Peak Feminism: Sexual Favors For Free Housing

[TMA]

Morals are morals. It's hard to say which are the "right" ones. It's all about believing whether you can live by what you say. I've asked you about 4 times so far but it seems that you're not ready to answer so I'll assume that your answer is "No". You do not believe in equal rights. And I'd say now that that's determined I don't think theres any point in a further debate. Good day.

Ok I don't believe in equal rights. are you happy? But that is not the point I am trying to make.
(the reason I did not give a straight yes or no answer was that this issue of Men and Women and their rights is not a simple yes or no issue, most cases they are equal but in some men have more and in others women have more, it is context dependent...)

The real point I am trying to make is how does one get morals? By saying morals are morals and its hard to say which one is right is basically saying follow whatever my mood is feeling? are you saying morals are subjective and this can lead to a lot of issues as I am sure you are aware...??

Why do you shy away from this discussion?

Do I take it that you do not accept laws from the Lord God who created Men and Women because you don't agree with them as God should have laws that are completely equal at all times? Or Do I take that you don't believe that there is a creator at all? Do I take it that you disagree with the interpretations of these laws?

Its okay if you don't believe in the Quran or even God, that is your choice and we all have to give account for our choices...

 

[PakSword]

Men are attracted to youth & beauty. Women are attracted to status.
David Buss studied over 10,000 individuals from 37 different cultures and found that there are universal preferences from both sexes when it comes to choosing one's mate, preferences that haven't changed since we became a spec ies.

Men want:
– symmetrical
– young
– healthy-looking
– and fertile

A man's visual cortex is pre-wired to notice hourglass figures (Brizendine. “The Male Brain” 52) and it takes the male brain only one fifth of a second to classify a woman as hot or not. (Brizendine. “The Male Brain” 68)

Women want:
– symmetrical
– generous
– trustworthy
– about 3 years older
– 4 inches taller
– high status
– an investment in her and their offspring
– security
– resources or the potential for resources

This is even true for females that are completely financially secure. (Brizendine. “The Female Brain” 63) (Wright, Robert. "The Moral Animal" 60-61, 65)

 

[El Sidd]

Men are attracted to youth & beauty. Women are attracted to status.
David Buss studied over 10,000 individuals from 37 different cultures and found that there are universal preferences from both sexes when it comes to choosing one's mate, preferences that haven't changed since we became a spec ies.

Men want:
– symmetrical
– young
– healthy-looking
– and fertile

A man's visual cortex is pre-wired to notice hourglass figures (Brizendine. “The Male Brain” 52) and it takes the male brain only one fifth of a second to classify a woman as hot or not. (Brizendine. “The Male Brain” 68)

Women want:
– symmetrical
– generous
– trustworthy
– about 3 years older
– 4 inches taller
– high status
– an investment in her and their offspring
– security
– resources or the potential for resources

This is even true for females that are completely financially secure. (Brizendine. “The Female Brain” 63) (Wright, Robert. "The Moral Animal" 60-61, 65)

Ewww

 

[Pakistani E]

Do women not have that freedom in Britain? There are plenty of successful British women.

No, it's relevant.

I can personally count three people who I know that were involved in rape cases, one of which turned out to be false accusation (I already mentioned it in an earlier post on this thread). In all three cases however the common denominator was the absence of a father figure in the personal lives of those girls. One of the girls' mothers was a divorcee while the other two were born out of wedlock due toto multip sexual relations their mothers had. And it turned out they were molested by their various step fathers.


It's not common and statistics do matter.

And in cases where it does happen then bring down the law on the perpetrator. No one disagrees on that point.

In Britain women can and do go to police.

Yet still there is sexual exploitation of women where a complete stranger like a land lord can get sex in exchange for not charging rent.

Feminism failed. It's only a man-hating and family destroying movement.

Third wave Feminism is a man-hating ideology founded by men haters. It has no doubt hijacked the minds of many a young maiden. The quicker it dies, the better it is for family relations and gender fraternity.

With that settled, can you answer my question? It is precisely the freedoms that Britain allows, that a woman can go to the police without the fear of a "guardian" interfering.

Laws have to take in to account all situations, regardless of how little chance of it happening. Which brings me back to my original question, how does one solve that conundrum in the situation I described before with your application of this law?

 

[PakSword]

“…And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her…”
[al-Baqarah 2:282]

Understandable...

Males and females are not empathetic in the same way

We have two emotional systems: the mirror neuron system (MNS) and the temporal-parietal junction system (TPJ). The MNS is responsible for emotional empathy; it helps one feel what the other person is feeling. The TPJ is responsible for cognitive empathy; it actually helps one distance themselves from the person's emotions, focusing instead on analytically solving the problem. Both sexes start their empathy process in the MNS, but the male brain quickly switches over to the TPJ. (Brizendine. “The Male Brain” 97)

 

[Asim B.]

Laws have to take in to account all situations, regardless of how little chance of it happening. Which brings me back to my original question, how does one solve that conundrum in the situation I described before with the your application of this law?

Which law to be specific?

If someone is intentionally doing harm to another person then of course said person should be punished, whether a relative of not. Islam is the most just faith. There is no disagreement there.

 

[PakSword]

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The most interesting study that indicates that women are more emotionally empathetic was conducted at the Institute of Neurology in London. They tested couples; first the women were given a range of electric shocks. Then their partners were hooked up to the same treatment. It was indicated to the women when and what kind of shock was being administered to their partner, and even though the females couldn't see or hear their loved one, the same pain areas of their brains that had activated when they themselves were shocked, lit up as they learned their partners were being subjected to the same treatment. Researchers were unable to duplicate this result with males.

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That's why they can be easily manipulated in the court of law. If a criminal starts crying in front of a woman witness, and starts telling her that he/ she has small children to feed, she may feel his/ her pain and change her statement.

I once met a retired judge who said that men tend to change their statements for money (but less often), women change their statements because of emotional stress.. on both sides.. so they can falsely accuse a person (who they hate) or falsely save an accused (because she develops an emotional attachment/ sympathy).

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Ok I don't believe in equal rights. are you happy? But that is not the point I am trying to make.
(the reason I did not give a straight yes or no answer was that this issue of Men and Women and their rights is not a simple yes or no issue, most cases they are equal but in some men have more and in others women have more, it is context dependent...)

The real point I am trying to make is how does one get morals? By saying morals are morals and its hard to say which one is right is basically saying follow whatever my mood is feeling? are you saying morals are subjective and this can lead to a lot of issues as I am sure you are aware...??

Why do you shy away from this discussion?

Do I take it that you do not accept laws from the Lord God who created Men and Women because you don't agree with them as God should have laws that are completely equal at all times? Or Do I take that you don't believe that there is a creator at all? Do I take it that you disagree with the interpretations of these laws?

Its okay if you don't believe in the Quran or even God, that is your choice and we all have to give account for our choices...

How is it not a yes or no question ? That's all it is. And like I said before there can't be a right or wrong law. A law is what it is, what matters is whether you agree with it or not. I'm a Sunni male, that puts me right on top of the hierarchy. But my morals do not allow me to enjoy the same rights that my female Christian neighbor is deprived of. That's all there is to it. No ifs and buts.
(Also just noticed that you wrote that everyone has a right to choose, again not true as apostates are legally to be executed)

 

[PakSword]

Mothers and fathers don't interact with their kids in the same way

We truly do complement each other.

Mothers create stability, comfort, nurture, encourage, reinforce, and coddle.

Fathers destabilize, rough-house, challenge, tease, and stimulate through unpredictability.

Obviously none of those are mutually exclusive, but you get the point.

Researchers at the University of Toronto found that mothers sing the correct version of classic lullabies while fathers mix it up with their own verses, creating unpredictable songs. (Brizendine. “The Male Brain” 88)

Fathers tend to give their children direct orders while mothers use shorter sentences and vocal tone matching, often having no need for directness because they're so emotionally in tune with their children. (Brizendine. “The Male Brain” 90)

Mothers get an oxytocin boost after expressing affectionate contact with their infants. Fathers get the boost after engaging in exploratory play. (Raeburn, Paul. “Do Fathers Matter?” 174)

So you can think of it like a yin and yang: mother offers stability and security while the father is there to challenge the child, prepping them for the unpredictability of the real world. A perfect example of this dichotomy is a study of 1 year olds at their swimming class. It was observed that fathers were more likely to stand behind their children so that the children face the water while mothers stood in front of the children and made eye contact. (Raeburn, Paul. “Do Fathers Matter?” 149)

 

[El Sidd]

Salem Mobs started this way....

Just saying....

Tum launde log larr kay marjaoge. Oye begharaton ek aurat ne palat kr thread pe kuch na kaha.

Lakh di oye..
Lakh di

Thallay lagge a

 

[Pakistani E]

Which law to be specific?

If someone is intentionally doing harm to another person then of course said person should be punished. Islam is the most just faith. There is no disagreement there.

I am referring to the simplified solution offered by some people on this thread that having a Mahram will mean cases of sexual exploitation will disappear.

Personally, I don't disagree with the Islamic system because I see the wisdom behind it. But I don't see why certain laws can not be expanded/amended depending on the circumstances. For example, when Hazrat Umar (ra) suspended the punishment of the chopping of hands due to famine etc, did the puritans of that time call him a kafir or innovator (nauzbillah)? It was a great case of using ijtehad and reviewing the circumstances of the society and then applying the law in its proper spirit after taking in to consideration what the state and the society could provide.

In the same manner, I do not see why the same cannot be applied for other sections, as long as the spirit is maintained with frugality. Having a guardian in early Islamic society was of paramount importance due to the nature of the conflict between the different parties. Abduction etc of woman was common part of it and I don't think any woman would have an issue if the same law was applied if the situation demanded it.

However, if a modern society and state can provide securities and certain guarantees, there is absolutely no need to have the exact same clauses as were prescribed in 7th Century Arabia. The issue is of lack of ijtehad in my opinon, I have no problem if Ulama sit down with experts from various different fields and say okay we can look at constructing an Islamic framework based on traditions from the Shariah but use Ijtehad at the same time. As long as the spirit of the law is upheld, i.e. prevention of extra martial relationships, exploitation etc. Does it really matter that a particular given law follows the exact same wording as that prescribed for a society centuries ago under completely different circumstances?

 

[Asim B.]

women change their statements because of emotional stress.. on both sides.. so they can falsely accuse a person (who they hate) or falsely save an accused (because she develops an emotional attachment/ sympathy).

This tends to happen alot with serial killers. Women flood serial killers with love letters:

Florida Highschool shooter flooded with love letters:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/200-love-letters-fan-mail-florida-shooting-suspect/story?id=54102468


Serial killer Charles Manson recieved tons of marriage proposals:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...ith-killers-like-ian-brady-and-charles-manson

 

[Jf Thunder]

Allah didn't creat feminism though. Your British gods did. And you worship Feminism.

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nope, Islam was the religion that came here and broke the patriarchal structure, no wonder many kuffar men of that time were crying, just like many men are crying today

Under that ijtehaad you should be given the prescribed punishment.

that punishment is?

Yes it is

no its not

No they don't

just open Facebook and see the reactions to the "Aurat March"

Yes

no

 

[PakSword]

This tends to happen alot with serial killers. Women flood serial killers with love letters:

Florida Highschool shooter flooded with love letters:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/200-love-letters-fan-mail-florida-shooting-suspect/story?id=54102468


Serial killer Charles Manson recieved tons of marriage proposals:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...ith-killers-like-ian-brady-and-charles-manson

Aur phir kaheen mari parri milti hain.. road ke kinaray!

 

[El Sidd]

that punishment is?

Ask the Uni.

Dont do the crime if you cant do the Time