irrefutable proof.

2. China has a historical written record claiming the South China Sea. The Tang Dynasty written record is an example.

3. Vietnam leaders have admitted in writing that China owns the South China Sea.

4. China sits on the U.N. Security Council as a permanent member and it has the military power (e.g. thermonuclear if necessary) to back up its historical claims to the South China Sea.

This is a slam dunk case. There is no wiggle room. South China Sea islands and territory belong to China.

Hi Martian2,

Thanks for educating us about the historical claims that China has to the South China Sea.

Now while I am a great admirer of China, do you not think that it would be better to refrain from making threats of hydrogen bomb attacks on India etc. as this makes China look like a bad guy? I know that you have been provoked but Chinese need to keep their cool and not overreact, as only a level-headed China can free the world from the slavery of the Europeans and their offshoots(US, Australia etc).

 

[Martian2]

Hi Martian2,

Thanks for educating us about the historical claims that China has to the South China Sea.

Now while I am a great admirer of China, do you not think that it would be better to refrain from making threats of hydrogen bomb attacks on India etc. as this makes China look like a bad guy? I know that you have been provoked but Chinese need to keep their cool and not overreact, as only a level-headed China can free the world from the slavery of the Europeans and their offshoots(US, Australia etc).

Fair enough. China has a No-First-Use policy on thermonuclear weapons towards non-nuclear states, such as Vietnam or the Philippines.

Regarding India, that stubborn Indian nationalist should have backed off when I gave him the opportunities. He is a fool if he believes that India is qualified to participate among the world military giants (e.g. U.S., China, and Russia). It was offensive and ludicrous for him to suggest that India has the military capability to gratuitously interject itself into China's sovereignty over the South China Sea. Stay out of superpower matters or get crushed.

The only reason that I mention China's thermonuclear arsenal is because the subtext is U.S. meddling in the South China Sea. Without the U.S. providing support, Vietnam and the Philippines would not be stirring up the current trouble.

The point is that the U.S. will not ultimately engage in a game of Cold War brinkmanship over the South China Sea. Chinese claims are rock-solid and unyielding. China will not yield to U.S. pressure on this issue. The U.S. goal is to remove Chinese sovereignty from the South China Sea to enable American warships to sail wherever they like in waters south of China.

As the Chinese Navy becomes more powerful in the next decades, China will ultimately claim absolute sovereignty over the South China Sea and prohibit American warships from transiting through the waters without Chinese permission.

 

[Akasa]

Philippines are always true! I love Philippines! Boycott china!

Read the news. The intruder that crossed into Chinese airspace was the Phillipines.

Sure, boycott China and see how many days it takes for the Philippine economy to crash.

 

[Akasa]

Every country isnt greedy and aggressive like China

Of course, since China has started 3 major wars in the Middle East in the past decade, bombed other countries' embassies, and disallowed other countries to develop, right?

Read up on how many countries China occupies with forces, how many military bases China has set up, how many airliners have been shot down by Chinese forces, how many children have been killed by Chinese UCAVs.

And of course, don't forget to read how many islands (*cough *cough Goa) China took with force.

But of course, that would be "intruding" your constant daydreams and blissful ignorance. So, like a nation in peaceful development, I allow you to continue.

 

[Akasa]

that you said apply only for your country!
Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, and many many country in the world are VietNam friends!
They love my country!
Many many country in the world boycott your country, boycott all from china!
most of people know china's Products quality, very very bad!
So, people say that " made in china ! made in sida! "

That you said apply only for you fantasy!

You information very very bad!
You education very very very very small!
You love many ignorance!!!

So, many many people say that you trollll!

Go get life and come back educated!!!



$5.99 per fish!

 

[CardSharp]

The Overseas Chinese, not matter where they are, or how long they have been their country of birth, is loyal to the Han empire!

I am not being rude. It is just that that is the truth and all must understand that. They have a strong feeling for the land of their origin and that overpowers everything else.


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Nothing surprising!

Funny that fateh71 living Singapore, 'a han dominated ethnocracy' (by your ethnocentric way of thinking) would thank this post. I guess he must be feeling oppressed in the country of his birth. Amirite?

 

[UKBengali]

Fair enough. China has a No-First-Use policy on thermonuclear weapons towards non-nuclear states, such as Vietnam or the Philippines.

Regarding India, that stubborn Indian nationalist should have backed off when I gave him the opportunities. He is a fool if he believes that India is qualified to participate among the world military giants (e.g. U.S., China, and Russia). It was offensive and ludicrous for him to suggest that India has the military capability to gratuitously interject itself into China's sovereignty over the South China Sea. Stay out of superpower matters or get crushed.

The only reason that I mention China's thermonuclear arsenal is because the subtext is U.S. meddling in the South China Sea. Without the U.S. providing support, Vietnam and the Philippines would not be stirring up the current trouble.

The point is that the U.S. will not ultimately engage in a game of Cold War brinkmanship over the South China Sea. Chinese claims are rock-solid and unyielding. China will not yield to U.S. pressure on this issue. The U.S. goal is to remove Chinese sovereignty from the South China Sea to enable American warships to sail wherever they like in waters south of China.

As the Chinese Navy becomes more powerful in the next decades, China will ultimately claim absolute sovereignty over the South China Sea and prohibit American warships from transiting through the waters without Chinese permission.

Yeah too may Indians think they can take on China. They do not understand that China will crush them like a little ant. Hopefully the massive 100,000 tonne supercarriers escorted by future Type-052D destroyers and the future Type-095SSNs will be ready by 2020 to show to them that they are insignificant in every way to China. I think that once China has 4 or more of these battlegroups ready, then the US will respect China and realise that the South China sea is China's territory and not theirs.

 

[TheThirteenth]

This is a false and manipulated information that China use to confuse you, our P.M Pham Van Dong didn't accept to any statement that have line about S.China Sea or "spratly and paracel"

Here take a look at the truth:

This is what were our P.M Pham Van Dong write:

Translation may a little rough cos i kind of bad at this:

The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's Government agreed to terms of China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim.
The Democratic Republic of Vietnam Government respect it, and will direct all Agencies to absolute respect the 12 nautical miles sea territory of China in all matters with the People's Republic of China in the East Sea.

sincerely.

Hanoi 14-9-1958.

12 nautical is sure very... big.

12 nautical miles ~ 22km

 

[yangtomous]

范文同声明越南承认中国对南沙享有主权
　　摘自《中华人民共和国国务院公报》1956年43期
越南民主共和国 　　总理府 　　
尊敬的（周恩来）总理同志： 　　
我们郑重的向总理同志声明： 　　
越南民主共和国政府承认和赞成中华人民共和国政府于1958年9月4日所作的关于中国领海的决定和声明。 　　
我们向总理同志致以诚挚的敬意！ 　　
1958年9月14日于河内 　　敬致 　　
北京，中华人民共和国国务院总理周恩来同志 　　越南民主共和国政府总理：范文同（签名、盖章）


附：中华人民共和国政府关于领海的声明(1958年9月4&#26085 　　
中华人民共和国政府宣布
（一）中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土，包括中国大陆及其沿海岛屿，和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。 　　
（二）中国大陆及其沿海岛屿的领海以连接大陆岸上和沿海岸外缘岛屿上各基点之间的各直线为基线，从基线向外延伸12海里的水域是中国的领海。在基线以内的水域，包括渤海湾、琼州海峡在内、都是中国的内海、在基线以内的岛屿，包括东引岛、高登岛、马祖列岛、白犬列岛、乌岳岛、大小金门岛、大担岛、二担岛、东碇岛在内，都是中国的内海。 　　（三）一切外国飞机和军用船舶，未经中华人民共和国政府的许可，不得进入中国的领海和领海上空。任何外国船舶在中国领海航行，必须遵守中华人民共和国政府的有关法令。 　　（四）以上（一）（二）两项规定的原则同样适用于台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。 　　台湾和澎湖地区现在仍然被美国武力侵占，这是侵犯中华人民共和国领土完整的和主权的非法行为。台湾和澎湖等地尚待收复，中华人民共和国政府有权采取一切适当的方法在适当的时候，收复这些地区，这是中国的内政，不容外国干涉。

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you need to know China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim first.