Peace School converted minors to Islam?

[hussain0216]

Oh now you are splitting hairs because reality is causing you discomfort. Remember your wholesale denunciation of idol worship just a few posts back.

Indian subcontinent not being a homogeneous place is not the bone of the argument. What is islamic and what is non-islami is.

Islam is not just a religion but a way of life with its own history and heroes and civilizational narrative. Your Quaid Jinnah himself said it and you all agree with it. So what have you got to do with pagan history or pagan civilization? History of the land or any history should be with people who honor it and take pride in it. Since you despise anything non-Islamic and it is Biddah for you guys why are you so eager to embrace Jahiliyyah culture?

Not splitting hairs at all

The history of the land or people dosent change because we have enlightened ourselves

We have to explain all periods of our history including the period when our people worshipped rocks and stones

 

[Bitter Melon]

Not splitting hairs at all

The history of the land or people dosent change because we have enlightened ourselves

We have to explain all periods of our history including the period when our people worshipped rocks and stones

You were splitting hairs. Nevertheless considering what you are going to do to the history of this land explaining it as Jahiliyyah and primitive, basically using it as one more stoning the devil mantle, it is way better that the world does not let you guys have any say in the presentation or preservation or even association of this glorious civilisation.

 

[hussain0216]

You were splitting hairs. Nevertheless considering what you are going to do to the history of this land explaining it as Jahiliyyah and primitive, basically using it as one more stoning the devil mantle, it is way better that the world does not let you guys have any say in the presentation or preservation of this glorious civilisation.

Its not a choice its our history

Our history has to be preserved and shown and explained

Our land our people our nation

Why should some foreigner in chennai coopt it

 

[hussain0216]

Sorry, it is not your history anymore. You people parted way with it and nothing in your country is named after the natives. Nor is there any real association with this culture. India is the true inheritor of this civilization and culture including the dude from Chennai given Indus Valley's primary association with Dravidians. You represent the death and negation of this civilization while India represents its joyous continuity.

You are simply trying to coopt, steal, lay claim to the history of another land and people

You have nothing to do with the indus civilisation or its people

You cant part ways with your land or history thats absurd

Our land and people like all others has periods of history a post islamic, a pre islamic, a post partition, a pre partition
Different time periods, different kings, different conquests

None of that changes because of who we are now,who we are now is a continuation of our history not a parting from it

Your jealousy and eagerness to claim our history is making you delusional, stick to your own dark eastern ganga history and leave us alone

 

[haviZsultan]

There is nothing wrong with conversion. Indians have a phobia of it but people convert. Do the Hindus of India not even have a minor trust in the strength of their faith and believe it will be broken so easily? Indians should man up and try to convert others to their religion without violence. I think this talk of conversions is pulled out of proportion and used to isolate muslims.

 

[hussain0216]

Sorry, Indus Valley extends way beyond into India with more sites within India than in Pakistan Afghanistan combined. The seals of Indus Valley clearly show they are Hinduism related and idolatorous. Nothing to do with a pure Allah worshipping Pakistan.

Nope, Pakistan presents a disruption from history and not a continuation of it. This is why history of Pakistan starts with Islamic conquest of Pakistan.

We are very proud of our Ganga history and also proud of our Saraswati history including Sindhu history which are all great rivers of Rig Veda. We are people who have no problem with our past or our present.

If anything it is your jealousy that you have nothing to show for yourself that has led to this belated realization on your part and greedy attempt to garb India's history.

Your becoming hysterical

History cant be broken its just a continuation of events that effect a land and its people

It dosent stop and start, it has different time periods, different era's

You must be reading the Hindutva history book for dummies which makes you think just because people of the indus valley may have worshipped idols they were hindus

Its like saying people in Britain worshipped idols before Christianity so they were hindus too

The indus river system and Civilization was in Pakistan its people may have become muslim now but are still the direct ancestors of the original people here

We dont care about the culture or which idol they bowed to but preserving and understanding our history and not having it stolen by foreign indians who are completely different to us

 

[Spring Onion]

out of 300 only two are non-Muslims. Did you even bother to find if the school is enrolled mostly by Muslim kids instead of making a drama as if kids were converted. ranjeet you are falling to sanghis level here since even and Idiot can understand that kids can't be converted without being noticed by their parents.

Have some heart man

 

[Bitter Melon]

Your becoming hysterical

History cant be broken its just a continuation of events that effect a land and its people

It dosent stop and start, it has different time periods, different era's

You must be reading the Hindutva history book for dummies which makes you think just because people of the indus valley may have worshipped idols they were hindus

Its like saying people in Britain worshipped idols before Christianity so they were hindus too

The indus river system and Civilization was in Pakistan its people may have become muslim now but are still the direct ancestors of the original people here

We dont care about the culture or which idol they bowed to but preserving and understanding our history and not having it stolen by foreign indians who are completely different to us

Well people of Britain before Christianity have an association with Hindus because Hindu is just a term coined for Pagans of India. Pagans of Greece were Greeks. Pagans of Rome were Romans. The terms were just location markers and identifiers but we are all pagans believing in the same cosmology.

Sorry, Pakistan is created as a rejection of its past and link with Hindus or paganism. Pakistani is a political statement marking and celebrating the breaking point in the history of this land. You don't honor your ancestors but hold them in contempt. That is enough reason to disallow you any ownership of this heritage. Considering you are one of the most rabid Islamic believer it is really astonishing to see your greedy longing to hold onto a Jahiliyyah past. Be a proud Muslim, destroy any remaining pagan symbols in your land just like your Prophet did. Follow Sunnah. Do not do Biddah. Do not covet naked dancing girl statues. It is haram.

 

[T-Rex]

So called 36 independent movements yet you can't do a sh!t..Poor enemy..

Now, that is a smart reply! Indeed, if Pakistan would have in india's place I think Pakistan would have been broken into 36 parts by now. It only shows how incompetent Pakistani leaders are.

 

[hussain0216]

Well people of Britain before Christianity have an association with Hindus because Hindu is just a term coined for Pagans of India. Pagans of Greece were Greeks. Pagans of Rome were Romans. The terms were just location markers and identifiers but we are all pagans believing in the same cosmology.

Sorry, Pakistan is created as a rejection of its past and link with Hindus or paganism. Pakistani is a political statement marking and celebrating the breaking point in the history of this land. You don't honor your ancestors but hold them in contempt. That is enough reason to disallow you any ownership of this heritage. Considering you are one of the most rabid Islamic believer it is really astonishing to see your greedy longing to hold onto a Jahiliyyah past. Be a proud Muslim, destroy any remaining pagan symbols in your land just like your Prophet did. Follow Sunnah. Do not do Biddah. Do not covet naked dancing girl statues. It is haram.

So now the pagans of Britain and Rome were also hindus, Bakht history 101
So now that all these cultures are christian will you claim their history too

History is not an emotional construct

We can hate our history, we can love it or we can hold it in contempt it dosent change history at all

History remains the same, whatever you do good or bad simply is a continuation of history


You dont seem to understand what history is

The indus civilisation is part and parcel of the history and fabric of this land
You indians cant steal it or take ownership of it just like you cant take ownership of roman history or viking history just because they worshipped some idols

I hold their beliefs, your beliefs and all pagan beliefs in contempt but that dosent change history one tiny bit nor the need to preserve or understand it

 

[Bitter Melon]

So now the pagans of Britain and Rome were also hindus, Bakht history 101
So now that all these cultures are christian will you claim their history too

History is not an emotional construct

We can hate our history, we can love it or we can hold it in contempt it dosent change history at all

History remains the same, whatever you do good or bad simply is a continuation of history


You dont seem to understand what history is

The indus civilisation is part and parcel of the history and fabric of this land
You indians cant steal it or take ownership of it just like you cant take ownership of roman history or viking history just because they worshipped some idols

I hold their beliefs, your beliefs and all pagan beliefs in contempt but that dosent change history one tiny bit nor the need to preserve or understand it

No, pagans of Britain and Rome were British and Romans. I thought I already explained it well enough. The common denominator here is Pagans. They were Pagans and we are Pagans and our Pagan culture has a continuity. It is called Indo-European culture.

Europe is a post Christian society and Europeans embrace their pagan past without shame or guilt. They celebrate their Pagan past in fact. If you see the revival of Paganism across Europe and Hollywood's promotion of Pagan Gods and Lores, you can say they have come a full circle. So there should be no logical justification in denying them something they own up and celebrate and honor.

No, history is not the same if you reject it, though it remains history. You cannot claim a history you rejected. Otherwise what is the point in you being Islamic if all you want to do is surround yourself with your non-Islamic past. Yes, you are welcome to Hate your history and hold it in contempt and that part is given to you. The hate part. You can hold on to your Rejection of it. You have that right. That is what you will have with you. Rejection and Hate. The other stuff we will keep.

Indus Valley is our History because we lived it and we embrace it and celebrate it. India has millions of migrants from Pakistan who are rightful heir of this civilization and then this civilization was Dravidian civilization which you Tall, Fair, Blue Eye Blonde Pakistanis really have no claim over.

 

[hussain0216]

No, pagans of Britain and Rome were British and Romans. I thought I already explained it well enough. The common denominator here is Pagans. They were Pagans and we are Pagans and our Pagan culture has a continuity. It is called Indo-European culture.

Europe is a post Christian society and Europeans embrace their pagan past without shame or guilt. They celebrate their Pagan past in fact. If you see the revival of Paganism across Europe and Hollywood's promotion of Pagan Gods and Lores, you can say they have come a full circle. So there should be no logical justification in denying them something they own up and celebrate and honor.

No, history is not the same if you reject it, though it remains history. You cannot claim a history you rejected. Otherwise what is the point in you being Islamic if all you want to do is surround yourself with your non-Islamic past. Yes, you are welcome to Hate your history and hold it in contempt and that part is given to you. The hate part. You can hold on to your Rejection of it. You have that right. That is what you will have with you. Rejection and Hate. The other stuff we will keep.

Indus Valley is our History because we lived it and we embrace it and celebrate it. India has millions of migrants from Pakistan who are rightful heir of this civilization and then this civilization was Dravidian civilization which you Tall, Fair, Blue Eye Blonde Pakistanis really have no claim over.

You are once again adding a emotional element to history, which it simply does not have

At the same time indians have as much connection to the indus valley as you do to tge vikings its a different land and people

It is only bakht understanding which see's a varied south asia as one when it never was

India has?a tiny minority of migrants with any connection to the land in Pakistan whilst millions of Pakistanis have that connection it runs through their veins

It is only revisionist hindu history which amalgamates these different people's into a common hindu history which never existed


The history of the land of Pakistan should be displayed in our museums whilst you dark easterns should be content with your flying monkey or elephant gods which have no connection to the land of Pakistan

 

[Bombaywalla]

No, pagans of Britain and Rome were British and Romans. I thought I already explained it well enough. The common denominator here is Pagans. They were Pagans and we are Pagans and our Pagan culture has a continuity. It is called Indo-European culture.

Europe is a post Christian society and Europeans embrace their pagan past without shame or guilt. They celebrate their Pagan past in fact. If you see the revival of Paganism across Europe and Hollywood's promotion of Pagan Gods and Lores, you can say they have come a full circle. So there should be no logical justification in denying them something they own up and celebrate and honor.

No, history is not the same if you reject it, though it remains history. You cannot claim a history you rejected. Otherwise what is the point in you being Islamic if all you want to do is surround yourself with your non-Islamic past. Yes, you are welcome to Hate your history and hold it in contempt and that part is given to you. The hate part. You can hold on to your Rejection of it. You have that right. That is what you will have with you. Rejection and Hate. The other stuff we will keep.

Indus Valley is our History because we lived it and we embrace it and celebrate it. India has millions of migrants from Pakistan who are rightful heir of this civilization and then this civilization was Dravidian civilization which you Tall, Fair, Blue Eye Blonde Pakistanis really have no claim over.

Man, you've got a ton of patience! I admire your resolve when it comes to drilling some sense into the poorly educated not to mention perennially confused and utterly useless in the real world; it really does take quite a bit of work.

 

[Bitter Melon]

You are once again adding a emotional element to history, which it simply does not have

At the same time indians have as much connection to the indus valley as you do to tge vikings its a different land and people

It is only bakht understanding which see's a varied south asia as one when it never was

India has?a tiny minority of migrants with any connection to the land in Pakistan whilst millions of Pakistanis have that connection it runs through their veins

It is only revisionist hindu history which amalgamates these different people's into a common hindu history which never existed


The history of the land of Pakistan should be displayed in our museums whilst you dark easterns should be content with your flying monkey or elephant gods which have no connection to the land of Pakistan

You have no idea of what you are talking about. Neither Paganism nor Hinduism ever talk of monolithic culture or monolithic people. We are polytheists. Unlike Islam, Hinduism/Paganism is an open architecture which allows for myriad ideas and customs and gods flowering. A worshipper of Thor will have no problem bowing before a Hindu Thunder God, Indra. They are the same as far as we are concerned. That is how Pagans worshipped and coexisted and never had to fight over Gods.

It is your tunnel vision that precludes any additional information assimilation in you. Pakistan can cry and whine and pull hair all its wants about India stealing its civilization, but that horse has left the barn. It is not coming back.

Man, you've got a ton of patience! I admire your resolve when it comes to drilling some sense into the poorly educated not to mention perennially confused and utterly useless in he real world; it really does take quite a bit of work.

I have the time though I am a bit short of patience.

 

[Hyde]

This thread has been way off topic and the general purpose of the main topic seems to have left far behind

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