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Pentagon: Stealth Fighter is a Lame Jammer, End it Already

Congress and the Pentagon are locked in a battle royale over the future of the Air Force’s $150 million-per-copy F-22 Raptor stealth fighter. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates thinks 187 of the jets is just plenty. House and Senate panels have moved to buy at least another seven this year — and potentially dozens more, later.

In a Senate confirmation hearing Thursday, Marine Gen. James Cartwright, the vice chairman of Joints Chief of Staff, defended Gates’ position — and whipped out a new argument for why Raptor-making should end. Faced with shutting down either Lockheed Martin’s F-22 production line, or Boeing’s competing F/A-18E/F fighter, for cost reasons, Cartwright said he asked the military’s regional commanders what air capabilities they needed most. They chose “electronic warfare,” a.k.a. “radar jamming,” Cartwright said. That meant keeping the Boeing jet, for only it has a dedicated jammer version, the EA-18G Growler.

Cartwright’s testimony might come as a surprise to some Raptor boosters, who for years have touted the stealthy jet’s ability to perform “electronic-attack” missions, including jamming, using its sophisticated, electronically scanned radar. It’s for this reason that a top Air Force official, in 2007, said the Raptor’s “F-22″ designation simply wasn’t comprehensive enough. “It’s not an F-22, it’s an F-, A-, B-, E-, EA-, RC-, AWACS … 22,” then-Deputy Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. David Deptula said, adding the letter prefixes for bombers, spy and radar planes and jammers.

But the F-22’s electronic-attack skills have remained dormant, while the Air Force focuses on honing the jet’s air-to-air prowess, and improving vexing maintenance problems. The Raptor won’t be able to jam enemy radars, until 2011 — and then, only half the fleet will have that capability. The Raptor suffers other, serious limitations, that haven’t been widely reported. As many as half of the jets already paid for, lack modern dogfighting systems, such as helmet-mounted sights.

Still, the F-22 is the only jet that can routinely “supercruise” — flying faster than sound, without afterburner — and there are hints it can use this ability to loft AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, high enough to kill enemy satellites. But that wasn’t enough to sway top generals, when asked to choose between the Raptor and the much cheaper F-18. In a recent mock dogfight, an EA-18G “killed” an F-22 — one of only a handful of times any other fighter has managed such a feat, in the air. Now the electronic F-18 has also beaten the Raptor in the hallways of the Pentagon.
 
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nice post

Both the fighters have their advantages and disadvantages, like F22 with supercruise, elestronic attack skills makes it better than F18 but the price tag as well as maintainence cost on F22 is very high.

in my opinion, US will keep both in their inventory and use them as per their capabilities. moreover, they have learned a lot from this F22 and will use this knowledge in their future fighters like F35 is one example and 6th generation fighter s development.

regards
 
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The Raptor won’t be able to jam enemy radars, until 2011 — and then, only half the fleet will have that capability.
That mean whoever want to pick a fight with US, better do it now. That way our electronically 'feeble' F-22s can destroy only %75 of his air force instead of %100.

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It will be such a waste of money in case F-22 program halted.
But, on the contrary, if they continue the program, it will still be a waste of money.
 
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It will be such a waste of money in case F-22 program halted.
But, on the contrary, if they continue the program, it will still be a waste of money.

you are missing one thing and that is all the gain in knowledge for building a pure 5th generation fighter which has already helped them in developing F35 and will help them in future generation of fighters as well. so in my opinon, the money did not go wasted. but i agree with you that maintainence is costly for F22, no doubt.

anyhow, F22 is still the best fighter aircraft available in the world, in terms of manuverability, attack skills etc, so in terms of air superiority, US with (F22, F35, F18) is far ahead of the world, isnt it? any rich country (who can afford the maintainence) will love to have this fighter in their inventory, if US agree to sell them, isnt it?

regards

sincerely
 
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Am glad that india-russia building PAK-FA. much cheaper and more deadly than F-22 raptor (this december it will fly). PAK-FA would be raptor killer. Russia ZINDABAAD.
 
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Am glad that india-russia building PAK-FA. much cheaper and more deadly than F-22 raptor (this december it will fly). PAK-FA would be raptor killer. Russia ZINDABAAD.

good for you

can you please stick to the topic

regards
 
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you are missing one thing and that is all the gain in knowledge for building a pure 5th generation fighter which has already helped them in developing F35 and will help them in future generation of fighters as well. so in my opinon, the money did not go wasted. but i agree with you that maintainence is costly for F22, no doubt.

anyhow, F22 is still the best fighter aircraft available in the world, in terms of manuverability, attack skills etc, so in terms of air superiority, US with (F22, F35, F18) is far ahead of the world, isnt it? any rich country (who can afford the maintainence) will love to have this fighter in their inventory, if US agree to sell them, isnt it?

regards

sincerely

Well its true that F22 is a beast in terms of air superiority but one thing to be noted here is that there is no Fighter Jet in the world that cannot be handled with less costly FA-18s and F-35s.

Why do they need to have such an expensive machine now. I think they can go with FA-18 and come back on F22 after a decade when there will be JXX and Pak-Fa sort of jets in the world.
 
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Well its true that F22 is a beast in terms of air superiority but one thing to be noted here is that there is no Fighter Jet in the world that cannot be handled with less costly FA-18s and F-35s.

Why do they need to have such an expensive machine now. I think they can go with FA-18 and come back on F22 after a decade when there will be JXX and Pak-Fa sort of jets in the world.


by the time the world will come with PAKFA or JXX, they will have sixth generation lined up to be included in their inventory (for the making of which they will take a lot of help from F22 programme.

for US and in the game of super power ship, the important is to show who is the boss or leader in technology and in order to keep their superiority they have to keep themselves in the lead and this is what US is trying to do.

regards

sincerely
 
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by the time the world will come with PAKFA or JXX, they will have sixth generation lined up to be included in their inventory (for the making of which they will take a lot of help from F22 programme.

for US and in the game of super power ship, the important is to show who is the boss or leader in technology and in order to keep their superiority they have to keep themselves in the lead and this is what US is trying to do.

regards

sincerely

Agree, They will surely have something F-54 Invisible.
 
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Agree, They will surely have something F-54 Invisible.

i am not sure about invisible F54 but may be they will try to make their stealth tech maintainence cheaper in the next generation with even better kill capability, stealth features, satellite killing capability and manuverability than F22. but this is all what we can just presume but what they are actually upto we dont know yet.

regards

sincerely
 
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by the time the world will come with PAKFA or JXX, they will have sixth generation lined up to be included in their inventory (for the making of which they will take a lot of help from F22 programme.

for US and in the game of super power ship, the important is to show who is the boss or leader in technology and in order to keep their superiority they have to keep themselves in the lead and this is what US is trying to do.

regards

sincerely

The sixth generation fighter jet will surely be an unmanned aircraft. and yes they will take a lot of help from F22 program.

But I bet that USA will halt F22 production for some time.
Reasons:
1) Each peace costs a lot of money, given the current expenditure of Iraq and Afghanistan is rising.
2) Maintaining a Jet that has no adversary in the skies is an overhead. It is also costly.
3) Technology is so superior that they cannot make the money by selling it to other countries. They want to keep it to them selves for some time.
 
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by the time the world will come with PAKFA or JXX, they will have sixth generation lined up to be included in their inventory (for the making of which they will take a lot of help from F22 programme.

for US and in the game of super power ship, the important is to show who is the boss or leader in technology and in order to keep their superiority they have to keep themselves in the lead and this is what US is trying to do.

regards

sincerely

Friend 6th generation jet fighter? Dont you think america should first make 'Proper' 5th generation fighter and than think of '6th generation'??? F-22 raptor aint perfect 5th generation. i dont say that. Americans saying it. So we should stick to topic '5th generation'. Thank you.
 
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