Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[Solomon2]

In this game of strategic interests there are no permanent enemies neither friends -

This is the kind of thinking that undermines moral character at home and abroad. It's one of the reasons I'm glad I don't live in an E.U. country.

 

[Hurter]

Coz it'll spark a rebellion. And they did right, retaliation to avenge Osama has been nil till now.

Such type of answer is expected from an Indian.

 

[Joe Shearer]

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[airmarshal]

Raheel Shareef did very well.

He went to Afghanistan, showed them evidence and threatened the country of military strikes if it does not take action against our enemies using Afghan soil.

 

[Immanuel]

Inida has no need to use such methods, our capability on inflicting heavy casaulties on PA everytime we are chellenged is more than enough. We backed Mukti because PA was busy with genocide in erstwhile East Pak, it was the humane thing to do.

Bangladesh sets up war crimes court - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

Funny thing is people keep saying India is financing terror orgs. reality is we are having to do with budget cuts in the IA and we are finding it hard to find cash for key expensive deals.

As said before, this whining about India will only make this issue more delussional, for India there is no change but some sympathy, its business as usual, India is focused entirely on improving its armed forces with better tech, training. We are busy ignoring Pak at UN and virtually all arenas, we are watching carefully but Pak has long been out India's causes for concern, India is busy with China and building capability for a multi front war.

 

[ghazi52]

Tears, loss and despair for our children

PESHAWAR: Taliban militants entered an army-run school on Warsak road early morning Tuesday, taking students and teachers hostage. Shah Farman, the KP Minister of Information says there are approximately 80-100 unconfirmed dead. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif described the attack as a “national tragedy unleashed by savages”. “These were my children. This is my loss. This is the nation's loss,” he said.

A soldier escorts schoolchildren after they were rescued from the Army Public School that is under attack by Taliban gunmen in Peshawar. — Reuters

Pakistani security forces takes up positions on a road leading to the Army Public School. — Reuters

Pakistani security forces drive on a road leading to the Army Public School. — Reuters

A soldier escorts schoolchildren after they were rescued from the Army Public School. — Reuters

A man talks on a phone, with his arm around a student.— Reuters

Pakistani volunteers carry a student injured in the shootout. — AP

A Pakistani woman weeps as she waits at a hospital, where victims of a Taliban attack are being treated in Peshawar. — AP

A man carries a student, who was injured during the attack. — Reuters

Rescue workers and family members carry the coffin of a student, who was killed during the attack. — Reuters

 

[waleed3601]

For Our Children (The Nation Editorial)

Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif, despite all that has happened, despite the many sacrifices of the brave soldiers who have died fighting terrorists, you refuse to employ a blanket policy against non-state actors. While the military conducts operations against bad Taliban in FATA, it continues to protect sectarian elements in Quetta, the Afghan Taliban and other ‘jihadi’ organisations such as Jamat-ud-Dawa

Regarding Quetta : http://tribune.com.pk/story/807567/balochistan-to-soon-become-a-land-of-peace-gen-raheel-sharif/
Also, the US itself acknowledged that PA has inflicted wounds on Haqqanis.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Yup, he was very much here. But as we have with all our fallacies.. we want to deny it and bury our heads into the ground.

Since when you started to believe on unseen?

 

[Soldier-X]

Yar hum Pakistani qom har waqat apas may lartay rahtay hain likin in bachon nay jatay jatay qom ko unite kar deya. :'(

is tara ki unity pehele bu kayi dafa dikhayi gaye lkn srf tab tak jab tak aesa incident fresh hota he... bad me dekhna phr wese ka wesa e ho jaye ga...... we need a permanent solution a parmenet policy.....

 

[SQ8]

I hope you are wrong (and will be disappointed with RAW if you stand correct about them supporting TTP).

Let's just stop this discussion and pay tribute to our little children.

The issue is the way these wars are now fought. I gave the ISIS example precisely as it is the FIRST public demonstration of how proxy wars and terrorism is backed and used on an almost freelance basis by anyone who needs to for an agenda.

What started off as an attempt by the Saudis and Israelis each with their own independent agenda to remove an Iranian backed regime in Syria, to take an example closer to your home.. take the recent Indian elections.. there are normal regular folk without any ideas of Akhand Bharat who supported NaMo in his election because they saw the potential for economic uplift, and then there are those who supported him because they wanted a temple at the site of the Babri mosque.. it is very likely that these two parties would normally not associate themselves with each other, but because the means would fulfil both their demands they joined hands.
The same way the Israelis and the Saudis joined in with the Rebels to achieve a goal they both found beneficial. The Saudis have the most potent strain of the terror virus stored away in their vaults(which ironically they've spent years on ensuring does not effect their own society as much) and they had the funds to push it in. Since the removal of Assad favours most of the GCCs agenda of having Iran out of the mix.. they all pitched in. The US finds out and decides to take over from Israel in providing the funds in this free for all against Iran. On the ground, you have the basic idea of rebels against Assad but as such its just a huge petri dish with each trying their brand of killer virus to see what kills Assad. Lo and Behold, just as with all viruses, it left the dish..and backfired..but the important point to note was the petri dish.. in this case the guinea pig of Syria and eventually Iran. So anyone who had any beef with Iran, found this nice open wound with semi-controllable viruses teeming in it, all willing to do the work for a few thousand dollars. To a state looking to settle scores or press its interests against another state.. this is the proverbial gold mine; a colony of multiple use mercenaries all willing to die for a very modest investment.

Take that same mirror and apply it to Pakistan and the TTP. Here is an opportunity(that India did not create) of anti-state elements in Pakistan(who are always on the lookout for funds and training) that are willing to do some work(via Afghan mediators) for a few thousand dollars. ANY , and I mean ANY smart state facing a neighbour like Pakistan would NEVER leave this opportunity be regardless of any pacifist ideals they may have held(hardly so considering the Indian reprisal attempts in the early 90s). In this case however, there is a massive need to avenge a wound called 26/11.. or is it?
IMHO, the issue may have a little sentiment with 26/11 but has more to do with the aforementioned need to keep Pakistan out as a border threat, out of the Kashmir issue.. and embroiled in its own survival with its own cancer where it just barely lives on.. and essentially ends up being a non-issue to India.

The issue was NEVER who fired the shot first, but who fired the shots thinking of self interest first.. and that was Pakistan. regardless of the rhetoric of Indian and Pakistani leaders, the Pk Establishment knows/knew it, the Indian Establishment/Think Tank knows it.. and its just a matter of who heads that establishment/Think Tank to bring about changes in that cyclic tit for tat "argument" on who fired the first shot and who got hurt more. Each out to act more self righteous than the other and( humorously to any martians observing) getting offended by the other's "self righteous" behaviour.

The only difference is that one Establishment/Think Tank has generally been more astute and aware of how to behave in the world "classroom", and while the other may have been more wily earlier... eventually the teacher has figured it out. Ill leave out who is who.

Since when you started to believe on unseen?

You believe in the idea that a supreme being exists who controls the universe and all in it.. and yet have issues believing that a man hunted for years lived right under your nose and was killed in an operation and his remains dumped?

 

[Joe Shearer]

The issue is the way these wars are now fought. I gave the ISIS example precisely as it is the FIRST public demonstration of how proxy wars and terrorism is backed and used on an almost freelance basis by anyone who needs to for an agenda.

What started off as an attempt by the Saudis and Israelis each with their own independent agenda to remove an Iranian backed regime in Syria, to take an example closer to your home.. take the recent Indian elections.. there are normal regular folk without any ideas of Akhand Bharat who supported NaMo in his election because they saw the potential for economic uplift, and then there are those who supported him because they wanted a temple at the site of the Babri mosque.. it is very likely that these two parties would normally not associate themselves with each other, but because the means would fulfil both their demands they joined hands.
The same way the Israelis and the Saudis joined in with the Rebels to achieve a goal they both found beneficial. The Saudis have the most potent strain of the terror virus stored away in their vaults(which ironically they've spent years on ensuring does not effect their own society as much) and they had the funds to push it in. Since the removal of Assad favours most of the GCCs agenda of having Iran out of the mix.. they all pitched in. The US finds out and decides to take over from Israel in providing the funds in this free for all against Iran. On the ground, you have the basic idea of rebels against Assad but as such its just a huge petri dish with each trying their brand of killer virus to see what kills Assad. Lo and Behold, just as with all viruses, it left the dish..and backfired..but the important point to note was the petri dish.. in this case the guinea pig of Syria and eventually Iran. So anyone who had any beef with Iran, found this nice open wound with semi-controllable viruses teeming in it, all willing to do the work for a few thousand dollars. To a state looking to settle scores or press its interests against another state.. this is the proverbial gold mine; a colony of multiple use mercenaries all willing to die for a very modest investment.

Take that same mirror and apply it to Pakistan and the TTP. Here is an opportunity(that India did not create) of anti-state elements in Pakistan(who are always on the lookout for funds and training) that are willing to do some work(via Afghan mediators) for a few thousand dollars. ANY , and I mean ANY smart state facing a neighbour like Pakistan would NEVER leave this opportunity be regardless of any pacifist ideals they may have held(hardly so considering the Indian reprisal attempts in the early 90s). In this case however, there is a massive need to avenge a wound called 26/11.. or is it?
IMHO, the issue may have a little sentiment with 26/11 but has more to do with the aforementioned need to keep Pakistan out as a border threat, out of the Kashmir issue.. and embroiled in its own survival with its own cancer where it just barely lives on.. and essentially ends up being a non-issue to India.

The issue was NEVER who fired the shot first, but who fired the shots thinking of self interest first.. and that was Pakistan. regardless of the rhetoric of Indian and Pakistani leaders, the Pk Establishment knows/knew it, the Indian Establishment/Think Tank knows it.. and its just a matter of who heads that establishment/Think Tank to bring about changes in that cyclic tit for tat "argument" on who fired the first shot and who got hurt more. Each out to act more self righteous than the other and( humorously to any martians observing) getting offended by the other's "self righteous" behaviour.

The only difference is that one Establishment/Think Tank has generally been more astute and aware of how to behave in the world "classroom", and while the other may have been more wily earlier... eventually the teacher has figured it out. Ill leave out who is who.


You believe in the idea that a supreme being exists who controls the universe and all in it.. and yet have issues believing that a man hunted for years lived right under your nose and was killed in an operation and his remains dumped?

May I copy and use this?

 

[Screambowl]

Inida has no need to use such methods, our capability on inflicting heavy casaulties on PA everytime we are chellenged is more than enough. We backed Mukti because PA was busy with genocide in erstwhile East Pak, it was the humane thing to do.

Bangladesh sets up war crimes court - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

Funny thing is people keep saying India is financing terror orgs. reality is we are having to do with budget cuts in the IA and we are finding it hard to find cash for key expensive deals.

As said before, this whining about India will only make this issue more delussional, for India there is no change but some sympathy, its business as usual, India is focused entirely on improving its armed forces with better tech, training. We are busy ignoring Pak at UN and virtually all arenas, we are watching carefully but Pak has long been out India's causes for concern, India is busy with China and building capability for a multi front war.

They do not know the consequences if they start blaming India. Neither they should, because India has been telling them past 2 decades to wipe of this scum and stop using them for their covert operations in India. Killing innocent and that too children is not India's modus operandi.

 

[SQ8]

May I copy and use this?

Absolutely Mon Capitan.

 

[Gufi]

The issue is the way these wars are now fought. I gave the ISIS example precisely as it is the FIRST public demonstration of how proxy wars and terrorism is backed and used on an almost freelance basis by anyone who needs to for an agenda.

What started off as an attempt by the Saudis and Israelis each with their own independent agenda to remove an Iranian backed regime in Syria, to take an example closer to your home.. take the recent Indian elections.. there are normal regular folk without any ideas of Akhand Bharat who supported NaMo in his election because they saw the potential for economic uplift, and then there are those who supported him because they wanted a temple at the site of the Babri mosque.. it is very likely that these two parties would normally not associate themselves with each other, but because the means would fulfil both their demands they joined hands.
The same way the Israelis and the Saudis joined in with the Rebels to achieve a goal they both found beneficial. The Saudis have the most potent strain of the terror virus stored away in their vaults(which ironically they've spent years on ensuring does not effect their own society as much) and they had the funds to push it in. Since the removal of Assad favours most of the GCCs agenda of having Iran out of the mix.. they all pitched in. The US finds out and decides to take over from Israel in providing the funds in this free for all against Iran. On the ground, you have the basic idea of rebels against Assad but as such its just a huge petri dish with each trying their brand of killer virus to see what kills Assad. Lo and Behold, just as with all viruses, it left the dish..and backfired..but the important point to note was the petri dish.. in this case the guinea pig of Syria and eventually Iran. So anyone who had any beef with Iran, found this nice open wound with semi-controllable viruses teeming in it, all willing to do the work for a few thousand dollars. To a state looking to settle scores or press its interests against another state.. this is the proverbial gold mine; a colony of multiple use mercenaries all willing to die for a very modest investment.

Take that same mirror and apply it to Pakistan and the TTP. Here is an opportunity(that India did not create) of anti-state elements in Pakistan(who are always on the lookout for funds and training) that are willing to do some work(via Afghan mediators) for a few thousand dollars. ANY , and I mean ANY smart state facing a neighbour like Pakistan would NEVER leave this opportunity be regardless of any pacifist ideals they may have held(hardly so considering the Indian reprisal attempts in the early 90s). In this case however, there is a massive need to avenge a wound called 26/11.. or is it?
IMHO, the issue may have a little sentiment with 26/11 but has more to do with the aforementioned need to keep Pakistan out as a border threat, out of the Kashmir issue.. and embroiled in its own survival with its own cancer where it just barely lives on.. and essentially ends up being a non-issue to India.

The issue was NEVER who fired the shot first, but who fired the shots thinking of self interest first.. and that was Pakistan. regardless of the rhetoric of Indian and Pakistani leaders, the Pk Establishment knows/knew it, the Indian Establishment/Think Tank knows it.. and its just a matter of who heads that establishment/Think Tank to bring about changes in that cyclic tit for tat "argument" on who fired the first shot and who got hurt more. Each out to act more self righteous than the other and( humorously to any martians observing) getting offended by the other's "self righteous" behaviour.

The only difference is that one Establishment/Think Tank has generally been more astute and aware of how to behave in the world "classroom", and while the other may have been more wily earlier... eventually the teacher has figured it out. Ill leave out who is who.

Great to see you are back to the analytic person most of your posts show you to be. The use of proxies is a well known strategy in guerrilla warfare. The issue now that is facing Pakistan is how to pursue long term peace. I do not think border incursions will help the cause because it will alienate the locals which is something we can not do. Rather an improved presence in FATA with no more tribal areas is what is needed. And a long term plan restricting the role of religion in the state needs to be found. I want to know what you think about the long term solutions ?

 

[haman10]

Iran ready to work with Pakistan in anti-terror bid: Rouhani

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has sympathized with Pakistan over a deadly attack on a school in the country, saying Tehran is ready to work with Islamabad in the fight against terrorism.

In a message to Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Wednesday, Rouhani offered condolences to the Pakistani government and the nation over the tragic incident, which left more than 140 people killed.

“This incident proved once again that countering violence and extremism, and uprooting terrorism need firm determination and willpower by the international community as well as all regional governments,” Rouhani added, stressing that Tehran is ready to cooperate with Islamabad in anti-terror fight.

In one of the bloodiest attacks in Pakistan's history, a group of gunmen reportedly dressed in military uniforms, stormed the Army Public School in Peshawar on Tuesday morning, going from classroom to classroom, shooting students and teachers.

The Pakistani military said at least 141 people, 132 of them children, lost their lives in the attack. More than 100 others were injured.

The death toll, however, does not include the terrorists who attacked the school. All seven attackers were killed in the operation.


The militant group Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was carried out in retaliation for an ongoing Pakistani military offensive against the militants.

PressTV - Iran ready to work with Pakistan in anti-terror bid: Rouhani