Peshawar mosque ulema refuse to accept Reut-i-Hilal committee

[SQ8]

Muslims are obliged to start their month of fasting if anywhere in the Muslim Khilafah, the moon is sighted. There are Hadith stating this, so when the Moon is sighted in Saudi Arabia, we should start fasting like all the arab states, I don't understand what the hell is wrong with the Ulemas here, the Chairman of the Royet-e-Hilal committee is a Barelvi and that Masjid Qasim Maulvis are Deobandis, thats why they divide the whole nation every year!

Muslims are a one nation so there's ONE MOON and ONE EID, not the otherwise!

Would you be so kind as to quote the hadiath..
and if the above is true..
why dont you offer prayers at the same time as well??
I mean if the zuhr in Saudi arabia is at 2 o clock thier time.. we should offer it at 6 perhaps??
And the Americans should offer it at 6 in the morning..
After all, why stop at eid or ramadan to synchronize with the ummah?

 

[VCheng]

Would you be so kind as to quote the hadiath..
and if the above is true..
why dont you offer prayers at the same time as well??
I mean if the zuhr in Saudi arabia is at 2 o clock thier time.. we should offer it at 6 perhaps??
And the Americans should offer it at 6 in the morning..
After all, why stop at eid or ramadan to synchronize with the ummah?

If the timings for prayers and fasting are set by sunrise and sunset alone, then by the limits of human endurance, no muslim could go or live above the arctic/antarctic circles (or even even within a few hundred miles of them). So then how can Islam be universally applicable? Something has to be worked around. No?

 

[pak-marine]

These mosques and mullahs inside needs sorting out by GOP ... Gop must take control over these mulahs asap

 

[SQ8]

If the timings for prayers and fasting are set by sunrise and sunset alone, then by the limits of human endurance, no muslim could go or live above the arctic/antarctic circles (or even even within a few hundred miles of them). So then how can Islam be universally applicable? Something has to be worked around. No?

Exactly..
The work around thing.. is what makes Islam universally applicable.
its not a "keep your back exactly at 90 degrees when bowing" religion.
Lets assume somebody lives in Alaska.. 3 months of daylight??
Well.. then why can the same person follow the sunset and sunrise timings of somebody in the same timezone a few latitudes below?



God gave everybody some nice grey matter in the head.. using that is not Haram in Islam.

But then again, you arent advised to decide everything by yourself in religion, just as you would not go out to build a supercomputer without reading a few books.. or consulting with a few people.
However, if you are isolated.. alone, no other person to consult with and reach an acceptable decision on the matter.
Then trust in god, and do what you think is right.. leaving the rest for him to judge.. and not worry about your local Mullah coming to expel you out of the circle of Islam.

 

[punit]

hamare yaha to ye panga nahi hota hai.? Am i right?

 

[VCheng]

Exactly..
The work around thing.. is what makes Islam universally applicable.
its not a "keep your back exactly at 90 degrees when bowing" religion.
Lets assume somebody lives in Alaska.. 3 months of daylight??
Well.. then why can the same person follow the sunset and sunrise timings of somebody in the same timezone a few latitudes below?



God gave everybody some nice grey matter in the head.. using that is not Haram in Islam.

But then again, you arent advised to decide everything by yourself in religion, just as you would not go out to build a supercomputer without reading a few books.. or consulting with a few people.
However, if you are isolated.. alone, no other person to consult with and reach an acceptable decision on the matter.
Then trust in god, and do what you think is right.. leaving the rest for him to judge.. and not worry about your local Mullah coming to expel you out of the circle of Islam.

We are on the same page here Santro.

Either Islam has mechanisms for intelligent adaptation built-in or it cannot be universally applicable.

One or the the other.

I am firmly in Camp #1.

 

[Peregrine]

Muslims are one nation? NO.
There is one moon? YES.
There is one Eid? Heck NO!

Not the otherwise? Will take decades more for muslims to realise that.

Do Muslims observe Eid with respect to the sighting of the moon ? Yes
Is the sighting of the moon unvaried at all parts of the Earth? No
Does this mean that Vcheng has no idea, what he is blabbering about? HELL-YEAH
Should Vcheng not poke his nose into matters about which he has zero cognition of? You Bet.

Just for the sake of clarity regarding the sightings of the moon.

When the moon is sighted in a place on earth, right at that moment there are two days and dates prevailing all over the globe. Some places have already started their next day. Those places can not start the month at that time. They have to wait for the next sunset time to start new month, and hence their month will not start on the same day as the place where the moon was sighted.
Suppose the moon is only possible to be seen in Hawaii and nowhere in the world. Even if we know ahead of time that the moon will be sighted in Hawaii, the time of starting Islamic month will be after sunset in Hawaii (around 6:00pm). At that time in Tokyo, the time will be 1:00pm of the next day. If this was month of Ramadan, this is way past Suhoor time in Tokyo. They cannot start fasting 9 hours before the month can begin anywhere in the world e.g. in Hawaii in this case

 

[somebozo]

The question is who appointed these ulemas on these positios of power?? did they inherit this right by birth or same self-appointed??

 

[VCheng]

Do Muslims observe Eid with respect to the sighting of the moon ? Yes

Yes, but why are there two or even more Eid? Either there are more than one moons or different groups of Muslims go do their own thing.

Is the sighting of the moon unvaried at all parts of the Earth? No

The moon sightings can be predicted exactly for each location decades in advance with great accuracy.

Does this mean that Vcheng has no idea, what he is blabbering about? HELL-YEAH

How do you know about what my ideas are? I am sure others can decide about the value of my posts compared to yours for themselves.

Should Vcheng not poke his nose into matters about which he has zero cognition of? You Bet.

I will poke my nose wherever I darn please until Admin or Mods kick me out. Please feel free to advise them accordingly. Thanks.

 

[Peregrine]

Yes, but why are there two or even more Eid? Either there are more than one moons or different groups of Muslims go do thing.
The moon sightings can be predicted exactly for each location decades in advance with great accuracy

Please bother to go through the extract which i had provided in my previous post. I pasted it there for a reason you know...........

Please feel free to advise them accordingly. Thanks.

Sorry i ain't no stoolie.

 

[Pukhtoon]

These mosques and mullahs inside needs sorting out by GOP ... Gop must take control over these mulahs asap

Killed them all and Give there Place to Moulana Altaf Zehmatul la Alay.

On topic: Islam Need Shahdat in this matter and when they got shahdat of more then thirty people then WTF is wrong there not to accept there Sahadats.


Look at last 10 years and check this BS Commete dicission and then tell me how many time they were correct ?

0/ten years !! So Stop this nonsense about those mulla they are not the one s who decide it s about those sahadats.

 

[Imran Khan]

its realy very hard to make these mullahs one .its our bad luck we seed this plant now its strong tree of hate differences and symbol of non agree.

 

[Martian]

On topic: Islam Need Shahdat in this matter and when they got shahdat of more then thirty people then WTF is wrong there not to accept there Sahadats.


Look at last 10 years and check this BS Commete dicission and then tell me how many time they were correct ?

0/ten years !! So Stop this nonsense about those mulla they are not the one s who decide it s about those sahadats.

How can there be witnesses when Met predicted that moon would not be sighted? A witness would be reliable only when other factors (scientific tables, weather) support it.

The problem is only due to inflated egos and sectarian outlook of Ulema.

In middle east such problems don't exist due to dictatorship and control of majority sect Ulema over whole population. Here in Pakistan, these semi-literate, narrow minded, sectarian molvis are allowed to have "daairrh eent ki masjid".

 

[VCheng]

Please bother to go through the extract which i had provided in my previous post. I pasted it there for a reason you know...........

The quoted extract is totally irrelevant.

It is possible to create an exact lunar calendar predicting Eid for any place on earth in a consistent manner. Simple. Why make it so complicated, manipulated, and irrational?

 

[Pukhtoon]

How can there be witnesses when Met predicted that moon would not be sighted? A witness would be reliable only when other factors (scientific tables, weather) support it.

The problem is only due to inflated egos and sectarian outlook of Ulema.

In middle east such problems don't exist due to dictatorship and control of majority sect Ulema over whole population. Here in Pakistan, these semi-literate, narrow minded, sectarian molvis are allowed to have "daairrh eent ki masjid".

To hell with yr met predications.It juSt the Pakistani Met department who never saw the moon.If yr Met Deparment is that accurate then Why the hell is yr MUFTI MUNEEB searching the moon with those binoculars .And then again he cant see it.

While the next day even a child can see the moon and then they say Yeah Yeah Mubarik ho Riwayat e na ahal Commette ko chand nazar aa gaya hai.
And about witnesses for them there are some laws in islam and if they are under those laws then whats yr problem not accepting there shadat.