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Philippines alone in Asean vs China

What you say you don't do it yourself, Do you?

You said:



The Same US News Articles also says this:

China's Noisy Subs Get Busier -- And Easier to Track | Danger Room | Wired.com

You should not be taking that as Propaganda since this is the same US news articles which called China's submarines "like sausages off an assembly line." :rolleyes:


I have already given news from reputable sources like FAS.

I have showed you How the USN has Spoofed on Chinese and Russian Submarines over the years and made have an intact assessment of both.

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You are yet to dispute the USN publications with some facts backed by reliable Sources.

it seem modern weapons' performance depend on a chart?if you want see a more exciting chart,i can make one for you with a signature that XXX weapon research center.
weapons' capacity is not in book but in battlefield.
btw,can indian bulid a sub independently?
 
it seem modern weapons' performance depend on a chart?if you want see a more exciting chart,i can make one for you with a signature that XXX weapon research center.
weapons' capacity is not in book but in battlefield.
btw,can indian bulid a sub independently?

Retarded Indians will believe any chart that the Pentagon feeds them.

There is no sign of any critical thinking among the Indians on this forum. I swear, most of them are all brain dead. Oh look, a chart. Who gives a flying fark? Point to a problem on the submarine or shut the hell up.
 
China 'till now is insisting that the issue on land ownership be resolved bilaterally. China will never agree with a unilateral approach because he will be facing a big force if all the ASEAN members unite their force and act as one. China is obviously giant in terms of strength and power compared to any of his neighbors. It is very easy for China to overpower any of the ASEAN member country hence, China's insistence of bilateral approach. To allow a land grabber and bully (China) in his own terms and conditions to settle the dispute is ridiculous and absurd. I strongly suggest that all the ASEAN member countries should unite... make a common stand and insist to implement the UNCLOS. It is tantamount to giving up your right to protect your legal properties if you allow China to settle the issue on his own terms and conditions. NEVER ALLOW A THIEF AND A BULLY TO TRAMPLE YOUR RIGHTS. STAND FOR YOUR RIGHT.

a Philippine monkey never know the truth and history of the islands problem,and as long as his idiot president claimed anything,he will proceed without hesitation to brag high-sounding.monkey is different with human,they never have a ability of an independent mind,what the headmonkey do,they follow it.
 
Time and the initiative is here in China, This century is the century of China, as time goes forward ,you have seen more clearly. In the South China Sea, China has mastered the initiative, With Vietnam, we cut the cable in the Vietnamese coastal patrol, driven warships, seizure of fishing vessels; With Philippines, we are driven warships and fishing boats, occupied the Huangyan Island, Incompetent Vietnam and the Philippines can only protest and demonstrations. This is a manifestation of the weak! Their hard-line only lip service, in reality, can only accept the lessons of China's! In fact, I enjoyed the protests and demonstrations. this feeling of greater,Indicates that China is more powerful! All day here Troll Vietnam and the Philippines, In reality, you trolls have changed anything? The answer is: nothing can!
In the South China Sea, China has mastered the initiative,
Oh, only a guy with thick and shameless face like you can say like that , people can't even see clearly where is china in Spratly of SCS(east sea), dude :cheesy:
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We offer billions of $ aid to Cambodia, send thousands of engineers into Cambodia to help Cambodia to construct various infrastructures she desperately need, thousands of various experts to help Cambodia with productions in many fields.

What vn has to offer then???

Philippines alone in Asean vs China

Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:00
ELLEN TORDESILLAS

‘The discussion was contentious between the Philippines and Cambodia over the subject of Scarborough Shoal.’



I always thought that Combodia has a close relationship with Vietnam,but true is that it is much closer to China.

That was 1975, not 2012. There is no cold war now.

So why did not Hun Sen call for China's help instead of Vietnam's help in 1975-1978 to fight against Pol Pot?
 
We offer billions of $ aid to Cambodia, send thousands of engineers into Cambodia to help Cambodia to construct various infrastructures she desperately need, thousands of various experts to help Cambodia with productions in many fields.

What vn has to offer then???



That was 1975, not 2012. There is no cold war now.

Nothing happen when Cambodian friend get money from China for his balacing.
 
LOL!

Just curious, Where are the ingratitude Viets when they are badly needed by their Filipinos brothers?

We have all sorts of Viets such as NiceGuy, EastSea, and Battle of whatever and the like. Where are they in the ASEAN meeting?

:lol:

What a joke!
 
Philippines has edge over China in dispute: US think-tank



MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines has an advantage over China in their territorial dispute, but only if Manila will take a clear and firm stand on what it is claiming in the West Philippine Sea, a US security think-tank said.

Making a stand means the Philippines' claims on specific areas in the disputed waters should be "codified in law" to strengthen the legal basis of the country's maritime claims, said Gregory Poling, research associate of Southeast Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington, D.C.

Poling, in a July 6 analysis of the competing claims in the West Philippine Sea, said the Philippines and other Southeast Asian countries having laws to press their claims will also "allow them to present a united front to China in arguing one crucial point: The only acceptable basis for maritime claims in the South China Sea must be international law, especially UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea)."

"Were the ASEAN claimants to present an agreed-upon framework for establishing what is and is not disputed, the burden would rest with Beijing to clarify the basis for its own claims," he said. "At that point, Beijing would have limited options."

"Such pressure might give more moderate voices, like those in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, more credibility, allowing China to clarify its claims by retaining those to the Spratlys and Paracels but giving up its egregious claims to the waters in between. This would mark an important step toward resolving the South China Sea dispute," he added.

After a lot of perceived foot-dragging, then President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo enacted the Philippine Baselines Law (RA 9522) in 2009 that established the Philippines' coastal baselines in accordance with UNCLOS.

However, confidential US diplomatic memos published by anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks pointed out that the law did not include the disputed territory in the Philippines' baselines and left the Spratlys and Scarborough classed as "regimes of islands."

According to cable 09MANILA428, Arroyo saw the compromise bill as the best way to prevent the tension over the disputed territories from worsening "and partly out of recognition that the Philippines lacks the military capacity to defend the Spratlys, if it should ever come to that."

The memo believes that Arroyo signed the watered-down measure with the hope that she "placated" China's anger over a more assertive baselines law.

Poling, in his analysis, said China is deliberately being ambigious over its claims in the West Philippine Sea because it give Beijing "the flexibility to interpret its position to serve the audience at hand."

'China can't claim Panatag Shoal'

He also said China has no legal basis to back its claims on Scarborough or Panatag shoal.


"For years the Chinese territorial claims in the South China Sea extended only to the Spratlys (Nansha, or 'South Banks') and Paracels (Xisha, or 'West Banks'). Any claim to other features, like Scarborough Shoal, was only implied in so far as they fell within the ambiguous 9-dash lines," he said.

"Then China extended its claim to the entirely submerged Macclesfield Bank via the imaginary Zhongsha, or 'Middle Banks,' despite there being no way under international law to claim title over a submerged feature as if it were an island," he added.


"Further, in recent years, as Beijing has tried to move beyond an overreliance on the indefensible 9-dash lines, Scarborough Shoal has been incorporated as part of Zhongsha. The fact that it lies hundreds of miles from Macclesfield Bank or that it appears on none of the historical documents China puts forth to prove its title to the Spratlys and Paracels seemingly does not matter," Poling said.

The CSIS researcher said China is contradicting itself when its own Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement issued a statement in February 2012 that "no nation claims sovereignty over the entire South China Sea and that the dispute is only about the 'islands and adjacent waters. islands and adjacent waters.'"

He cited the annual unilateral fishing ban for the entire West Philippine Sea as proof of Beijing's unclear position on what it is indeed claiming in the Spratlys.

Local, international laws should end dispute

ASEAN countries setting their claims into laws -- both in local legislation and in a multilateral framework under international law -- will place China in a difficult position, Poling said.

"Alternately, Beijing could reject entirely the primacy of accepted international law in the dispute, but that would be extremely damaging to China’s larger interests," he added. "Such a course of action would identify China as the undeniable remaining belligerent in the dispute and rally regional and international opinion around the ASEAN claimants’ position."

A draft document agreed by the foreign ministers of the Philippines and other ASEAN members state that they want international laws, including UNCLOS, to be the basis for settling competing claims in the West Philippine Sea, according to Agence France-Presse.

They are currently meeting in Cambodia to finally hammer out a code Of conduct in the disputed waters of the region.

The draft document outlining ASEAN's position calls on all sides to "undertake to resolve territorial... disputes in the (South China Sea) by peaceful means in accordance with international law, including UNCLOS."

China is opposing the ASEAN as a venue for settling the disputes and does not want UNCLOS to be used, as well, according to official statements from Beijing.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-f...nes-has-edge-over-china-dispute-us-think-tank
 
Where did the Philippines go wrong?

1. Filipinos do not understand history. The United States will go to great lengths to avoid a real war with China. The previous experiences against China in the Korean War and the U.S.-Vietnam War were more than enough.

2. The U.S. understands you can get away with irritating Beijing up to a point. When you cross the line and start detaining Chinese fishermen, a real war is brewing around the corner.

3. The U.S. has a healthy respect for China's manufacturing power. If you read U.S. news articles, they refer to China manufacturing submarines "like sausages off an assembly line." The U.S. understands modern and strong China could mass produce a really scary military war machine if it really wanted to.

4. The Philippines and Vietnam have incurred the ire of the CCP. Previously, China did not patrol with warships in the South China Sea. After the Viet and Filipino provocations (of using warplanes and a World War II coast guard cutter) to harass Chinese fishermen, China now conducts regular combat patrols.

In summary, the Filipinos and Viets have been escalating the pressure on China. This leaves Beijing with less negotiating room. Now, China is asserting its sovereignty and its big guns are out there patrolling the South China Sea. I would say the Filipino and Viet strategy has backfired.



Wow! what a summary:
China becomes bigger everyday, and as the U.S. relies on their money and they keep quiet.
I cannot say for the Philippines. But in your understanding VN should sit still and remain peaceful, even if China sends ships into Vietnam EEZ, violates teritory and damages it property. You are kidding! China as the big bad guy, with all the big guns running around and scares the people. In VN nobody is afraid of this. We know the Chinese, the Chinese know us.
 
Manila to Beijing: Honor proposed pact

THE PHILIPPINES has called on China to honor the proposed regional agreement for a swifter resolution of disputes in the South China Sea, a Palace aide said yesterday. “We hope that [China] will be receptive to the [Code of the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea] as well;” Deputy Presidential Spokesman Abigail F. Valte said in a briefing at the Palace. Southeast Asian foreign ministers are meeting in Cambodia to craft the long-awaited Code of Conduct that will spell out more binding rules on movements in the disputed area.

The code is expected to be submitted to China, the Philippines and other claimants within the South China Sea, preferred to be called by Manila as West Philippine Sea. “If the target is November, hopefully, it will be received well;” Ms. Valte said.

The Code of Conduct is also expected to boost the Philippine position in the South China Sea under international laws. “We have been firm that our claim is supported under international law and that we intend to pursue our claim under a rules-based approach;” Ms. Valte said.

Meanwhile, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert F. del Rosario said during the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Ministerial Meeting on Monday that there has been a “meeting of minds” among senior officials on the proposed main elements of the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea, which will soon be taken up by ASEAN in negotiations with China.

“For archipelagic states like the Philippines, unimpeded commerce and maritime safety are important given that a quarter of the estimated 1.37 million mariners worldwide are Filipinos;” he said in a statement.

source
 
you sow and we reap,haha

don't laugh big.
Cambodian friends refused to hand back to China France citizen, who involved into business of Boxi Lai family. I think china didn't pay enough for it.
Sorry, it's business.:enjoy:
 
ethnic chinese hahahaha oh my..

yingluck's GREAT GRANDFATHER was chinese who immigrated to thailand..

the rest of her blood is pure thai... she is ethnically THAI... not chinese... the chinese in her genes would be miniscule and non evident in any way, shape or form

According to your statement, I dont know why her brother and her came to china for ancestor worship
 
lol, is that why her last name is shinawatra and not Seng?

maybe in chinese culture the whole bloodline is from the paternal side, science and dna say different.

before her GREAT grandfather, they had thai males in their line of family.. and a looong history of thai, so reality is, she has little chinese blood

Her Chinese surname is 丘, and she is Hakka Han chinese, In Hakka, 丘 is pronounced as Shin,so how can her Thai surname come? Thaksin Shinawatara [丘 shin in hakka] Chinese Hakka + Pali word. If you know nothing about Thai Chinese, pls shUUt up. we are Thai, but proud fo our chinese background and descent.

Biggest Chinese surname in Thailand is 陳 林 蔡Tang Lim Chua

In Thailand some Huaqiao Make Their own surname mix Between original Thai style surname and Their Chinese Surname Like

Thaksin Shinawatara [丘 shin in hakka] Chinese Hakka + Pali word

Sondhi Limtongkul (林 Lim in Teochew and Hokkian ) Chinese Teochew +Thai word

Wiwat Chanwattana ( 陳 Chan in Cantonese ) Chinese Cantonese+Pali Word

Sawang Leecharoenwanit (李 Lee In Teochew / Hokkian ) Chinese Teochew + Khmer +Pali

But Many Huaqiao in Thailand Use "Sae 姓" + "Their Chinese Surname" for Make new surname Like
Sae Ueng 姓黃 like Wicha SaeUeng
Sae Lee 姓李 Pracha Saelee
Sae Tang 姓陳 Witta SaeTang
Sae Tan 姓陳 Amorn saetan
Sae Lim 姓林 Yu Saelim
Sae Chua 姓蔡 Chawanan Saechua
 

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