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[Thəorətic Muslim]

first his schtick was that Qasim Suri ruling was wrong and he has hated Imran since then, as it is the beginning of Fascism and others will twist the law according to their needs. ab bhonk. I have him on ignore.

The idiot forgets that the Imran government SENT letters to the Supreme Court asking for their clarification on dissolving the parliament.

These letters were conveniently ignored by the 24/7/365 day court.

Meanwhile they conveniently ignore the dictatorial actions that have happened in the past 16 months. While calling him a "fascist", idiots dont know what that word means.

 

[Zarvan]

And you and the rest of the PDF know that EVERYONE other than Imran Khan in the Pakistani political class is 'Chor' and 'Dakoo' and 'Corrupt'? Because that's the narrative peddaled by Imran Khan and his followers in order to ensure a 'democracy' with no competition.

But, no, I don't believe Imran is a cocaine addict--it's just that 'Cocaine Khan' rolls nicely off one's tongue!

But I do hate him for his Fascist policies and I have a serious problem with his cultists who, as you can see in this forum, are even condemning a very special August 14--an Independence Day combined with the 50th Anniversary of Pakistan's Constitution.

Please enjoy this--PDF has been merciless against all politicians so why not get a taste of their own medicine a bit??

PDF has been merciless because they have been corrupt, if you are too corrupt yourself and blind to corruption of PML N and PPPP not our problem. Yes you hate Khan because you are beneficiary of corrupt traitors MAFIAS

 

[Mirzali Khan]

What shattered dreams, Bhutto is still alive and people are still yearning for roti kapra aur makan, while jiayals have run all institutions into ground with their no-show jobs and Sindh/Karachi resemble an archeological dig site. That's the perfect jiayala dystopia...

PPP isn't about the old vanguard socialism anymore. That's long gone.

It is a Sindhi nationalist party.

 

[RoadRunner401]

The regime change by US in Pakistan have done tremendous damage to the reputation of the country and in no way helped US, still couldn't learn anything just like the local duffers, hasn't learnt a thing after the 71 breakup of the country, no redemption, no course correction.

People are cursing, bad mouthing and with heated vitriol the US and the local handlers like anything.

Earlier put a puppet govt. of Raza Shah in Iran after removing Musaddiq, a supposedly pro west lapdog, what is the end result, an Islamic revolution led by the Khomenei and an anti US govt, so failed in Iran rather backfired badly.

Same result in Afghanistan, tried a puppet Karzai and then Asharaf Ghani puppet to stop the Talibans, resulted in Talibans growing stronger and now a Taliban controlled Afghanistan out of US hegemon.

Still couldn't learn a thing.

Points to the fact that the Pentagon, US military and CIA people are as duffers as the local counterparts. Generals are generally duffers, and ignorant enough to be arrogant.

You are looking at it from wrong Angle, look at it this way, Iran destroyed and sent back in time, Afghanistan destroyed and weapons systems tested Military Inc made trillions, Pakistan economically is on the Mercy of West, Syria destroyed, Iraq Destroyed, Yemen destroyed, Libya destroyed, When West attacks they are their to Give you freedom and Democracy If Muslims Fight Back they are given Terrorist or Extremist Tag.
So they have been very successful in their actual goals....

 

[Hyde]

There is now a 3 party game in Pakistan: The Establishment vs the PDM vs PTI--and PTI is relevant as long as Imran is alive--but only as long as. There is mutual distrust between the major entities. The Establishment hates the Noonies (especially Nawaz Sharif) and there is too much history of distrust between the PPP and the Establishment. Enter PTI, which is relevant as long as the Cocaine Khan is alive, after that, PTI is not a factor--and I am telling you this here.

Anyway, possibilities exist where PTI would get just enough seats to make a govt. with PPP--why would PPP give up the topmost slots for the Noonies?? PTI's relevance in Punjab provides a golden opportunity for PPP to split the votes and form govt. post elections with PTI.

Anything is possible in Pakistan's 'politics'.

If ONLY the Cocaine Khan had some political acumen he would have taken advantage of the enormous advantages he had in April 2022 and walked across the aisle to sit as an Opposition Leader. And any other PTI leader in his place would still advise him to 'play smart' and use other parties against the Establishment. But such acumen require a little modesty. Maybe a few days of the prison have put some sense into him? Maybe? I doubt it. But I hope so!

There was always two party system in Pakistan

Establishment vs Establishment supported political parties sometimes known as PPP, PML-N, PTI and many other names

 

[Meengla]

PPP isn't about the old vanguard socialism anymore. That's long gone.

It is a Sindhi nationalist party.

Right on.
As I said several times here--he only 'ideological' parties are Jamat e Islami, TLP and TTP and even they are barely ideological.

I consider no difference between PPP, PMLN, PTI when it comes to power politics. PTI and and PMLN are especially similar to each other!! To me, PTI and the Noonies are central/northern Punjab parties with deep connections with the Establishment despite both parties' grandstanding about it. The Noonies might be a little against Establishment but that's because of Nawaz Sharif's confrontational and egotistic mind--something he shares with Imran Khan. The clashes are because of personalities!!

Also, ideologies are dying globally. The Chinese 'Communists' have not been 'Communists' for decades. The 'Left' and the 'Right' in America, as shown via the Democrats and the Republicans, have ceased to be they were for decades. And on and on.

In fact, even the Christians who were blowing up abortion clinics in America in the 90s have ceased to do such things. The only ones who are still so deep in their ideologies to literally die for them are in a few pockets along Pakistan's western borders and in places like Palestine.

None of the major Pakistani political parties are ideological. None. And perhaps for the better: A country needs 'governance'. Forget 'left, right''.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

PTI and the Noonies are central/northern Punjab parties

PTI first came on the scene via KPK.

PTI took down a dynastical Pashtun nationalist party (ANP) around 2011/2012. In the 2013 elections, it was KPK that voted for PTI. Punjab voted for PMLN.

Fast forward to today, I do agree with you that there really isn't any ideologies anymore. But you forgot that India, which is ruled by the Hindu nationalist BJP party, follows a very stringent ideology.

Afghanistan follows an ideology as well.

PTI's ideology and gameplan now is just anti-establishment and anti-PDM. The more screw ups PDM, Army, and establishment keep doing the more PTI is going to do well. Remember, PTI has an absolute chokehold on Pakistani social media and the other side is filled with dinosaurs who don't know how social media works.

The Noonies might be a little against Establishment but that's because of Nawaz Sharif's confrontational and egotistic mind--something he shares with Imran Khan. The clashes are because of personalities!!

How is Nawaz Sharif confrontational if he's currently in London and has chosen exile twice.

 

[ziaulislam]

And you and the rest of the PDF know that EVERYONE other than Imran Khan in the Pakistani political class is 'Chor' and 'Dakoo' and 'Corrupt'? Because that's the narrative peddaled by Imran Khan and his followers in order to ensure a 'democracy' with no competition.

But, no, I don't believe Imran is a cocaine addict--it's just that 'Cocaine Khan' rolls nicely off one's tongue!

But I do hate him for his Fascist policies and I have a serious problem with his cultists who, as you can see in this forum, are even condemning a very special August 14--an Independence Day combined with the 50th Anniversary of Pakistan's Constitution.

Please enjoy this--PDF has been merciless against all politicians so why not get a taste of their own medicine a bit??

Don't worry Khan is done and dusted
Narcissistic people like him don't have good ending

It's you who is high on cocaine because you need basic common sense to understand 71 year old can't be this fit if he is using cocaine. Secondly no he shouldn't have stayed in Parliament and yes he chose honor and respect over slavery which you slaves can never understand it.

Khan fought but just like many good people in the past he chose the wrong country

He should have known that this is a nation of thieves

Jinnah realized that and retired in 1937 after 30+ years of struggle

Pretty sure both brother and sisters regretted what they did in the end that who general Gracey and General ayub handled them

 

[Meengla]

PTI took down a dynastical Pashtun nationalist party (ANP) around 2011/2012. In the 2013 elections, it was KPK that voted for PTI. Punjab voted for PMLN.
Fast forward to today, I do agree with you that there really isn't any ideologies anymore. But you forgot that India, which is ruled by the Hindu nationalist BJP party, follows a very stringent ideology.
Afghanistan follows an ideology as well.
PTI's ideology and gameplan now is just anti-establishment and anti-PDM. The more screw ups PDM, Army, and establishment keep doing the more PTI is going to do well. Remember, PTI has an absolute chokehold on Pakistani social media and the other side is filled with dinosaurs who don't know how social media works.

You are right: I should have added Afghanistan under the Taliban as an ideological entity.

But I absolutely don't believe PTI has any 'anti-Establishment' ideology. Imran (very stupidly) turned against the Establishment after Bajwa refused to intervene on his behalf after the NCM vote of April 2002. Initially, Imran's focus was against America, with not a peep about the Establishment. And when he gained enough popularity after tapping into Pakistanis' anti-Americanism, he decided to target Bajwa and repeatedly said 'one and only one person'. But when even that didn't work, he started his narrative against the ENTIRE Establishment. These are facts. They may not be liked by Imran fanbois but they are--at least to me. And, we all have our 'facts'.

So, no, Imran doesn't have any anti-Establishment ideology. He had been begging General Munir for negotiations. And finally, on the eve of his arrest last Saturday, he even mentioned 'PDM' to come together for Pakistan. A day too late, a dollar too short. Only when real prison was assured. This Tiger of this forum was asking for a way to escape the real prison. In essence he was asking for an NRO!!

PS. I may be the Game of Thrones 'Varys' of PDF. The country matters more than any personality. Than any ideology. The country with its untold poor who could never benefit from fake revolutionaries. Chaos and anarchy is a country's worst enemy. I look at Pakistan's counterparts in South Asia--who are not too different from us. The only reason they are marching forward is because they have the stability and continuation of policies despite govt. changes. To me, Imran Khan is a cancer to Pakistan unless he reforms. This guy will keep jumping on protest-containers if he is not in power and will keep doing so for months and months. And this guy has brain-washed even the educated Pakistanis so that they are willing to curse a very important Independence Day on August 14 this year--a year when Pakistan is also celebrating the 50th year of its Constitution. I will never accept such a person unless I perceive him reformed. Until then, I will remain an unabashed Varys of Pakistan and for Pakistan. Imran has personally not taken a dime from me nor has the military given me a dime, to clarify.

 

[Vortex]

The regime change by US in Pakistan have done tremendous damage to the reputation of the country and in no way helped US, still couldn't learn anything just like the local duffers, hasn't learnt a thing after the 71 breakup of the country, no redemption, no course correction.

People are cursing, bad mouthing and with heated vitriol the US and the local handlers like anything.

Earlier put a puppet govt. of Raza Shah in Iran after removing Musaddiq, a supposedly pro west lapdog, what is the end result, an Islamic revolution led by the Khomenei and an anti US govt, so failed in Iran rather backfired badly.

Same result in Afghanistan, tried a puppet Karzai and then Asharaf Ghani puppet to stop the Talibans, resulted in Talibans growing stronger and now a Taliban controlled Afghanistan out of US hegemon.

Still couldn't learn a thing.

Points to the fact that the Pentagon, US military and CIA people are as duffers as the local counterparts. Generals are generally duffers, and ignorant enough to be arrogant.

Wasn’t US who showed up a broken Pakistan several years ago ?

To break Pakistan, they needed to break awam from army.

To do such breakingvthey are using « morally weak » generals and politicians by corrupting them, by showing them some bones like they do to dogs, by using « b00bs and vegetina » as ISI do to Indians officers etc.. someone who has watched westerns films with cowboys and red indians should know how they corrupted them and used them against each others…

Now this part of plan worked perfectly, remember bilawal was doing lot of trips to USA since weeks if not months before vote of non confidence against IK. He has stated on YouTube or Twitter that he has proposed himself this plan . Question : why he was and what he was doing in USA just before VoNC ? Mystery ! And I’m speculating on it. But if as Dr Moeed Pirzada says « I connect the dot’ then the picture is clear, he was taking direct orders from USA…

Seeing their deafening silence is loudly speaking about their intentions.

Now according to the winds, they could stay silent or open their mouth against the undemocratics events with the crackdown ont PTI. One way they let events going in the direction they want, the other way they intervene and appear as the saviours of democracy and oblige PTI like « hey we saved your ***, so return us the favour » .


Now something could/will happen to push the dynamics further… helping « morally weak » people is the easiest way to remap Pakistan as per their wishes.
PDM came…
Then creating rift, hate, blood boiling among the provincial parties and ethnicities… Et voilà ! You get the broken Pakistan !

For what ? Doggy gov and army in former Pakistan for « China containment policy» e !

One said « absolutely not » and others said « beggars can’t be choosers ». They knew from the start who they should eliminate… they eliminated him.

 

[Vortex]

And you and the rest of the PDF know that EVERYONE other than Imran Khan in the Pakistani political class is 'Chor' and 'Dakoo' and 'Corrupt'? Because that's the narrative peddaled by Imran Khan and his followers in order to ensure a 'democracy' with no competition.

But, no, I don't believe Imran is a cocaine addict--it's just that 'Cocaine Khan' rolls nicely off one's tongue!

But I do hate him for his Fascist policies and I have a serious problem with his cultists who, as you can see in this forum, are even condemning a very special August 14--an Independence Day combined with the 50th Anniversary of Pakistan's Constitution.

Please enjoy this--PDF has been merciless against all politicians so why not get a taste of their own medicine a bit??

 

[SaadH]

PPP isn't about the old vanguard socialism anymore. That's long gone.

It is a Sindhi nationalist party.

Even when it was socialist, it was only in name. The backbone of the party was made up of feudals, the antithesis of socialist ideals.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Salman Mirza and other on BOL News already doing kutti fogj's interpretation of the cable.

 

[Olympus81]

On the topic of GHQ and PDM making u-turn, well it seems pretty clear now.

Bajwa and PDM colluded with each other to trigger the regime change operation. The cipher, that was not supposed to be leaked, was a small component in this whole game.

Water has past under the bridge now. No point talking about the obvious.

Pakistan is in new territory this time. Every time martial law happened, the politicians made deals and absconded while the public loved the military. Opposite happened this time.

Happy to see Pakistan chartering a new course. The castration of establishment and corrupts is what Pakistan needs. No matter how thorny the path is.

 

[SD 10]

There is now a 3 party game in Pakistan: The Establishment vs the PDM vs PTI--and PTI is relevant as long as Imran is alive--but only as long as. There is mutual distrust between the major entities. The Establishment hates the Noonies (especially Nawaz Sharif) and there is too much history of distrust between the PPP and the Establishment. Enter PTI, which is relevant as long as the Cocaine Khan is alive, after that, PTI is not a factor--and I am telling you this here.

Anyway, possibilities exist where PTI would get just enough seats to make a govt. with PPP--why would PPP give up the topmost slots for the Noonies?? PTI's relevance in Punjab provides a golden opportunity for PPP to split the votes and form govt. post elections with PTI.

Anything is possible in Pakistan's 'politics'.

If ONLY the Cocaine Khan had some political acumen he would have taken advantage of the enormous advantages he had in April 2022 and walked across the aisle to sit as an Opposition Leader. And any other PTI leader in his place would still advise him to 'play smart' and use other parties against the Establishment. But such acumen require a little modesty. Maybe a few days of the prison have put some sense into him? Maybe? I doubt it. But I hope so!

A lot of words to say absolutely nothing.