Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[iPhone]

It's difficult to think of obscene possibilities like this one. Nobody sane or rational could have anticipated this.

Actually no, these savage creatures did say they will kill the children of the police and army personnel participating in this operation. They, on numerous occasions, in the past have killed army personnel families. So, yes, we know what they're capable of but continue to drop our guard against them.

 

[Judge]

They danced around in that ship.

They tried to pressure India to stop using the ships.
India had however preempted that move by getting Russian submarines in BoB. If the US interfered, Soviets warned that they would as well.

Secondly, US threatened an all out war if India attacked West Pakistan.

Give the US credit for trying as hard as they could and succeeding in preventing India from attacking West Pakistan. You all sound extremely ungrateful for the help they did you - to the best of their abilities.

 

[Secur]

speak for yourself buddy if u see it in this way then i cant do anything for u.

Bon ami, please tell me, what do you think, you were doing there? Something against religion and hence to be stopped by words first? I dont doubt your patriotism, I just question your beliefs. Because, I dont seem to understand looking for faith, by speaking against trivial things that aren't any problem. This isn't any Western infested idea, just some common sense as candle litting cant possibly hurt and since its not replacing anything requires no display of sadness.

P.S. I may sound harsh here, I know and I am sorry for that, but the underlying thought pattern you display there is alarmingly disturbing.

 

[Secur]

These are not trivial things, because they indicate just how insidious the process of radicalization is and how subtly it begins. Those who are indulging in such discussions right here on PDF are the lead brigade for the Taliban to follow. They must be stopped just as surely as the Taliban themselves, make no mistake about it, Sir.

I know, I used to debate with someone, long time ago. Not surprising, he went to the other side, soon after that. These little things give a very good insight, into the psyche of the person and at the extent, to which he is radicalized. People dont even know it and it happens. They aren't even aware and suddenly even the things which cant possibly hurt their faith, are against the religion. This proceeds until the person determines that there cant possibly be anything good in the world, to live for. You are familiar with the rest of the story.

 

[Bratva]

Almost every intelligence agency works with other intelligence agencies. That's the nature of the business. Just because there is some relationship doesn't mean that it's something out of the norm or for nefarious reasons.

These sentiments are only propagated in Pakistan. Pakistan once used Afghanistan to destabilize the region, I doubt the Indians would follow that course. It is in the best interests of the Afghan government to keep foreign influence such as this invisible yet somehow large and omnipresent Indian presence, out. That is why ISAF and the US in particular are strengthening Afghan institutions.

When top terrorist organization leader of Pakistan go to Switzerland on Indian passport or Afghan government give refuge to these terrorist leaders and host them on their soil, it does become something out of norm and for nefarious reasons. Do watch President Musharraf lecture in India to understand what I'm talking about.

And you don't know an iota about Pak/Afghan destabilizing each other history which dates back to 1950's. Like I said, you are severely lacking in knowledge about the conflicts and covert warfare of the regions. Hence what ever are you saying is a misinformed opinion devoid of any sense.

 

[Special Delivery]

If the state is not able to teach you morals, patience, tolerance, and a thirst for knowledge and helping those around you, that is when Madrassahs start going up. If the state is not able to help find you employment, develop your skills, and make you feel like you are part of the national fabric even though you might be ethnically different, that is when the ship starts sinking.

 

[Cheetah786]

I will not jump to conclusions till the terrorists are ID'd, simple. Once they are I can get back to the rest of your points.

I have no time for terrorist sympathizers. Which you clearly are one.

 

[Zaalim]

سانحہ پشاور میں ملوث تمام سات دہشتگردوں کی تصاویر جاری

not officially.. but i guess them to be multinationals, somewhere from between east Europe to ME.

Chechens?

They've been known to take children hostage.

Many of these recruits are employed by Black Water and other merc agencies.

 

[blain2]

Chechens?

They've been known to take children hostage.

Many of these recruits are employed by Black Water and other merc agencies.

But most are employed by TTP!

 

[Secur]

But most are employed by TTP!

But then, he would have to believe that there is a problem with his countrymen and the way they interpret the religion. So, why admit? Its easy to pass the blame.

 

[Azizam]

I just read more posts. God bless yoy guys.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Circumstantial evidence is scattered all along the Pak-Afghan border. What the hell those dozen or so Indian consulates doing in Afghanistan? How many Afghans travel to India and what volume of trade is being made between Afghanistan and India for which these many consulates are needed? You know the evidence is with the GoP, the intelligence agencies, and the Armed forces. Statements form the top ranking civil and military officials are on the record. What else do you need? You want security/intelligence agencies to post top secret intel documents and video evidence here in this thread to satisfy you?

Yes, theses bastards get support from within but they are being sheltered, trained, and armed in Afghanistan is also not a secret; you don't want to see it is another thing.

I am sick of this line of idiocy.

There are four - exactly FOUR - Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

Start with that.

 

[Zarvan]

You stopped me going into details sis

Don't get me wrong, but the ideology of getting acquainted by random reading, understanding and interpretation has led us to the point that we have lost more than 50,000 innocent lives, plus those of today. You SHOULD NOT and MUST NOT read Quran and Hadith and interpretation on your own as there is a very fine line between the right path and going astray. We have plenty of examples of it. I never said this before but I am a doctor who has studied 10 years to qualify for a specialist and then became eligible to work in my speciality. You will never allow any paramedic with the similar years of experience to treat your relative, will you? Similarly, have Quran - the book of ALL specialities, and Hadiths - the refined approach of Quran become this damn easy that anybody will come up with his BS interpretation without any degree or specialization and start giving his verdicts on the whole belief system? No Ma'am, sorry! Not acceptable until and unless he is (1) from ahlus sunnah wal jama'at, (2) has ijaza from peers. @TankMan also has wrong and usual explanation of taqleed found in free pamphlets distributed outside the mosques. Those handouts have RUINED Pakistan and now every other person is either a full blown mufti or religious dimwit passing fatwas wherever and whenever he can. Another point was Taqleed which is NOT blind following in any way but the extract of hundreds of hours of contemplations of the peers of ahlus sunnah wal jama'at - the system established right after the passing away of Beloved SAW so the judgements given were 99.9% correct if not 100%. How can we argue after 1400 years that fulan hadith is weak which was not weak for Hanafi, Shafai, Maliki or Hanbali ulema some 1300 years ago? I never give an ear when someone quickly disregard a hadith calling it weak; instead that hadith becomes a gem to me. Once the ideology of self proclaimed clergy will be diminished from the earth, we Muslims will be at peace. You called me ignorant in one of your post because of that.....that religious policing sensor detecting me with a threshold of suspected ignorant. You don't even know my background. But am immune. And if I misunderstood you, I humbly apologise. Also, I will not indulge myself in any reply-upon-reply responses. Just said what I felt right.

Ps: I tried to be careful not to hurt anyone's feelings. But still someone is hurt, I sincerely apologise.
Pss: I have not dragged any sect, instead portrayed view points of ahlus sunnah wal jama'at and why we are suffering today
@waz please feel free to delete my post if I am diverting the topic despite many warnings

First Taqleed is blind following of Imam all four Imams said if you find a Hadees and there saying is going against that than we have to follow the Hadees following is only of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and for these attacks yes all religious leaders should come forward and also we need to attack both with cruise missile and covert operations against TTP bases in Afghanistan

 

[Secur]

First Taqleed is blind following of Imam all four Imams said if you find a Hadees and there saying is going against that than we have to follow the Hadees following is only of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and for these attacks yes all religious leaders should come forward and also we need to attack both with cruise missile and covert operations against TTP bases in Afghanistan

What about the madarsas producing these terrorists in the country? What should we do about them? Or there isn't no such thing?

I am trying to know, what the terrorists apologist think about it. Please answer.

This argument is too old now.

Saying passing the liability is very old now!

Internal factors must be dealt with.

But how about the external factors that are influencing internal factors?

With the amount of financing going on for the terrorists from inside and outside...What should be the strategy that can solve the problem once and for all?

Not unless of course, the dealing with internal factors is within our control and one of the major problems, right?

 

[Zarvan]

Let's just say it guys - Muslims, in particular Sunni Muslims, have a problem to solve. That is not to say that the religion itself has problems. But that there is a growing percent of intolerance, hatred and violence preached by so-called Muslims. Other religions have had this problems in the past as well and still continue to do. But as of today, it is the so-called Muslims that are doing this more than anyone or anything else. Muslims need to unite and crush this ideology. I don't think this is should that is insurmountable or impossible.

Military operations are one thing, but it needs to also happen at grass roots. Kick Wahabi Islam, Wahabi madrassas, and the whole wahabi ideology to the curb. Stop talking of non-muslims, Shias, Ahmedis as if they're less important. Who cares if Ahmedis call themselves muslims, their religion is between themselves and their god - let them. The blasphemy laws need to exterminated. They're used to settle scores, and the whole idea behind them is flawed to begin with. What kind of religion is it that can't take criticism?

These are my thoughts. I have felt this way for a while, but didn't say this because I thought we had made some progress with Zarb-e-azb. It just seems like we've gone back in time with this attack.



India may well be supporting terrorists but the problem is that we need to be publicly blaming them and showing evidence of their collusion and/or support. If we can't do that, it is the fault of our government for being so weak.

O really defeat or kick out Wahabis when you always fail to read the work of MUHAMMAD BIN ABDUL WAHAB and prove that its not according to Quran and Sunnah