Peshawar women banned from living alone

[Awesome]

I don't think that LTTE had a religion-driven agenda to keep women in their place as do these Salafi guys .....

Ruling government is not Salafi. Actually they are secular. They are just as stupid, a bunch of male chauvinists though.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Ruling government is not Salafi. Actually they are secular. They are just as stupid, a bunch of male chauvinists though.

I meant the TTP in my post, not the Peshawa authorities. Batman, read my post , including the referenced post sentence, and don't jump to conclusions. I was just saying that women may need protection from the TTP types whereas the LTTE did not target women for moral lapses, so Sri Lanka didn't have the same trouble with the LTTE targeting single women that the Peshawar authorities may have to consider.

 

[illuminatus]

I don't think that LTTE had a religion-driven agenda to keep women in their place as do these Salafi guys .....

Just yesterday you were accusing me for judging Wahabi doctrine. Why suddenly change of heart? Also, I always find you posting and taking very keen interest in such controversial topics relating to Pakistan. How about before pointing fingers at others looking at your own situation? Do you know how badly women are treated in supposedly one of the most democratically loving countries in the world known as the US? It's so appaling that I won't even bother posting the stats.

 

[deckingraj]

A difficult decisions but look at the scenario. Paksitan is fighting a war and Peshawar is one of the badly affected cities in all that. Lowering the river instead of rising the bridge sounds stupid in peaceful circumstances but when it is not presently possible to rise the bridge, should we not budge at all or better take the measures to get the situation in control. I would not support this decisions as a rule for ever but for now, it might prove helpful in providing security to the ones who are consistency being attacked.

Pardon my language but what you are saying is rubbish.... If they really want to protect women there are 100 other ways of doing that rather than banning them to stay alone....I can understand if as a state an advisory was given but making a law to restrict women from staying alone is distasteful.....All they have done is discrimination on sex and marginalizing the basic right to chose what one wants to do with his/her own life within the tenets of a civil society

 

[Draft]

I don't think that LTTE had a religion-driven agenda to keep women in their place as do these Salafi guys .....

I concur....but what I really meant was that they (read SriLankan govt) did not make any special laws restricting freedom of individuals. And as Deckingraj and Asim have pointed out this law is made on the basis of male chauvinism and it reeks sex discrimination.

 

[graphican]

Pardon my language but what you are saying is rubbish.... If they really want to protect women there are 100 other ways of doing that rather than banning them to stay alone....I can understand if as a state an advisory was given but making a law to restrict women from staying alone is distasteful.....All they have done is discrimination on sex and marginalizing the basic right to chose what one wants to do with his/her own life within the tenets of a civil society

Here people are dieing of suicide bombs and 100s of people are dieing of terrorist activities and you are talking of basic human rights. Is that not her right to be alive the first place? Indeed it is and it is not being protected because one simple reason, w e a r e a t w a r. When 100s of villages of Sawat and 100 times more villeges in India were evacuated at the time of 2001-2002 India Pakistan standoff, where were these human rights spokesmen? It is laughable that government has actually made an attempt to save these women by forcing them to stay with family and you cooking the spaghetti and putting that enjoyable masala in the name of "basic human rights". Please do something that you actually can.

 

[illuminatus]

Here people are dieing of suicide bombs and 100s of people are dieing of terrorist activities and you are talking of basic human rights. Is that not her right to be alive the first place? Indeed it is and it is not being protected because one simple reason, w e a r e a t w a r. When 100s of villages of Sawat and 100 times more villeges in India were evacuated at the time of 2001-2002 India Pakistan standoff, where were these human rights spokesmen? It is laughable that government has actually made an attempt to save these women by forcing them to stay with family and you cooking the spaghetti and putting that enjoyable masala in the name of "basic human rights". Please do something that you actually can.

I actually recently visited Peshawar and have witnessed the situation first hand. Whatever you claim is absolutely spot on. People are on almost a daily basis being martyred due to explosions. The security situation isn't safe to put it mildly. I also believe that it would be safer for women in particular to reside with their families in such times of insecurity. Women are easy prey for criminals in such circumstances. Some members here are crying foul as if the women are being paraded in stadiums and executed. It's nothing but hypocrisy.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Just yesterday you were accusing me for judging Wahabi doctrine. Why suddenly change of heart? Also, I always find you posting and taking very keen interest in such controversial topics relating to Pakistan. How about before pointing fingers at others looking at your own situation? Do you know how badly women are treated in supposedly one of the most democratically loving countries in the world known as the US? It's so appaling that I won't even bother posting the stats.

1) I wasn't accusing you. I was just making an observation that you, or no one else, has the authority to say what is and what is not Islam outside of some clear, basic principles, such as the 5 pillars. The rest is up to interpretation.

2) Duh..... This is the PAKISTAN Defense Forum. We all come here to learn and discuss. Hence, controversial things are more interesting than discussing things everyone agrees about. I learn about Pakistan, and the thinking of Pakistanis, by reading the posts of others and the posts that respond to topics that I choose to post.

 

[illuminatus]

In NWFP it seems like there is only on way to govern, ban this, ban that, restrict this, restrict that.

This government has been more chilled about the bannings but they haven't officially lifted any of the old bans as well.

Have the geniuses in ANP devised a plan where would these women go?

How about if the women opted to reside with their family members instead? Women that don't have any relatives should be taken care of by the state authorities. Here all criticism against the state authorities is justified if/when they don't live up to their responsibilities (which in most cases is true).

 

[deckingraj]

Here people are dieing of suicide bombs and 100s of people are dieing of terrorist activities and you are talking of basic human rights. Is that not her right to be alive the first place? Indeed it is and it is not being protected because one simple reason, w e a r e a t w a r. When 100s of villages of Sawat and 100 times more villeges in India were evacuated at the time of 2001-2002 India Pakistan standoff, where were these human rights spokesmen? It is laughable that government has actually made an attempt to save these women by forcing them to stay with family and you cooking the spaghetti and putting that enjoyable masala in the name of "basic human rights". Please do something that you actually can.

You know what it not your fault....actually we have so much suspicion for each other that even a simple statement made by people from opposite side is considered as masalas and what not

Here people are dieing of suicide bombs and 100s of people are dieing of terrorist activities and you are talking of basic human rights

Because people are dying of terrorist attacks does that mean the rest of the masses can be treated the way you want to???

Is that not her right to be alive the first place?

Yes it is and that's why an adversary will make sense...not forcing them by making a law...Did i make my point clear???

When 100s of villages of Sawat and 100 times more villeges in India were evacuated at the time of 2001-2002 India Pakistan standoff, where were these human rights spokesmen?

It is a normal practice to evacuate villages close to border areas for army operations during war scenarios...Their safety is one of the many reasons....What it has to do with current discussion???

It is laughable that government has actually made an attempt to save these women by forcing them to stay with family and you cooking the spaghetti and putting that enjoyable masala in the name of "basic human rights".

So you are saying that government has done them a favor by forcing them against their will to stay alone???? Its strange that you consider this stupid action as something applauding...

Please do something that you actually can.

I am trying to make my point...I am well aware of the pathetic condition/moral policing that women has to face in my country as well...but do i always need to curse situation in India to say something wrong happening in Pakistan???

 

[illuminatus]

1) I wasn't accusing you. I was just making an observation that you, or no one else, has the authority to say what ans what is not Islam outside of some clear, basic principles, such as the 5 pillars. The rest is up to interpretation.

2) Duh..... This is the PAKISTAN Defense Forum. We all come here to learn and discuss. Hence, controversial things are more interesting than discussing things everyone agrees about. I learn about Pakistan, and the thinking of Pakistanis, by reading the posts of others and the posts that respond to topics that I choose to post.

1) Yes, you were accusing me of being judgemental. Go and read the post again. On the one hand, you conveniently take the Wahabi side when it suits your ends. However, when that isn't the case you suddenly change your standpoint 180 degrees. I find that very awkward and even hypocritical.

2) Learn, discuss and take keen interest in maligning the other side you may add. Don't you think that the majority on this forum don't understand what the real motive is behind posting such sensational topics. You have no sympathy for the women of Peshawar. Neither do you care for the people of Peshawar. Your aim is very clear and it isn't sincere.

 

[deckingraj]

I actually recently visited Peshawar and have witnessed the situation first hand. Whatever you claim is absolutely spot on. People are on almost a daily basis being martyred due to explosions. The security situation isn't safe to put it mildly. I also believe that it would be safer for women in particular to reside with their families in such times of insecurity. Women are easy prey for criminals in such circumstances. Some members here are crying foul as if the women are being paraded in stadiums and executed. It's nothing but hypocrisy.

What members including me are complaining is treating women as if they are dumb and feeble...Those who feel threatened should stay with their family but those who do want to live alone irrespective of the situation should not be forced....Now how come a single man can save himself against an armed terrorist especially when explosions are happening at will but not a single women???? Does this sound hypocrisy by any stretch of imagination???

 

[illuminatus]

I live in Peshawar Hayatabad and i know many women living alone. And i heard no news of women getting killed. And why order women to not live alone. Why not arrest those murderers.

Hayatabad is a hotbed of Afghans. Following the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, approximately 1 million Afghan refugees arrived in Pakistan, many of these settling in Hayatabad. Not very representative to portray the security of the local populace in my opinion. Besides, Hayatabad is one of the most developed areas in Peshawar. Mostly rich and well established folks reside in this part of Peshawar. Let's take the whole picture and include other parts of Peshawar as well which will give us a much clearer understanding of the security situation. Doing that you will only come to one conclusion. Peshawar isn't safe. Not for men, children nor for women.

 

[illuminatus]

What members including me are complaining is treating women as if they are dumb and feeble...Those who feel threatened should stay with their family but those who do want to live alone irrespective of the situation should not be forced....Now how come a single man can save himself against an armed terrorist especially when explosions are happening at will but not a single women???? Does this sound hypocrisy by any stretch of imagination???

That is your assumption. An assumption that I completely differ with for the reason I've already stated. You assume that such measures taken by the authorities are discriminatory against women whilst not fully grasping the ground reality. Peshawar is practically an unstable war zone. Anyone that doesn't acknowledge this has either been hiding in a cave or hibernating for the past few years. Don't compare a man with a woman please. I understand that many here are obsessed with the idea of giving equal rights to women (which btw is all fine with me), but try to understand the physical differences. A male is in a much better position to protect his family. Especially, in a society like Peshawar where male are more dominant in the public domain. Once you understand the cultural sensitivities and the declining security situation of this city you'll also appreciate the measures taken by the authority to safeguard women.

 

[deckingraj]

Peshawar isn't safe. Not for men, children nor for women.

Exactly that's the point that i am trying to make....Why singling out women when it comes to forcing someone by law...As said before i strongly believe considering women as weaker sex and thus all laws against their freedom should be unequivocally condemned...If security situation is bad then it is bad for all and not just women alone....

To give an example fatwas are raised for all women to wear burqa or they will be targeted...Now how do you deal with the problem??? Make a law for all women to wear burqa or get rid of the problem maker and leave the choice of wearing burqa to women???