Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[extinct]

All these men should receive counseling to avoid/reduce long term psychological issues.

I have several family members and friends who were or are in PA and served in different theaters of war but have never heard of any case of PTSD in PA... I believe that being immensely sad at the moment is nothing but human but having nightmares for months or years is a whole different matter... it is the latter that is the signature of PTSD which miraculously is absent in PA...

 

[VCheng]

I have several family members and friends who were or are in PA and served in different theaters of war but have never heard of any case of PTSD in PA... I believe that being immensely sad at the moment is nothing but human but having nightmares for months or years is a whole different matter... it is the latter that is the signature of PTSD which miraculously is absent in PA...

That is an interesting discussion as to why you think that might be, but I am afraid it is off topic for this thread.

 

[extinct]

That is an interesting discussion as to why you think that might be, but I am afraid it is off topic for this thread.

Off topic indeed, my apologies for diverging, but such is my experience. It might be an exception but I stated what I have observed all my youth and adult life (to date). Zero reports of PTSD from the veterans and injured veterans as well but these are all personal experiences. I am not denying that such a rehab plan should be implemented (and thankful to find that it is infact in place).

 

[FaujHistorian]

I have several family members and friends who were or are in PA and served in different theaters of war but have never heard of any case of PTSD in PA... I believe that being immensely sad at the moment is nothing but human but having nightmares for months or years is a whole different matter... it is the latter that is the signature of PTSD which miraculously is absent in PA...

Extinct bhai,

I too have relatives in army in the past and in present.

PTSD is not absent in PA, it is of lower intensity compared to US army. So why it is lower in intensity compared to let's say US soldiers? There are many many reasons both professional and social.

1. Average age of fresh recruit in PA is higher compared to US army. This allows a bit more mature men to participate in the war and then be able to deal with after effects.

2. Martial traditions - Pakistani army is recruited from a distinct group of regions / tribes. While US army has much bigger and wider recruitment base.

3. Retirement age is much much higher in PA compared to US army. In US army, you do certain numbers of tours of duty, and you are let go into civilian life. In PA (or Indian army), The concept is very very limited and few army men leave army after 3-4 years of service.

4. Family structure. this is linked to #2 above. As most of the soliders come from martial tribes, certain outcomes like death and injury is accepted as "natural outcome", and everyone around the injured /handicapped soldier is willing to lend a helping hand.

5. Lack of alcoholism. While Alcohol in small quantities is great for ones health, the same think can't be said about someone becoming alcohol say finishing 1 or 2 bottles of liquor a day. I suspect a lot of PTSD issues become much worse when you add drug/alcohol abuse.


Please make sure you look at all of these as a holistic combo and not as individual factors. Some people may try to drag "Islam" into this, but that is not a valid reason. Sikh and Hindu from martial tribes do as well if not better than Muslims soldiers from martial tribes.

So there you have it.

Please feel free to add more if you like.


Thank you.

I have started a separate thread so as not to distract from OP in this thread. Please respond there.
PTSD and other psychological issues in Pakistan army

 

[Screambowl]

your demand to "define Islamists and Islamo-fascists" reminds me of a story.

A prostitute was letting her "customers" and "sponsors" do anal penetration without any protection.

Someone pointed out to her that she should stop this otherwise she has high chances of dying due to AIDS.

you know what that hut-dharam prostitute said in response?

She said "define AIDS".

your question in a thread about 140 cold blooded murders at the hands of Islamo-fascists is

just like the question of that prostitute.

Sorry to see your hut-dharam posts.

so sad.

If people of subcontinent keep accepting Arabs as their masters. This fanaticism will not go.
Mashallah, Jedda ya Abu Dhabi mein rahenge Musalmano ke beech, these words I have heard from many people.

Muslims and term Arab, are two different things. This people forget.

 

[razgriz19]

 

[Screambowl]

sounds fake, but good technique of PSYWAR.

 

[SMC]

sounds fake, but good technique of PSYWAR.

Not sure why it'd be fake, but regardless the officer is absolutely right near the end. Alllah and the prophet (PBUH) already have told us about the self-professed "fighterss of Islam" who will kill innocent civilians in the name of god, and these gutter rats will die the deaths of insects, to be sent to the depths of hell. This commander thug will achieve that end if he hasn't already.

 

[Screambowl]

Not sure why it'd be fake, but regardless the officer is absolutely right near the end. Alllah and the prophet (PBUH) already have told us about the self-professed "fighterss of Islam" who will kill innocent civilians in the name of god, and these gutter rats will die the deaths of insects, to be sent to the depths of hell. This commander thug will achieve that end if he hasn't already.

if you go through my posts , well I have spoken about PSYWAR that Pakistan needs to shift from India towards these terrorists. Such videos are needed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thanks you have proven yourself a genious who can talk anything & everything but off course not the subject here?
Now is ghandhara culture is needed to be included here too?

I will be happy to communicate with you on any subject, any subject whatsoever, which you can spell.

 

[extinct]

if you go through my posts , well I have spoken about PSYWAR that Pakistan needs to shift from India towards these terrorists. Such videos are needed.

Oh Lord!... @Screambowl can you please go to some IA forum (what was it hindu rakhshash or something like that) and give the same advice there only saying that Pakistan is not the enemy but some XYZ is... Dude you guys even cheat in a Kabuddi match when it comes to Pakistan v. India... YES TTP IS THE ENEMY WE ALL AGREE but it is just a puppet "reincarnation" (pun intended) of another and WE GET THAT TOO... follow the money/logistics trail and it will lead to the real source...

 

[Screambowl]

Oh Lord!... @Screambowl can you please go to some IA forum (what was it hindu rakhshash or something like that) and give the same advice there only saying that Pakistan is not the enemy but some XYZ is... Dude you guys even cheat in a Kabuddi match when it comes to Pakistan v. India... YES TTP IS THE ENEMY WE ALL AGREE but it is just a puppet "reincarnation" (pun intended) of another and WE GET THAT TOO... follow the money/logistics trail and it will lead to the real source...

How are you going to follow money when the followers them self are funded and have sympathy. Similar case happens in India and whole subcontinent is under this trap.

Even after so much catastrophes, there is cease fire violation going on currently at LOC, go and see the news. You think, it will work? I don't think so. Few days back Pakistan said they are shifting their troop to western border. Well under such circumstances when few Mujahids start to infiltrate when your force is not there, no option is left. It's a bloody vicious circle.

 

[extinct]

How are you going to follow money when the followers them self are funded and have sympathy. Similar case happens in India and whole subcontinent is under this trap.

I am sorry I said what I said in the previous post, this is a solemn thread and I will henceforth make a conscious effort to refrain from stating/explaining the root cause of this and similar atrocities... by the way whatever happened on LOC (and even working boundary Sialkot sector etc) was a political stunt by GoI and nothing else... oops I did it again...

 

[Screambowl]

I am sorry I said what I said in the previous post, this is a solemn thread and I will henceforth make a conscious effort to refrain from stating/explaining the root cause of this and similar atrocities... by the way whatever happened on LOC (and even working boundary Sialkot sector etc) was a political stunt by GoI and nothing else... oops I did it again...

whatever argument you bring.. there is a loss of life which neither you are stopping and to some level our planners are also not concerned.

 

[batmannow]

I will be happy to communicate with you on any subject, any subject whatsoever, which you can spell.

Dear I was a soilder , I know just one language & its the language of bullet & blood , let's make you happy forever , I did my best to target indian skulls in kargill .
the score my friends told me was 299 & always the right eye hole ?
That was my mark !
Peoples like me , can be every thing even a friend to the Indians but we can't accept the stupid dominance of Indian superiority complex .
Now thats loud & clear , having said that I am not an academic to cheer you up , but I will give you your worst times on PDF ask peoples I am specialist on that.
My kids in Peshawar got butchered by these animals , I am very angry , trying whatever I can to eat them alive !
&
I am not ready to give a dam to your dam overovereducated academic heroics ?