Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, the Taliban as an enemy are neither sane nor rational. Nothing is beyond these animals and one has to think of all possibilities, no matter how insane or irrational, to stop them.

I agree - now. All I meant was that it would not have been normal or reasonable to think of these totally insane actions before they occur. Had anyone predicted a sea-borne attack on Bombay aimed at the Taj and at the railway station? That's crazy, but it happened, and now people are conscious of that possibility. Now this has happened, and going forward, precautions will be taken. Could it have been anticipated? Very unlikely, but that is my personal opinion. Nobody in authority can really escape responsibility, but there are degrees of forethought and precaution involved.

 

[Special Delivery]

Is there a way for westerners to donate directly to the victims families? I know a few dollars can go a very long way, but I don't want my money being used for corruption. Does anyone have any suggestions? I would like to help.

 

[Bratva]

I am sick of this line of idiocy.

There are four - exactly FOUR - Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

Start with that.

Do you have more knowledge about covert warfare than let's say General Pervez Musharraf ?Listen the men about what India is been doing from Jalalabad and Kandahar consulates

@syedali73 let's see If General pervez musharraf also gets a negative rating fromy you know who

 

[Secur]

What about the elite that is arming Syrian rebels? How can we control them?

I dont think, you can. You cant even bring your people under control, how would you deal with those forces?

That includes terrorists and corrupt people.

I agree.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Do you have more knowledge about covert warfare than let's say General Pervez Musharraf ?Listen the men about what India is been doing from Jalalabad and Kandahar consulates

I repeat - FOUR consulates, not the fourteen or eighteen that urban legend depicts. These are:

Herat
Kandahar
Jalalabad
Mazhar-e-Sharif

Please read my post. I was annoyed at the constant refrain about fourteen Indian consulates.

And, once again, I wouldn't believe Musharraf if he said the Sun came up in the East. He is a propagandist and a liar, and a under trial in his own country's courts.

 

[Zaalim]

But most are employed by TTP!

Do you honestly believe that TTP is religious organization? They are also a merc agency, and the worst part is that they are trying to brainwash people using perverse and heretical interpretations of the Quran and hadiths. These scum bag mercs are trying to conjure up the illusion of being the champions of Islam while they commit the most extreme of sins in our religion.

They are not Muslims, not by their behavior or by their mentality. They are criminals of the worst kind that are hijacking Islam for their own gain. They need to be exterminated.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Bon ami, please tell me, what do you think, you were doing there? Something against religion and hence to be stopped by words first? I dont doubt your patriotism, I just question your beliefs. Because, I dont seem to understand looking for faith, by speaking against trivial things that aren't any problem. This isn't any Western infested idea, just some common sense as candle litting cant possibly hurt and since its not replacing anything requires no display of sadness.

P.S. I may sound harsh here, I know and I am sorry for that, but the underlying thought pattern you display there is alarmingly disturbing.

the feeling is rather mutual and i dont wish to debate further. I just gave my observation and if u cant swallow it its yr problem but dont try to justify yr western believes at others specially if they are identified and observed.

And finally stop taking advantages of an emotional situation.

 

[Solomon2]

Pakistan school attack: Why children are becoming a more common terror target

Tuesday’s attack by the Pakistani Taliban on a school in Peshawar is part of an increased willingness by terrorists to target children – and education.

By Howard LaFranchi, Staff writer DECEMBER 16, 2014

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WASHINGTON — Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani schoolgirl shot in the head by the Taliban in 2012 for speaking out for universal education, is living evidence that attacking children is not a new terrorist tactic.

But Tuesday’s deadly attack by the Pakistani Taliban on a school in Peshawar – an assault that featured suicide bombers and heavily armed gunmen going from classroom to classroom and on to the school auditorium to slaughter dozens of students – is part of an increased willingness by terrorists to target children.

In April, the Nigerian Islamist terrorist group Boko Haram kidnapped hundreds of schoolgirls, an attack that shocked the world but that was only the high-profile tip of the group’s full-on assault on both girls and boys, and on education.

Recommended: How much do you know about terrorism? Take the quiz.
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In Kabul, Afghanistan, last week, the Taliban sent a young suicide bomber into a high school auditorium to detonate himself as students watched a modern dance program – one depicting the horrors of suicide bombing. The attack was part of an intensifying destabilization campaign by the Taliban, but one that until Thursday had largely focused on the Afghan military, government officials and buildings, and sites frequented by foreigners.

While using children to get at their parents or the government is not a new terrorist tactic, the mass targeting of children, as seen in Peshawar, suggests that some degree of moral limitation on certain kinds of attacks is falling, some regional analysts say – especially as terrorists look for more stunning and horrific ways to grab the international spotlight.

“This is a massacre, and a massacre of children,” says Daniel Markey, an expert on Pakistan and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. “That means the barriers to attacking children have gone down, and that does reflect something different.”

Tuesday’s attack at the Army Public School in Peshawar resulted in at least 141 deaths, mostly students spanning elementary and middle school years.

President Obama quickly condemned the “horrific” attack, saying that “by targeting students and teachers … terrorists have once again shown their depravity.”

Depravity is certainly a word many would say applies to the Peshawar assault. But the perpetrators of the rising attacks on children often claim a certain logic – as twisted as it might seem to most – to their actions.

“They’re attacking what they see as the institutions of culture, and in particular the institutions of Western culture,” says Ebrahim Moosa, professor of Islamic studies at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana. “They see that the process of Westernization begins at school, so schools that violate strict Islamic education become targets.”

In the Peshawar attack, an added motivation was “payback time for the Pakistani Army,” Professor Moosa says.

Indeed the Pakistani Taliban, which quickly claimed responsibility for the school slaughter, justified the attack as retaliation for the Pakistani military’s campaign of the past six months against the Taliban in the country’s tribal areas – an offensive the Taliban said has resulted in hundreds of civilian deaths, including of children.

The students at the school were mostly the children of military officers. Add to that the fact that the tribal areas where the military has been on the offensive “have a very strong revenge culture,” and the result is a “lethal combination,” Moosa says.

In the case of Boko Haram in Nigeria, the attacks on schools reflect the group’s belief that Western-style education is un-Islamic. Educating girls in particular is viewed as a sin. Males at all-boys state schools that have been attacked have either been kidnapped to be forced into fighting for the terrorist group, or they have been gunned down as they have fled school dormitories under assault.

In recent months, Boko Haram also has stepped up the use of schoolgirls as suicide bombers.

In both Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal areas, the Taliban have long targeted schools, and in particular schools built with Western assistance, as ways of undermining public trust in the government and retaliating for military efforts to subdue pro-Taliban areas, says CFR’s Mr. Markey.

But in this year’s high-profile attacks involving children, Markey says he sees a kind of escalation in terrorists’ efforts to make a mark and egg on opponents to engage in the conflict they seek.

“The ability of any of these groups to attract global attention depends to some extent on how shocking their actions are,” Markey says, “and that means they’re having to find new and more horrific ways to do it.”

A school attack involving dozens of child victims sends shock waves around the world, he says, “but if it had been an attack on an army base somewhere, it’s pretty clear it wouldn’t have got as much attention.”

Notre Dame’s Moosa says terrorist attacks on children have “never been taboo,” but he says the Peshawar attack points to “a greater level of brutality than we’ve seen before.”

The world was shocked when a lone gunman got on a bus in 2012, asked for Malala Yousafzai by name, and then shot the girl who responded in the face, Moosa says. The Peshawar school attack strikes us as even more horrific because of the number of children who perished, he adds, but the motivations were not much different.

“This was a way to punish the parents for not obeying Taliban edicts,” he says, “and the Pakistani Army for coming after them.”

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[HughSlaman]

Rest in peace to the ones who lost their lives.

By pulling out ultra ridiculous conspiracy like accusing india for these, you are only insulting the victims. It looks like a giant joke when anyone here blames the outside world when we all know where is the fault.

It will seem like an "ultra ridiculous conspiracy theory" only if you have a ridiculously low knowledge about the relations between India and Pakistan, and about how intelligence agencies operate.

Intelligence agencies are supposed to do things in ways that are covert, and deniable. This means they are always involved in some conspiracy or the other.

Subversion, sabotage and proxy warfare are standard tools of the intelligence agencies. That's how they make a living.

 

[Bratva]

I repeat - FOUR consulates, not the fourteen or eighteen that urban legend depicts. These are:

Herat
Kandahar
Jalalabad
Mazhar-e-Sharif

Please read my post. I was annoyed at the constant refrain about fourteen Indian consulates.

And, once again, I wouldn't believe Musharraf if he said the Sun came up in the East. He is a propagandist and a liar, and a under trial in his own country's courts.

You are being paranoid. A man who was General and president of country for 8 years and doesn't know a dime about how and where Intelligence games are or were played? and the video is from year 2008/9 when he wasn't even under trial

This the part where I sense desperation in your tone so to discredit a credible man because you don't know half of what he knows and yeah you are trying to win an argument.

 

[Gunsnroses]

First Taqleed is blind following of Imam all four Imams said if you find a Hadees and there saying is going against that than we have to follow the Hadees following is only of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and for these attacks yes all religious leaders should come forward and also we need to attack both with cruise missile and covert operations against TTP bases in Afghanistan

:facepalm:
They said out of humbleness, otherwise no commoner can claim the virtue they had in jurisprudence and taqwa.

 

[HughSlaman]

I repeat - FOUR consulates, not the fourteen or eighteen that urban legend depicts. These are:

Herat
Kandahar
Jalalabad
Mazhar-e-Sharif

Please read my post. I was annoyed at the constant refrain about fourteen Indian consulates.

And, once again, I wouldn't believe Musharraf if he said the Sun came up in the East. He is a propagandist and a liar, and a under trial in his own country's courts.

He is no longer under trial, and in any case the case against with was originally not a just one; rather it was political revenge against him by Nawaz and his cronies.

And nobody here believes anything you say either, just for your information.

 

[Bang Galore]

It's difficult to think of obscene possibilities like this one. Nobody sane or rational could have anticipated this.

Actually it isn't. It's something I have feared (maybe I'm neither sane or rational) for a very long time (in an Indian context) because of the impact it will have on public sentiment. Terrorists killing children would evoke public emotions that may be uncontrollable. Nor is it something of an unknown possibility in the subcontinent.There was a report that the terrorists involved in the Samba attack had planned to storm the army public school.

Samba terrorists had planned to storm Army Public School, take children hostage - Indian Express

 

[Daneshmand]

Salafism doesn't allow for any of that, not any more than the rest of the sects. Calling others Kaffir? Barelvis, Shias, Ahmadis and most other sects do that too, alot. It's about individuals. Sick individuals are sick and they will twist any ideology to make it sick.

Nazism (kind of) used to be National Socialism - not that bad of an ideology. But Hitler turned it into a racist and destructive ideology. The same applies here.

I've seen plenty of Barelvi imams call Saudis or Deobandis or Salafis (What they call 'Wahabis') kaffir. Yet some of my best friends are Barelvis. Its about Individuals, individuals who twist ideologies. An ideology is nothing without its followers. An ideology didn't kill a hundred children today - individuals did.

Well, you can go on and believe that. But the evidence on the ground contradicts you. 99% of all these scumbags whether in West, East or in the middle belong to the 2 ideologies: A) Najd of Saudi Arabia and B) Deoband of India.

If you could show us that equal numbers of these scumbags were following other sects and religions, then your argument would be convincing. But unfortunately we know that Brelvis, Shias, Ahmadis, Budhists, etc etc are not blowing themselves up every where, holding up black&white flags.

Nazism is actually was an amalgamation of extremists Christianity and a politico-economical system. Takfirism is not any more different. It is an extremist Islamic ideology combined with a promise of a Utopian politico-economic system for its followers once they have killed all those who are not following their ideology.

The difference between Brelvis who call and what Salafis call, is huge. One goes and eats his roti at home and sleeps with his wife and the other goes and forms crazy militant outfits bent on killing soldiers, civilians, women and children without mercy.

As I said, there were very nice and even agreeable Nazi citizen in Hitler's German but the ideology was the culprit. Here it is no different. Unless the ideology is not tackled the way it was tackled in Post War Germany, Pakistan will continue to suffer, no matter how much Pakistan invests in its Army and Intel services. The core of this problem facing Pakistan is a violent ideology. You can not fight an ideology with security measures and brute force alone. You must uproot the ideology feeding it.

Here is a question for you: Have Pakistani Deobandi/Takfiri mullahs come out and unequivocally and unconditionally condemned this attack, and its perpetrators without making excuses on their behalf? Have they demanded for the perpetrators be brought before the law and punished to the maximum extent possible?

I thought so.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@Bratva relax leave joe alone. He is a fine guy and i give it to him but he is afterall a pretty narrow minded in this bilateral affairs viz a viz pakistan. Mushy just said that we want peace with honor and dignity now thats something dont go down their throats because their radicalized minds viz a viz pakistan which comes from their RSS and other influenced bureaucrats in both military and civil. That Ajay Devol and Narendra Modi combination is quit strong!!!

So talk to indians in this context by keeping this thing in yr minds first.

Pakistan school attack: Why children are becoming a more common terror target

Tuesday’s attack by the Pakistani Taliban on a school in Peshawar is part of an increased willingness by terrorists to target children – and education.

By Howard LaFranchi, Staff writer DECEMBER 16, 2014

• 
  
  B.K. Bangash/AP
  View Caption

WASHINGTON — Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani schoolgirl shot in the head by the Taliban in 2012 for speaking out for universal education, is living evidence that attacking children is not a new terrorist tactic.

But Tuesday’s deadly attack by the Pakistani Taliban on a school in Peshawar – an assault that featured suicide bombers and heavily armed gunmen going from classroom to classroom and on to the school auditorium to slaughter dozens of students – is part of an increased willingness by terrorists to target children.

In April, the Nigerian Islamist terrorist group Boko Haram kidnapped hundreds of schoolgirls, an attack that shocked the world but that was only the high-profile tip of the group’s full-on assault on both girls and boys, and on education.

Recommended: How much do you know about terrorism? Take the quiz.
​

In Kabul, Afghanistan, last week, the Taliban sent a young suicide bomber into a high school auditorium to detonate himself as students watched a modern dance program – one depicting the horrors of suicide bombing. The attack was part of an intensifying destabilization campaign by the Taliban, but one that until Thursday had largely focused on the Afghan military, government officials and buildings, and sites frequented by foreigners.

While using children to get at their parents or the government is not a new terrorist tactic, the mass targeting of children, as seen in Peshawar, suggests that some degree of moral limitation on certain kinds of attacks is falling, some regional analysts say – especially as terrorists look for more stunning and horrific ways to grab the international spotlight.

“This is a massacre, and a massacre of children,” says Daniel Markey, an expert on Pakistan and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. “That means the barriers to attacking children have gone down, and that does reflect something different.”

Tuesday’s attack at the Army Public School in Peshawar resulted in at least 141 deaths, mostly students spanning elementary and middle school years.

President Obama quickly condemned the “horrific” attack, saying that “by targeting students and teachers … terrorists have once again shown their depravity.”

Depravity is certainly a word many would say applies to the Peshawar assault. But the perpetrators of the rising attacks on children often claim a certain logic – as twisted as it might seem to most – to their actions.

“They’re attacking what they see as the institutions of culture, and in particular the institutions of Western culture,” says Ebrahim Moosa, professor of Islamic studies at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana. “They see that the process of Westernization begins at school, so schools that violate strict Islamic education become targets.”

In the Peshawar attack, an added motivation was “payback time for the Pakistani Army,” Professor Moosa says.

Indeed the Pakistani Taliban, which quickly claimed responsibility for the school slaughter, justified the attack as retaliation for the Pakistani military’s campaign of the past six months against the Taliban in the country’s tribal areas – an offensive the Taliban said has resulted in hundreds of civilian deaths, including of children.

The students at the school were mostly the children of military officers. Add to that the fact that the tribal areas where the military has been on the offensive “have a very strong revenge culture,” and the result is a “lethal combination,” Moosa says.

In the case of Boko Haram in Nigeria, the attacks on schools reflect the group’s belief that Western-style education is un-Islamic. Educating girls in particular is viewed as a sin. Males at all-boys state schools that have been attacked have either been kidnapped to be forced into fighting for the terrorist group, or they have been gunned down as they have fled school dormitories under assault.

In recent months, Boko Haram also has stepped up the use of schoolgirls as suicide bombers.

In both Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal areas, the Taliban have long targeted schools, and in particular schools built with Western assistance, as ways of undermining public trust in the government and retaliating for military efforts to subdue pro-Taliban areas, says CFR’s Mr. Markey.

But in this year’s high-profile attacks involving children, Markey says he sees a kind of escalation in terrorists’ efforts to make a mark and egg on opponents to engage in the conflict they seek.

“The ability of any of these groups to attract global attention depends to some extent on how shocking their actions are,” Markey says, “and that means they’re having to find new and more horrific ways to do it.”

A school attack involving dozens of child victims sends shock waves around the world, he says, “but if it had been an attack on an army base somewhere, it’s pretty clear it wouldn’t have got as much attention.”

Notre Dame’s Moosa says terrorist attacks on children have “never been taboo,” but he says the Peshawar attack points to “a greater level of brutality than we’ve seen before.”

The world was shocked when a lone gunman got on a bus in 2012, asked for Malala Yousafzai by name, and then shot the girl who responded in the face, Moosa says. The Peshawar school attack strikes us as even more horrific because of the number of children who perished, he adds, but the motivations were not much different.

“This was a way to punish the parents for not obeying Taliban edicts,” he says, “and the Pakistani Army for coming after them.”

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isnt that sweet to see a christian messionary source claiming their own theories and trying to shape up things from their own POV and its shared by none other then this Jewish American fraud!!!!

Havnt u left the forum already of shame?