Pentagon report: Indian Navy's new submarine hunter is ineffective

[Jf Thunder]

lol, attack america. not even in wild dreams!



I know you are not being serious. A Boeing 737 cost less than $50. This plane is like $275 million

come on, they have Air craft carriers and a Nuclear Submarine for a reason, America is already tangled in a war, it will be easy for India, no?

 

[SpArK]

USN found the defects on P-8s based in Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan. The aircrafts are relativly new and is introduced only recently with first production aircraft handed over in 2012.

Throughout 2013 .....................tests were conduced including harpoons, sonobuoys etc.

Mr shukla must have failed to notice that USN is conducting addition tests to verify the deficiencies reported and is on the way to rectify in near future in that same bloomberg news.

Additionally USN has plans for fielding two sets of aircraft upgrades to “improve anti-submarine warfare capability over several years” and has developed “an adequate test and evaluation master plan” to evaluate improvements.


Boeing Surveillance Plane Found Not Effective for Mission - Bloomberg

 

[janon]

This is beyond alarmism by Ajai Shukla to get traffic. Here is the original Bloomberg story, which he read to make his story. The Bloomberg story is based on an unreleased report that they don't explain how they got access to, and contains nothing specific. This is a report based on hearsay that is based on hearsay - ie, third hand info.

Boeing Surveillance Plane Found Not Effective for Mission - Bloomberg

Boeing Surveillance Plane Found Not Yet Effective for Miss
A new Boeing Co. (BA) surveillance aircraft deployed to Japan last month isn’t yet effective at hunting submarines or performing reconnaissance over large areas -- two of its main missions, the Pentagon’s weapons tester found.

Flaws in the $35 billion program included the plane’s radar performance, sensor integration and data transfer, Michael Gilmore, chief of the Pentagon testing office, wrote in his annual report on major weapons, which has yet to be released. He said the new P-8A Poseidon exhibited “all of the major deficiencies” identified in earlier exercises when subjected to more stressful realistic combat testing from September 2012 to March 2013.

“Many of these deficiencies” led Gilmore to determine that the P-8A “is not effective for the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance mission and is not effective for wide area anti-submarine search,” he said in a section of the report obtained by Bloomberg News. The Navy plans to conduct additional testing “to verify the correction of some deficiencies,” he wrote.

Gilmore’s conclusions suggest the initial aircraft in the program -- which packs a modified Boeing 737-800 with radar and sensors -- aren’t ready for deployment. Among its primary missions is tracking Chinese submarines. Six of the planes have been deployed to Japan supporting 7th Fleet maritime patrol operations at Naval Air Facility Atsugi as part of the U.S. strategic pivot to the Asia-Pacific region.

Vice Admiral Robert Thomas, commander of the 7th Fleet, said in a Jan. 10 press release that the aircraft “represents a significant improvement” over the older P-3 Orion from Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT), “providing the opportunity to detect, track and report on more targets than ever before.”

Delivered 13
Chicago-based Boeing last month delivered the 13th of what’s to be a 113-aircraft program. The Navy in November declared the aircraft ready for combat deployment after determining the criteria for performing effective patrols “were fully met,” Lieutenant Caroline Hutcheson, a Navy spokeswoman, said in a telephone interview.

“The P-8A was ready, was needed in theater and continues to more than meet fleet commanders’ expectations,” she said. Hutcheson said Gilmore’s office has “consistently highlighted both effective warfare areas as well as recommendations for areas to re-visit.”

“Most issues cited have been collectively identified,” and the Navy has developed “software upgrades to correct deficiencies,” she said.

Boeing spokesman Charles Ramey said in an e-mailed statement that he hadn’t seen Gilmore’s report and was unable to comment directly.

Boeing’s Comment
“Feedback we’ve received to date is that the Navy is very happy with the P-8A’s performance,” he said. “As always, Boeing will work hand in hand with the Navy to support any issues that come up.”

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, during a trip to Japan in October, lauded the P-8A’s “cutting-edge technologies.”

Gilmore spokeswoman Jennifer Elzea said the test office concluded the aircraft was effective in providing small-area searches similar to the P-3C Orion it’s replacing.

The aircraft also is effective in conducting “unarmed anti-surface warfare missions,” and its radar and supporting sensors “provide an effective, all-weather surface target search,” she said in an e-mailed statement.

Gilmore’s office also concluded the airframe is reliable, offering “significant improvements in hardware reliability, maintainability and availability” over the P-3C, she said. Overall, the Boeing system “provides increased range, payload and speed,” she said.

Raytheon Radar
Gilmore’s report said the recent realistic combat testing confirmed earlier results on flaws in the P-8’s radar “and revealed the operational implications of the radar’s limitations for some targets.” It said details are classified. Raytheon Co. makes the ocean and land-surveillance radar.

Deficiencies with on-board electronics to detect enemy anti-aircraft radar “limited threat detection” while “seriously degrading capabilities and aircraft survivability across all major missions,” the report found. Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC) makes the “Electronic Support Measures” equipment.

Elzea said the Navy is conducting additional testing “to evaluate several system technical improvements” that will be assessed by Gilmore’s office “as they are delivered.”

The Navy has plans for fielding two sets of aircraft upgrades to “improve anti-submarine warfare capability over several years” and has developed “an adequate test and evaluation master plan” to evaluate improvements, she said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Tony Capaccio in Washington at acapaccio@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: John Walcott at jwalcott9@bloomberg.net

 

[satishkumarcsc]

P8I and P3C have a lot of things in common except for a new platform and a compressed air launcher instead of the gun powder fired launcher in P3C which usually leaves a nauseating effect for the crew. Most of the PN crew know about this. So how is the P3C a good ASW aircraft and the P8I which is an advancement over it be bad?

 

[faithfulguy]

Any differences between P8-A and P8-I ?

P8-I is a downgraded version of P8-A.

 

[Xracer]

Report could be true & may be USN founds some defects but our local stupid south asian defence journalists
can make mountain from the mole.

well may be but i dont seee

 

[janon]

Any differences between P8-A and P8-I ?

P-8I has a manetic anomaly detector, which the P-8A doesn't. Also, it has some features specifically requested by the Indian Navy, unique to their requirements. The details are not available in public domain.

P8-I is a downgraded version of P8-A.

Wrong, as usual.

 

[faithfulguy]

P-8I has a manetic anomaly detector, which the P-8A doesn't. Also, it has some features specifically requested by the Indian Navy, unique to their requirements. The details are not available in public domain.


Wrong, as usual.

I'm correct on this one. The sensors in P8-I is a down graded version from the ones in the Navy.

 

[gslv mk3]

I'm correct on this one. The sensors in P8-I is a down graded version from the ones in the Navy.

Any links?

 

[janon]

I'm correct on this one. The sensors in P8-I is a down graded version from the ones in the Navy.

Source for the claim, please.

 

[neehar]

this ajay shukla guy has become an american parrot lately..anyway heres what bllomberg got to say regarding p-8 s

Meet the Navy's New $150M Submarine-Destroying Jet: Video - Bloomberg
Boeing Surveillance Plane Not Yet Effective, U.S. Tester Finds - Businessweek
its about p-8a,not p-8i..as usual this guy blew this out of proportions.if IN is not happy with this plane they wont keep quiet.

 

[GR!FF!N]

may be something has to do with this......


Obsolete before deployment: Boeing to update P-8A electronic warfare components to stave-off obsolescence - Military & Aerospace Electronics

 

[faithfulguy]

Any links?

From Wikipedia, P8-I is a " a customized export variant of the P-8A," export variant is the code word for down grade in newest US platforms. Trust me, US never, ever sell its latest hardware without downgrade it. You should be smart enough to know this.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

From Wikipedia, P8-I is a " a customized export variant of the P-8A," export variant is the code word for down grade in newest US platforms. Trust me, US never, ever sell its latest hardware without downgrade it. You should be smart enough to know this.

LOL. Let me make it easy for you. I have worked on the P-8I program and I can tell you with certainty that the Indian version has a few more sensors and equipment than the US version. All the other hardware is the same except for the communication equipment. Indian Navy wanted its own comm equip. on the aircraft.

You see, the hardware comes from its vendors and the vendors do not waste their time attempting to "downgrade" equipment's ...... they are more concerned about making similar sale to the coast guard and other nations. They are driven purely by profits and not nationalism.

 

[faithfulguy]

LOL. Let me make it easy for you. I have worked on the P-8I program and I can tell you with certainty that the Indian version has a few more sensors and equipment than the US version. All the other hardware is the same except for the communication equipment. Indian Navy wanted its own comm equip. on the aircraft.

You see, the hardware comes from its vendors and the vendors do not waste their time attempting to "downgrade" equipment's ...... they are more concerned about making similar sale to the coast guard and other nations. They are driven purely by profits and not nationalism.

And trust me, I've sources that told me otherwise. Sources that are more intimate about weapons export here in the states. US would not sell India the latest hardware if it just come out. Trust me on that one.