Petraeus Warns of Declining Public Support in Pakistan for U.S.

[blueoval79]

I really pity your lack of knowledge. Let me spell out my question again

WHAT MODELS AND MAKE OF INDIAN WEAPONS WERE SEIZED FROM THE 1000 ODD TALIBANIS KILLED TILL NOW IN THE PRESENT OPS ONLY

Incase you are going to cover - up your shallow skill of debate by printing links of a blog on PDF i suggest your read the articles yourself or get some help from some senior members here so that your shallowness of knowledge is covered up. My question is in bold and your suggested reply ( to avoid strains to the sparse grey matter) can be as below

Model : SLR / INSAS
Calibre : 7.62 / 5.56 mm
Seized : SWAT
Neutral Link : BBC - Homepage

Regards

Hi,

This is a big problem with accusations from our neighbor....when asked for proofs...there is nothing credible.....

And they ready to object on the neutral proofs submitted ...as Zionist agenda...Anti Muslim agenda and what not..... ...

Rgds..

 

[deltacamelately]

if u are suggestin US would have attacked pakistan only bec we wanted to be neutral then u r absolutely wrong.
im makin a simple point. if majority of the nation is against something then better dont do it. our national assembly was still there. musharraf could have eaily gone there and introduced a resolution. matter should have been left with national assembly lik wat turkey did when US asked for using her bases to attack iraq.

You are not exactly thinking. You do understand that the global community was furious at the 9/11 massacre, that people were knowing that its Astan where the trail leads, that people and nation states acknowledged that Pakistan considers Astan as its backyard for its so called strategic depth and that America and all her allies were confident that the PA and ISI had much under their sleaves. I don't know whether the US would have rained missiles or bombs on Pakistan if it didn't offer unconditional support, but I know for sure that in such a case, US counter measures would have been sweeping and swift. There are more than one way to bring a small and weak nation to its knees and nobody would know it better than the Yanks in case of Pakistan.

Now the prized question.

Did you know that India inspite of being a counterforce to America in most world forums, was one of the 1st countries to offer complete support including granting base access? Did you know that in the preliminary battle proceedings, the US Army felt the Indian Army as the best possible force in the vicinity in fighting the AQ/Taliban fighters, possibly "the only professional army having the requisite COIN experience and familiar with similar terrain combat"

How would you like Pakistan sitting out of the action while bearing sweeping punitive measure, economical or otherwise?

How would you like seeing IA, IN and IAF logistics in tandem with US forces flying over your skylines with PA/PAF/PN watching meekly without moving a single finger?

 

[deltacamelately]

But all the perpetrators were Saudis, why than Pakistan and Afghanistan has to bear the brunt of it.

If U.S. needed to catch the culprit hiding in Afghanistan,. Pakistan has helped catch many before, and could have done it again, why kill innocents.

Asq,

Stop cribbling. Those Saudis had sanctuaries in Astan and Pakistan.
Not every Pakistani national, ISI/PA or otherwise, involved in matters pertaining to Astan was innocent. Your army had its hands full in Astan.

 

[ajpirzada]

You are not exactly thinking. You do understand that the global community was furious at the 9/11 massacre, that people were knowing that its Astan where the trail leads, that people and nation states acknowledged that Pakistan considers Astan as its backyard for its so called strategic depth and that America and all her allies were confident that the PA and ISI had much under their sleaves. I don't know whether the US would have rained missiles or bombs on Pakistan if it didn't offer unconditional support, but I know for sure that in such a case, US counter measures would have been sweeping and swift. There are more than one way to bring a small and weak nation to its knees and nobody would know it better than the Yanks in case of Pakistan.

Now the prized question.

Did you know that India inspite of being a counterforce to America in most world forums, was one of the 1st countries to offer complete support including granting base access? Did you know that in the preliminary battle proceedings, the US Army felt the Indian Army as the best possible force in the vicinity in fighting the AQ/Taliban fighters, possibly "the only professional army having the requisite COIN experience and familiar with similar terrain combat"

How would you like Pakistan sitting out of the action while bearing sweeping punitive measure, economical or otherwise?

How would you like seeing IA, IN and IAF logistics in tandem with US forces flying over your skylines with PA/PAF/PN watching meekly without moving a single finger?

maximum we should have done was to disown talibans. musharraf tried to drag this nation of 170 million where pakistanis didnt want to go. that is the core reason to why extremism is on the rise in pakistan. majority think we did wrong by supportin US in killin innocent muslims. remember we had 3 million afghans as refugees as well. this makes it easy for fanatics in convincing ppl to rise against the gov. US would have done XYZ is just an assumption. its not that simple lik it sounds in ur writing. there was no need for doin that when they won the war without loosin a single soldier.

and if india was willin to join then again i dont see any reason that we step fwd and help US in killin muslim at the cost of annoyin 170 million ppl of our own. US had bases in central asia and its not necessary that they would have knocked ur door.

it was simply a short-sightedness and gutless act comin from a dictator.

 

[IceCold]

The link in the first article from Dawn simply refuses to open all I could read was the information posted by the poster.... Do you have the link or can you please repair the link for me......

The article you posted above is a simple copy and paste from an anti India weblog........so it simply has no credibility.....Please provide link from a Newspaper or a Magazine......that is either Published in Pakistan or India or any part of the world....

So you ask for where it is written and then when i highlight it for you, you come up with this.....I have made my point, in the end link does not matter when it will be labeled as an anti Indian blog.

 

[IceCold]

I really pity your lack of knowledge. Let me spell out my question again

WHAT MODELS AND MAKE OF INDIAN WEAPONS WERE SEIZED FROM THE 1000 ODD TALIBANIS KILLED TILL NOW IN THE PRESENT OPS ONLY

Incase you are going to cover - up your shallow skill of debate by printing links of a blog on PDF i suggest your read the articles yourself or get some help from some senior members here so that your shallowness of knowledge is covered up. My question is in bold and your suggested reply ( to avoid strains to the sparse grey matter) can be as below

Model : SLR / INSAS
Calibre : 7.62 / 5.56 mm
Seized : SWAT
Neutral Link : BBC - Homepage

Regards

Your question is rather stupid but then again well suited for you. The links were presented but since it didn't suit the flavor hence the usual.

On a side note you consider BBC a neutral link, lolzzz that tells it all about the so called neutrality that you like to present here.

 

[IceCold]

Hi,

This is a big problem with accusations from our neighbor....when asked for proofs...there is nothing credible.....

And they ready to object on the neutral proofs submitted ...as Zionist agenda...Anti Muslim agenda and what not..... ...

Rgds..

Actually that depends upon the interpretation about neutral links. You see for Indians the world starts from the USA and well ends there and the neutrality from the western media. But hey life still goes on.

 

[blueoval79]

Actually that depends upon the interpretation about neutral links. You see for Indians the world starts from the USA and well ends there and the neutrality from the western media. But hey life still goes on.

Ok then....provide the links to the Pakistani media Articles that contain details of the weapons seized by Pakistani law enforcement agencies and army...

And please don't post links for weblogs....they are simply stupid and out of the world...

 

[IceCold]

Ok then....provide the links to the Pakistani media Articles that contain details of the weapons seized by Pakistani law enforcement agencies and army...

And please don't post links for weblogs....they are simply stupid and out of the world...

Yes everything that starts from being anti Indian is either BS or a conspiracy theory. By the way the article also quotes some one who happens to be an Indian.

 

[deltacamelately]

IceCold,

Cut the crap. I have seen that great photo of the grenade. It seems a soviet time design, could be manufactured by anyone, ex-soviet states or even China. Indian Ordinance designs are wholesomely different.

Show me a credible one, design, link anything. The Major General was actually conducting a psyops.

 

[blueoval79]

Yes everything that starts from being anti Indian is either BS or a conspiracy theory. By the way the article also quotes some one who happens to be an Indian.

Don't shy away from the responsibility of providing a credible Media proof from Pakistan......I am not asking something you can not do.....you have the evidence of India being the culprit.....please show it......Any link from Pakistani Print or online media report will do.....


We also get so many anti Pakistan blog ...which quote Pakistani officials all the time....but we don't believe them....we do some research before accepting the claim...

 

[deltacamelately]

....We also get so many anti Pakistan blog ...which quote Pakistani officials all the time....but we don't believe them....we do some research before accepting the claim...

Blueoval79,

Isn't that an over statement?
Because, barring probably BR and some other matured forums, most Indian military forums have similar set of posters who are always cooking/assisting anti-Pakistan conspiracy theories, with some posters punching above their weight, i.e. going to the extent of challenging professionals.

 

[Always Neutral]

Your question is rather stupid but then again well suited for you. The links were presented but since it didn't suit the flavor hence the usual.

On a side note you consider BBC a neutral link, lolzzz that tells it all about the so called neutrality that you like to present here.

I can't believe such numbskull answers are allowed on a defence forum. You can't name the model of one Indian origin assault rifle, pistol or weapon which has been seized till date or provide a non indian, non Zahid hamid or BBC link ? All the links u have provided ONLY state that Indian make weapons were seized ? Please provide models and TECHNICAL DETAILS as this is a defence forum otherwise please go to this link BELOW and post there it will be well recieved THERE.

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Regards

 

[ajpirzada]

truth is that so far no such evidence has been shown to general public. all we have are statements from different officials. thats almost it.

 

[IceCold]

IceCold,

Cut the crap. I have seen that great photo of the grenade. It seems a soviet time design, could be manufactured by anyone, ex-soviet states or even China. Indian Ordinance designs are wholesomely different.

Show me a credible one, design, link anything. The Major General was actually conducting a psyops.

Indeed delta came lately, i was expecting it earlier though.