PCB to demand around $70 million from BCCI as compensation

[Kapwercs]

How is kargil related to sports?

We had sports during wars in developed nations.

Two separate things.



Dude its Pakistan.

People have too much money. Its literally pouring out.

And we have enough foreign reserves to last any modern warfare.

How can you write such total nonsense.
The Western block boycotted the Moscow Olympics due to the afghan invasion.
You can't say we will send terrorists to massacre your unarmed civilians but cricket should not be effected.
Most Indians don't want to have anything to do with you guys .

 

[RISING SUN]

No, an MoU can legally be considered a contract if it includes all the elements to be considered one, how many MoU's contain specific details like dates, frequency, or other conditions? It seems to me that this was more likely a contract.



You are grasping at straws, please stop making this dumb comparison.

If you would have been working in legal, you would have understood by now there is so much difference in MOU, Agreement and Contract. As I had said few days back with Janaji @Spring Onion , this is the state of legal understanding in your country them GOD save you all. Thank you.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

If you would have been working in legal, you would have understood by now there is so much difference in MOU, Agreement and Contract. As I had said few days back with Janaji @Spring Onion , this is the state of legal understanding in your country them GOD save you all. Thank you.

There is no set definition of what an MoU is, it can be a simple agreement to conduct future business or it can be in some cases a contract.

If your simple mind really thinks this is just an agreement and nothing more, then explain why details like the date of the matches, the frequency of the matches, and other terms/conditions are also part of the agreement?

Go consult a lawyer or something you moron, an MoU can be considered a legal contract if it contains the elements of one.

 

[RISING SUN]

There is no set definition of what an MoU is, it can be a simple agreement to conduct future business or it can be in some cases a contract.

If your simple mind really thinks this is just an agreement and nothing more, then explain why details like the date of the matches, the frequency of the matches, and other terms/conditions are also part of the agreement?

Go consult a lawyer or something you moron, an MoU can be considered a legal contract if it contains the elements of one.

Have you studied law, management or something? If you would had done this, you would have understood by now, MOU is only mutual understanding reached on any subject, agreement/contract is singed legally based on mutually agreed understanding giving the MOU legal cover. Have you heard of MOU between cricketers association and Control boards which is binding, no, once MOU is given legal cover with either agreement or contract(most sports), it is binding on both party. MOU alone is nothing but just a common understanding. In Pakistan case, it is not even agreement, there is difference between agreement(sometimes referred as SLA) and MOU. Gosh, people on your side do need international law education very much. Thank you.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Have you studied law, management or something? If you would had done this, you would have understood by now, MOU is only mutual understanding reached on any subject, agreement/contract is singed legally based on mutually agreed understanding giving the MOU legal cover. Have you heard of MOU between cricketers association and Control boards which is binding, no, once MOU is given legal cover with either agreement or contract(most sports), it is binding on both party. MOU alone is nothing but just a common understanding. In Pakistan case, it is not even agreement, there is difference between agreement(sometimes referred as SLA) and MOU. Gosh, people on your side do need international law education very much. Thank you.

Have you? any lawyer will tell you that an MoU can be legally enforceable based on the wordings or terms of the document, there is no set outline or definition for what an MoU has to be. Seeing as how there are specific terms in the cricket MoU regarding dates, number of matches, venue locations, as well as other conditions, its pretty evident that this is more than a simple MoU and more like a contract which means the PCB can get compensation if the other party is breaching the terms of that contract. Again, go ask any lawyer, there is no set outline for what an MoU must contain, and depending on the wording of the MoU document it can be legally binding.

The fact you cant even understand this kind of basic understanding, really explains your cricket boards mentality and why you are getting sued over such a basic legal document. Please use your single brain cell and actually think logically for a second.

 

[oOo]

Have you? any lawyer will tell you that an MoU can be legally enforceable based on the wordings or terms of the document, there is no set outline or definition for what an MoU has to be. Seeing as how there are specific terms in the cricket MoU regarding dates, number of matches, venue locations, as well as other conditions, its pretty evident that this is more than a simple MoU and more like a contract which means the PCB can get compensation if the other party is breaching the terms of that contract. Again, go ask any lawyer, there is no set outline for what an MoU must contain, and depending on the wording of the MoU document it can be legally binding.

The fact you cant even understand this kind of basic understanding, really explains your cricket boards mentality and why you are getting sued over such a basic legal document. Please use your single brain cell and actually think logically for a second.

Hope we wont be seeing Khawar Qureshi again as a lawyer !!

 

[Soumitra]

No, an MoU can legally be considered a contract if it includes all the elements to be considered one, how many MoU's contain specific details like dates, frequency, or other conditions? It seems to me that this was more likely a contract.

An MoU may have lot of specificities but it still will be Non Binding

https://www.changelabsolutions.org/sites/default/files/MOU-vs-Contracts_FINAL_20120117.pdf

Even a contract may have "get out" clauses which allows one or both parties to get out of the contract because of certain circumstances. It will all depend on the language of the contract

The PCB is most welcome to file the case. The BCCI will fight it in the ICC or courts or arbitration and will be vindicated

Have you? any lawyer will tell you that an MoU can be legally enforceable based on the wordings or terms of the document, there is no set outline or definition for what an MoU has to be. Seeing as how there are specific terms in the cricket MoU regarding dates, number of matches, venue locations, as well as other conditions, its pretty evident that this is more than a simple MoU and more like a contract which means the PCB can get compensation if the other party is breaching the terms of that contract. Again, go ask any lawyer, there is no set outline for what an MoU must contain, and depending on the wording of the MoU document it can be legally binding.

The fact you cant even understand this kind of basic understanding, really explains your cricket boards mentality and why you are getting sued over such a basic legal document. Please use your single brain cell and actually think logically for a second.

You are saying these things as if you have read the MoU or have access to it. Please post the same here so that we all can see whether it is MoU or Legal Contract

 

[AntiToxic]

An MoU may have lot of specificities but it still will be Non Binding

https://www.changelabsolutions.org/sites/default/files/MOU-vs-Contracts_FINAL_20120117.pdf

Even a contract may have "get out" clauses which allows one or both parties to get out of the contract because of certain circumstances. It will all depend on the language of the contract

The PCB is most welcome to file the case. The BCCI will fight it in the ICC or courts or arbitration and will be vindicated


You are saying these things as if you have read the MoU or have access to it. Please post the same here so that we all can see whether it is MoU or Legal Contract

Feel bad for PCB.... begging for money... BCCI should donate some millions to this poor board ... let them be happy.. atleast they can avoid to be bankrupt.

 

[RISING SUN]

Have you? any lawyer will tell you that an MoU can be legally enforceable based on the wordings or terms of the document, there is no set outline or definition for what an MoU has to be. Seeing as how there are specific terms in the cricket MoU regarding dates, number of matches, venue locations, as well as other conditions, its pretty evident that this is more than a simple MoU and more like a contract which means the PCB can get compensation if the other party is breaching the terms of that contract. Again, go ask any lawyer, there is no set outline for what an MoU must contain, and depending on the wording of the MoU document it can be legally binding.

The fact you cant even understand this kind of basic understanding, really explains your cricket boards mentality and why you are getting sued over such a basic legal document. Please use your single brain cell and actually think logically for a second.

I have that's why I am aware of legal difference in corporate affairs. Every MOU has some praposal at its core but no definite structure and clauses including for existing the deal(in MOU there is none). Check the below link for your reference. PCB never entered into the legal agreement with BCCI. It's one of oldest relevant web link.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/744765.html

Pakistan says it has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the BCCI to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023. Four of those series will be hosted by Pakistan and the six tours - pending a legal agreement - will include up to 14 Tests, 30 ODIs and 12 T20s.

"We are working on chalking out a detailed FTP for eight years but meanwhile I can confirm that the MoU has been signed with India, according to which we will be playing six series," a top PCB official told ESPNcricinfo. "They will be hosting us twice while Pakistan will host them four times as a part of home series and further modalities will be confirmed later on."

There was no confirmation of this from the BCCI.

The move follows Pakistan's conditional support for the ICC revamp, which hinged on the promise of six series against India, including a 'home' series in the Gulf as part of an upcoming, reworked eight-year FTP cycle from 2015 to 2023. The change in the PCB's stance took place on the condition that Pakistan would be involved in bilateral series against all Full Members, including India. The first of these bilateral series could take place in the UAE in the winter of 2015.
India and Pakistan have not played a full series since the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai, which India blamed on militants based across the border. However, Pakistan visited India for a short limited-over series in December 2012, which was regarded as a stepping stone in reviving cricketing ties between both countries.

The teams last played a full series in 2007, in India. However, despite the latest developments, given the sensitive relationship between the governments of the two countries, a fresh government NOC will be required before each series. India has just completed voting in its general elections with the results out on May 16; the BCCI is unlikely to proceed without the new government's green signal.

An MoU may have lot of specificities but it still will be Non Binding

https://www.changelabsolutions.org/sites/default/files/MOU-vs-Contracts_FINAL_20120117.pdf

Even a contract may have "get out" clauses which allows one or both parties to get out of the contract because of certain circumstances. It will all depend on the language of the contract

The PCB is most welcome to file the case. The BCCI will fight it in the ICC or courts or arbitration and will be vindicated


You are saying these things as if you have read the MoU or have access to it. Please post the same here so that we all can see whether it is MoU or Legal Contract

There is nothing to fight in the court as they didn't sign the legal documents, they signed only MOU paper. That is the main reason they have been claiming to fight for the compensation since last few years but still not able to file it, says it all. They are fooling local people in believing that they have been successfully fighting against BCCI, but the fact is there has been no fight since last 3 years when Pakistan started the claim. Don't you think it's too long to even take a decision! After few more years when situation will cool down, and BCCI may play with them with Indian government permission, they will claim that as India has agreed to play, they will not fight in court! Thank you.

Below link though domestic but have clarity on MOU, Agreement and contract.
https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/ap...l/news-story/77ed5538aca6f77602cdcd26842c534b

 

[Flash_Ninja]

I have that's why I am aware of legal difference in corporate affairs. Every MOU has some praposal at its core but no definite structure and clauses including for existing the deal(in MOU there is none). Check the below link for your reference. PCB never entered into the legal agreement with BCCI. It's one of oldest relevant web link.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/744765.html

You still havent answered, if this is just a simple MoU why does it contain such specific details, how many MoU's have specific terms and conditions, and how many contracts have specific terms and conditions?

Why would BCCI sign an MoU containing such specific details, and not a version vaguely promising to revisit at a future date?

I'll tell you why, because a legal agreement must have been made, BCCI's only excuse so far is not that it is a simple MoU, but that it was denied permission from its government to play. If the board signed an agreement with no specific terminology or elements of a contract, they could simply state that the agreement made with PCB was just a written agreement with no legal standing.

The teams last played a full series in 2007, in India. However, despite the latest developments, given the sensitive relationship between the governments of the two countries, a fresh government NOC will be required before each series. India has just completed voting in its general elections with the results out on May 16; the BCCI is unlikely to proceed without the new government's green signal.

If this was not in the document then its irrelevant.

An MoU may have lot of specificities but it still will be Non Binding

https://www.changelabsolutions.org/sites/default/files/MOU-vs-Contracts_FINAL_20120117.pdf

Hey retard, did you even read that document yourself?

"Although there can be legal distinctions between the two types of documents, there may be no legal or practical difference if they are written with similar language."

Even a contract may have "get out" clauses which allows one or both parties to get out of the contract because of certain circumstances. It will all depend on the language of the contract

The PCB is most welcome to file the case. The BCCI will fight it in the ICC or courts or arbitration and will be vindicated

If this was the case, BCCI would have used the "get out clause" long ago, instead of making lame excuses.

You are saying these things as if you have read the MoU or have access to it. Please post the same here so that we all can see whether it is MoU or Legal Contract

I never claimed to have read it, I am speaking hypothetically, and if you actually learned to read you can see in my first post I said I haven't seen the document.

 

[Sully3]

india the only country in the world where sports and politics are encouraged to mix together.


shameful

 

[RISING SUN]

You still havent answered, if this is just a simple MoU why does it contain such specific details, how many MoU's have specific terms and conditions, and how many contracts have specific terms and conditions?

Why would BCCI sign an MoU containing such specific details, and not a version vaguely promising to revisit at a future date?

I'll tell you why, because a legal agreement must have been made, BCCI's only excuse so far is not that it is a simple MoU, but that it was denied permission from its government to play. If the board signed an agreement with no specific terminology or elements of a contract, they could simply state that the agreement made with PCB was just a written agreement with no legal standing.



If this was not in the document then its irrelevant.



Hey retard, did you even read that document yourself?

"Although there can be legal distinctions between the two types of documents, there may be no legal or practical difference if they are written with similar language."



If this was the case, BCCI would have used the "get out clause" long ago, instead of making lame excuses.



I never claimed to have read it, I am speaking hypothetically, and if you actually learned to read you can see in my first post I said I haven't seen the document.

You have as usually ignored below para with very much convenience, especially in red. That sums it all. MOU contains all those details as mentioned in this MOU, perhaps you have not been part of contract or MOU making team in past or even a student of Management or LAW degree otherwise you would have understood it by now. Anyways whenever you have convenience to read, do read and revert on below para and yes it is very old news, from the days MOU was signed. Both points remain valid as same was noted during MOU.

"Pakistan says it has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the BCCI to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023. Four of those series will be hosted by Pakistan and the six tours - pending a legal agreement - will include up to 14 Tests, 30 ODIs and 12 T20s."

india the only country in the world where sports and politics are encouraged to mix together.


shameful

Oh well, we didn't know Olympic played by aliens as they have plenty of examples where countries prefer their citizens safety than the match. What were you saying, err??? Thank you.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

You have as usually ignored below para with very much convenience, especially in red. That sums it all. MOU contains all those details as mentioned in this MOU, perhaps you have not been part of contract or MOU making team in past or even a student of Management or LAW degree otherwise you would have understood it by now. Anyways whenever you have convenience to read, do read and revert on below para and yes it is very old news, from the days MOU was signed. Both points remain valid as same was noted during MOU.

"Pakistan says it has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the BCCI to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023. Four of those series will be hosted by Pakistan and the six tours - pending a legal agreement - will include up to 14 Tests, 30 ODIs and 12 T20s."


Oh well, we didn't know Olympic played by aliens as they have plenty of examples where countries prefer their citizens safety than the match. What were you saying, err??? Thank you.

This is just the way the news was reported, this journalists pov has no standing in a court of law, especially a journalist who hasnt seen the contents of the agreement. They may have wrote that its pending a legal agreement, because generally thats what MoU's require, but if the MoU is worded as a contract then it is legally enforceable.

 

[RISING SUN]

This is just the way the news was reported, this journalists pov has no standing in a court of law, especially a journalist who hasnt seen the contents of the agreement. They may have wrote that its pending a legal agreement, because generally thats what MoU's require, but if the MoU is worded as a contract then it is legally enforceable.

IF A MOU IS WORDED AS CONTRACT, IT'S A CONTRACT, NOT MOU. How much will you keep dancing here and there? Reporters especially from professional sports sites like Cricinfo don't play zukini with news.

 

[Soumitra]

This is just the way the news was reported, this journalists pov has no standing in a court of law, especially a journalist who hasnt seen the contents of the agreement. They may have wrote that its pending a legal agreement, because generally thats what MoU's require, but if the MoU is worded as a contract then it is legally enforceable.

The best thing will be to wait for the verdict in the case as the judges will be better placed to see if it is a legally binding contract or not