PEACE TV scholar abuses Pakistan

[abbasniazi]

To all those, who consider Abdul Raheem Green's talk offensive may consider mine the same way.

But whatever he said i had the same feelings in my mind since birth, and i agree to him 100%.

For those who may think he has some grudges with pakistan should know that his wife is a pakistani.

He is my favourite speaker on Peace TV.

Me and my forefathers were born in this country, brought up in this country, in the same society, and we are blessed with enough fortune that we have the ability to enjoy all the luxuries and so called enjoyments available in the society, however, i never indulged in such practices, not because it has to do something with us being pathans but instead my sense of conscience always told me it was wrong.

I never watched movies which had songs in it, or would skip the dance part of it, u know why? coz i felt its disgracefull to see women dancing in front of men, or mixing up with strangers.

I haven't seen my first cousins ever in my life coz we strongly observe Parda, but its not like we are not progressive.

my sister studied in the same institution i got my education from but she would cover herself properly.

we have female doctors and Phds in our family but all observe islamic values, i am a clean shaved man but i strongly support islam, and my wrong doings(if any) has nothing to do with islam, its not islam which is wong, rather its the muslims which melign islam.

so please don't support those who do wrong, no matter how many they are, they are and will always be wrong.

 

[Adios Amigo]

man that "palm comparison" is funny

Go to hell man, These people think that after reading a few books they are the only Muslims on the planet, People who do something just to Chill are all Kafir, How pathetic

emo from your posts(which are realy disappointing) seems you have very little knowledge about your religion. He was was quoting a Hadith. by rediculing it you are making serious offence agianst islam. it would be better to edit your post.

To all muslim members:
plz avoid posting about religion, if you dont have sufficiant knowledge about the matter. its not necessery to post on religious matters,because its not just ordinary matters where we can BS anything just to score a point.

regards

 

[DaRk WaVe]

emo from your posts(which are realy disappointing) seems you have very little knowledge about your religion. He was was quoting a Hadith. by rediculing it you are making serious offence agianst islam. it would be better to edit your post.

I don't have any problem with any hadith & i support my religion but i do not support making religion a 'problem', you tell me how much of Islam we follow? Take a look around
I don't support this particular attitude, You all know there are loads of people who Follow this "palm" thing, This means they are all non Muslims Kafirs?

Now if Tomorrow a Talib comes & tell us people who do not Follow their brand of Islam must be killed, so will u accept it

 

[Adios Amigo]

I don't have any problem with any hadith & i support my religion but you tell me how much of Islam we follow? Take a look around
I don't support this particular attitude, You all know there are loads of people who Follow this "palm" thing, This means they are all non Muslims Kafirs?

lestien insted of taking it positively you are dragging me to a pointless discussion.first of all he never said that people following palmestry are kafirs. but yes he did say they are going against the teachings of islam.and he backed it with hadith,which is more then sufficiant that what he is saying is more then 100% true.so no more arguments about it.put a full stop there. do u want me to quote another hadith for you which is even harsh then this one???? plz just leave it there. religion no fun and islam is not extreem like talibans or our so called libreals, it is absolutly modrate and ratonale.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

I have your answer but Ok Full stop, I know some people here will issue a Fatwah .....

 

[GLOBAL HAWK]

I think he has point to debate when he says Islam does not allow Idol worship, then offering prayers to graves of imam's is un-Islamic (or something of moralistic thing).

I dont understand.

 

[mr_cool]

I think there are quite afew confused people on here!!
It really saddens me to read some of the comments made by my own fellow Muslims and Pakistanis which are indirectly against Islam!! I could understand if these comments were being made by the non-muslims and especially the indians on this site, which I normally ignore, (and believe me there are plenty of these comments from them - no offence guys) but it is shocking to read such comments by my own fellow Pakistanis.

On one side you have a handful of people who claim almost anything wrong you do makes you become a kafir(non-muslim) - which is totally incorrect!!

On the other hand, you have quite afew people on here who straight away accuse u of giving 'fatwas' and label u as a 'mullah' or 'taliban' and god knows what else, as soon as you mention anything to do with islam!! These are normally people who want to 'modernise' Islam and want us to become 'moderates', 'liberals' and want us to 'integrate' our beliefs and values to those of the west!
I absolutely hate all of these words. These words are mainly used by the west in their media because they want us to become as much like them as possible!! So it shocks me how many people are being brainwashed in Pakistan and are slowly starting to follow this thinking!
What they do not realise (and as muslims which they should already know) is that Islam does not need to be 'modernised' as it is already PERFECT. IF people follow the ACTUAL teachings of Islam then they will realise there is no hint of extremism, unfairness or anything like that in Islam!

If people are not happy with the ACTUAL teachings of Islam then instead of trying to change Islam…Firstly. they should not be muslims and secondly, they should maybe go and live in one of the western countries where they are more than welcome to live as ‘liberal’ lives as they wish!

Finally, yes I realise a lot of muslims do not follow Islam now a days (probably one of the reasons why we are suffering so much in this world in my opinion!) However, just because people don’t follow Islam properly, does not mean its Islam’s fault but it’s the fault of the people who do not practice it! But unfortunately, these people who do not practice Islam want to try and change the teachings of Islam to justify their actions!! What is wrong in Islam is wrong…there is no two ways about it!!

I am by no means a practicing muslim or a ‘mullah’ or anything like that. In fact, unfortunately I think I am probably the worst muslim out there, as most of the things I do are unislamic However, as a muslim I still accept everything that is right/wrong in Islam and would never try to justify my own actions which are hypocritical to those of in Islam!

I hope this makes sense... i typed it very fast! lol

Regards,
Zaf

p.s. sorry for the long post!!

 

[Adios Amigo]

Mr.Cool you are really cool. an excellent post from you, hitting the nerves spot on it could not have been explained any better. and by way thanks for making it looong and detailed.
regards.

 

[mr_cool]

Mr.Cool you are really cool. an excellent post from you, hitting the nerves spot on it could not have been explained any better. and by way thanks for making it looong and detailed.
regards.

Thank you Sir. I appreciate your comments
I've read atleast couple of posts similiar to this one,which really upset me, so I thought i best finally put my opinions across and clarify this as much as i can from my point of view!

Normally when i write a post, the topic kind of closes straight after that so i'm glad you replied and found it useful.
Thanks again
Zaf

 

[Luftwaffe]

Yep whatever...

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

Old one, Let him do what eva he wants to do & say about Pak, He is no one to judge our faith..

This is "gora taliban" a few dances means Pak is not Islam

Hell with you, Go back to the stone age U Green

What is he saying wrong? every thing is right. We do all these bad things. All kind of SHIRK. He said what he have seen. Why you want to send him to hell?

Pakistan is Islamic country ,, but there is so much ignorance.. I have seen all these things..


What do you mean by Stone Age..? You mean what he saying is not considered in modern age.. ? Then You are wrong .

 

[PostColonial]

Hmm. Majority opinion here seems to suggest that Pakistan would be better off if the speaker's ideas were implemented.

Perhaps a fully Islamic Pakistan will take away the raison d'etre of the TTP.

 

[Kompromat]

Good time to think about us , one day we will get there and become a Proper Modern Islamic State and our system will stand parallel to western Democracy Inshallah

 

[MilesTogo]

After all this discussion - you still had to use the word modern with Islam. and why parallel to western democracy? Do you consider west as benchmark for development?

Good time to think about us , one day we will get there and become a Proper Modern Islamic State and our system will stand parallel to western Democracy Inshallah

 

[Pakistanisage]

Pakistanis should not be so sensitive to criticism. Listen to the man and if you disagree with him, offer your rebuttal in an intellectual way. Learn to have an academic and intellectual discussion without getting emotional. When you can do that then you truly have become an intellectual. Without that ability you are just a run of the mill reactionary.

I think brother Green made a lot of valid points, however he would be more effective and get more traction with his message if he could temper his message with a little bit of diplomacy and tact. Without the ability he is just an uncouth taliban mullah and we have enough of those idiots running around. We don't need a blond haired and blue eyed idiot to add to that lot.