Pathetic Indian Police- FBI analysis of 26/11

[chachachoudhary]

@ Break the silence

i know there were brave men too but a force should have all the brave men and no cowards who run away when the nation needs them most.what are they getting paid for..its completely fine if they stop us and fine us unnecesarily but atleast do your duty properly..i am sorry to say this but if the Mumbai police knew a thing or two about Urban Warfare..things would have been very different people...

10 terrorist in the heart of the city killed 200 people and Mumbai police just captured one terrorist and managed to kill one??...isnt it shameful?? And the best part is they ran away too!!!

I request you to read the complete account of 26/11 incident on a minute-to-minute details and then come here to comment.

Everybody agree there was laxity and lack of operational protocol, but there are very, very genuine reasons for this including politics, lack of proper communication channels, and inability of top officers to get involved where they should have been.

Get your facts right brother.

To start with, you can begin reading about incidents at Cama Hospital.

 

[Adam Gilchrist]

I request you to read the complete account of 26/11 incident on a minute-to-minute details and then come here to comment.

Everybody agree there was laxity and lack of operational protocol, but there are very, very genuine reasons for this including politics, lack of proper communication channels, and inability of top officers to get involved where they should have been.

Get your facts right brother.

To start with, you can begin reading about incidents at Cama Hospital.

Are you talking about the incident where the terrorists ambushed the police van near cama hospital?

Whatever happened brother..i am saying that police could have handled the incident better in this post and apart from this i always talked about the attotude of police in India..be it any state.

And for those who dont think police has ever done anything wrong..i suggest you to read some national news apart from the defence news you read...and every common man knows what police in India is...i dont want to make this thread dirty by posting the crimes police has done in India.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@ Break the silence

i know there were brave men too but a force should have all the brave men and no cowards who run away when the nation needs them most.what are they getting paid for..its completely fine if they stop us and fine us unnecesarily but atleast do your duty properly..i am sorry to say this but if the Mumbai police knew a thing or two about Urban Warfare..things would have been very different people...

10 terrorist in the heart of the city killed 200 people and Mumbai police just captured one terrorist and managed to kill one??...isnt it shameful?? And the best part is they ran away too!!!

Dear Sir,

With reference to the posts made by you and Dr. Sim, I could not disagree with you more strongly. If you permit, I should like to present my views to you in the hope that it will convert you from such an attitude to a greater understanding of what a policeman goes through.

It is a pity that we have to wash our dirty linen in front of our hosts.

Sincerely,

 

[RescueRanger]

As a former LE man myself all i can say is the Police did the best they could. All this talk of police running away. My friends a bolt action 303 vs a fully auto AK47 is a whole different ball game.

I am never happy when external agencies criticise the national police force of a nation without an indepth understanding of the constraints faced by such agencies.

As for indian members, please be proud for those officers who gave their todays for your tomorrow.

Salam.

 

[Adam Gilchrist]

Dear Sir,

With reference to the posts made by you and Dr. Sim, I could not disagree with you more strongly. If you permit, I should like to present my views to you in the hope that it will convert you from such an attitude to a greater understanding of what a policeman goes through.

It is a pity that we have to wash our dirty linen in front of our hosts.

Sincerely,

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your comments...i would like to tell you that i am a neutral guy..a guy who is open to facts not propoganda..because i am living in the great nation called India where we have the right to express our views...and not in CHINA.

I can't understand why some people are behavio
ng like Chinese...where they want to talk about the good things only.

What the fact is..shall always remain the fact.

The problem i have is with the attitude of police...and nothing else.Our police has no respect for the citizens.I have seen foreign police talk respectfull to its citizens.

Police is there to serve us and not rule us.And these are real life experiences i am talking about...i wish that policemen be taught to respect us first.

If you are involved in any case unless you dont have money or power..they will screw your case.

So i hope you get my point and the neigbours you are talking about are no better either!

 

[Break the Silence]

The problem i have is with the attitude of police...and nothing else.Our police has no respect for the citizens.I have seen foreign police talk respectfull to its citizens.
Police is there to serve us and not rule us.And these are real life experiences i am talking about...i wish that policemen be taught to respect us first.

To some extent , I am agree with you , But again respect should be mutual.... Those policemen are not aliens ,they also a part of common public..But Its India, not USA, UK or other country..They have to fullfill their duties..People tends to avoid rule and clash takes place. Being a boy who belong to a defence background, where last 3 generation have served the nation...,I have chosen private sector to go ahead with, Altough there was no prblem with me to go for S.I. in D.p. but again the "Respect " factor came in the way.. Today, people have no respect for cops either..and Leave the 'Rich ones' ..Coz the treat policemen like security guards. So what I mean To say is...despite every where you can find "odds", We must give resect to security personnel also.

If you are involved in any case unless you dont have money or power..they will screw your case.

I agree, But again Whole system is corrupt... People who have high status in society and have political influence are true culprits..

 

[mjnaushad]

I think police of Both side on many occasion showed their 'bravery'. Saying they had old guns should not be an excuse. Our police is not serious. And right now when i say our it means India and Pakistan. Tell me how many police costables or ASI fired a rifle after they get our of academy. No one even bothers to go for shooting practice to keep his aim good.

I must say American police is example for us......Aleast indian police had .303 rifles.....but Ameican police stoped the AKs with 9MM pistols...And the robbers were fully armoured.

Just watch this movie....Its based on orignal story and many footages are also orignal..

44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-Out (2003) (TV)

 

[lhuang]

I think police of Both side on many occasion showed their 'bravery'. Saying they had old guns should not be an excuse. Our police is not serious. And right now when i say our it means India and Pakistan. Tell me how many police costables or ASI fired a rifle after they get our of academy. No one even bothers to go for shooting practice to keep his aim good.

I must say American police is example for us......Aleast indian police had .303 rifles.....but Ameican police stoped the AKs with 9MM pistols...And the robbers were fully armoured.

Just watch this movie....Its based on orignal story and many footages are also orignal..

44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-Out (2003) (TV)

Um are you comparing WWII era bolt action rifles to modern sidearms?

 

[Bang Galore]

and people call Mumbai police the best..it is simply shameful...what happened to the super hyped encounter specialist...even J&K police SOG could have done better than them.

Yeah probably. But that's because SOG deals with terrorists every day & has access to much better weapons. This only proves the point that the results might have been different if better training & equipment was give earlier to the Mumbai cops.

The biggest difference between Indian police and US police is the ATTITUDE...which you cannot buy with money...our police is still following the training given to them from the British Raj days that is "simply to supress people"

That's not just the difference between US & Indian police forces, it's also the differences in our respective attitudes to those who serve. We don't care about them, about their salaries, their accommodation,their training, their equipment and then we get on forums belittling them, mocking their sacrifices & ask why they didn't do more with their lathis? See the image of the brave policeman who takes a 303 from a fellow cop & actually attempts to stop two guys with Ak 47's. Is it his fault that the rifle jams? They surely deserve more credit than what you are offering.

@ Break the silence

i know there were brave men too but a force should have all the brave men and no cowards who run away when the nation needs them most.what are they getting paid for..its completely fine if they stop us and fine us unnecesarily but atleast do your duty properly..i am sorry to say this but if the Mumbai police knew a thing or two about Urban Warfare..things would have been very different people...

We too would like to have only sober heads on this forum but unfortunately it does not work that way.

So are you irritated at the cops because you thought that they fined you unnecessarily? Do you know the difference between traffic police & the other cops? I'm sure if the Mumbai police knew a thing or two about urban warfare & they had better weapons, things would have been different. But whose decision was it to arm them with lathis & not train them? Did the police protest saying that they did not want better equipment & training? We don't care about them when things are normal & we except them to die for us holding a lathi?

10 terrorist in the heart of the city killed 200 people and Mumbai police just captured one terrorist and managed to kill one??...isnt it shameful?? And the best part is they ran away too!!!

This is just such a cussed remark. The rest of the terrorists were in hotels and taking them on would have been the job of special units anywhere in the world.

@ Kinetic

I was criticising their attitude and i didnt call them pathetic.

Now talking about attitude...i dare say that some of them lack manners and dont know how to talk with respect...and its a personal experiencs many times ...so keep posting ur crap..i will feel what i have seen in life...I dont have respect for people who come in these cateogary.

That sadly is a reflection of our society & your post enumerates it better than most. What respect do you show the police officers/constables? You expect respect & compare them the U.S. but would you ever speak to an American cop the way you would to an Indian cop?


There is nothing wrong with the American FBI agent's observation. It's all true & we should learn from it just as they are learning from it in the U.S. The failure of 26/11 was a systemic one & holding low levels cops guilty ( the higher ones should be held accountable) is a travesty that should not be done.

 

[mjnaushad]

Um are you comparing WWII era bolt action rifles to modern sidearms?

Atleast those bold action were able to kill.....9 MM were not as the robbers were fully armored and on one occasion took shotgun shot and still no effect.....

And i am comparing the practice adopted by our police and US police....They do go to shooting practice but most of our constables only fire rifles once in life when they are in academy......

I am comparing bravery ......I am not talking about indian police but on many occasion Pakistani police showed such 'bravery' that even goats got ashamed.

Call me a troll but police performance is not what it should be in our region.

 

[pak-marine]

-- the episode which saw NSG commandos take over 10 hours to reach Mumbai from Delhi

^^ this cant be true , 10 hours ? wtf !

 

[Ganga]

^^ this cant be true , 10 hours ? wtf !

Unfortunately it is true.I think i read in a report that the planes which were designated to carry the commandos in case of an emergency were not present at the airport and an aircraft had to be brought from agra to ferry them(I am not sure wether this was actually the case).

 

[Adam Gilchrist]

Ok..nice to get some better comments this time because i have come hear to learn and not to fight.

But i think that comment regarding disrespect to the police is nott correct.No one goes and abuses them coz if they do they will be screwed big time be it here or USA.

I agree that we dont give them enought money and facility and things should be improved..but its not in my hand..i m just a common man who will..who knows when...get struck in mumbai like situations...i mean all of us can jus debate till the time another mumbai type incident happens and govt. learns something.

But still i have to say if they respect us more they can be our heroes..like most of us love the army.

@ Bang galore...dude i know the difference between a cop and a traffic cop..but maybe you dont know the difference between railway police and noramal police...coz that 303 incident hapened with a railway police guy from bihar who got awarded for his bravery too....chill madi you sober head !!!

@ Break the silence...thanks for agreeing buddy..its good to know u feel what happens to us someimes who dont know anyone in police and get screwed up sometimes ....its good to know that you are from defence background for three generations...same is the condition here..and when you decide to go and join corporate sector not many people want you to do that..this was my experience..

 

[noksss]

Before making idiotic statements first join the police and try to improve it. They fought back and died, what you did?

Indian police force are way way better than US one. There were some faults during Mumbai terror attack but they handle it and they handle it better than what other country's police could do. If it was US police than instead of Mumbai police the civilian casualties would have been much larger. If the 'armed' policemen at CST were from US than instead of fighting back, dying, killing, capturing of terrorists, they would have been run away from the city itself.


Dr Sim our ignorant media specially TOI and Indian Express are curious what US thinking about them!!! and no need to be ashamed, I will give you a three not three and you have to fight against terrorists with AK-56! Will you enjoy it? For a while you will remember 'pathetic' Mumbai police.

Before calling his comment idiotic try to understand what he is saying .He is saying that if the police deployed in CST behaved in the same way as the constable OMBLe did the situation would have been better .And before talking about the comparison b/w 303 and Ak-47 think about if OMBLE thinks like u we would not have captured KASAb alive .

 

[Break the Silence]

Before calling his comment idiotic try to understand what he is saying .He is saying that if the police deployed in CST behaved in the same way as the constable OMBLe did the situation would have been better .And before talking about the comparison b/w 303 and Ak-47 think about if OMBLE thinks like u we would not have captured KASAb alive .

hi nokss, I was comparing the .303 to Ak-47 to justify that its not gud to blame whole force.. and see my post at first page, where in I have mentioned the supreme sacrifice of Martyr Omble.