Parts of exploded AIM-120 AMRAAM (27 Feb) revealed

[American Pakistani]

The same goes for the Indian claim of hitting a Pakistani F-16. So you are saying that claimed F-16 hit by IAF is also false?

Wrong comparison. 2 planes were seen going down. One was mig 21 and the other one was su31. Even early reports by Indians revealed this fact.

There was no downing of F16 as all of these jets were counted by American officials. Whereas no accounting of Indian su31.

The reason pakistan cannot give the pictures of wreckage is because it fell on the Indian illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir. Still the radars pictures and few other technical proofs were released.

We have always given wrong comparisons and promoted Indian propaganda. Just like many of us still mistakenly compare Balochistan with Indian illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir. Which instead should be compared with Assam, Khalistan, Tamiadu, etc (the undisputed parts).

 

[Prince Kassad]

Mig 21 shoots down f16, we keep hearing so much bravado, reality speaks differently.

 

[vishwambhar]

Last time I checked, IOJK is in Indian control.. Isn't it?

Then you could have produced the DOOSRA BANDA (Flanker pilot) who was in your custody as per your ISPR

 

[PakSword]

Then you could have produced the DOOSRA BANDA (Flanker pilot) who was in your custody as per your ISPR

You believe our DG ISPR so much.. but when he said the second jet crashed in IOJK, you intentionally skip that statement.

Now as our DG ISPR said, the second jet crashed on Indian side of LoC, please can you give us back our F-16 wreckage?

 

[PakSword]

Mig 21 shoots down f16, we keep hearing so much bravado, reality speaks differently.

The time to claim an F-16 hit has passed already (with FP claiming all F-16 were accounted for)..

Now is the time to defend SU-30 loss. You can hear the cries of Indians all over internet.. "No no no.. we didn't lose SU-30"..

Move on to your second claim.. no one in the world takes F-16 claim seriously.

 

[PakSword]

@Signalian how about the title now?

 

[Signalian]

@Signalian how about the title now?

Thank you

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog. ...

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? ...

Here is what Sir Kaiser Tufail wrote on his blog which was also quoted by Alan Warnes:

"... With excellent situational awareness, and the adversary in disarray, an F-16 fired a BVR AMRAAM (AIM-120C) at an approaching Su-30. Whether the aircraft survived with nil or minor damage, or was hit critically remains moot, but the missile coming from nowhere and exploding in the vicinity resulted in complete panic amongst the IAF aircraft. ..."​

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/12/changing-dynamics-of-air-warfare-in.html?m=1

 

[Oracle]

aik to sala Serial number aur ID card hamesha se Indian govt ko sahi salamat milta ha . Baqi har cheez ka kachumar nikal aye ... lakin ID card + serial number is always protected

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

yes false till no concrete evidence.

But it's your Air Chief who's claimed IAF Mig-21 shooting down a PAF F-16.

Is the Indian Air Force Chief spreading "false" info?

 

[Lincoln]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294850672462925824

It’s beating a dead horse by now but after 1.5 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any evidence?
Even F-16.net was forced to admit that their source was only Alan Warnes (a journalist with extremely extremely close ties to PAF for many years)
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57254&sid=4d6b2407eba5ac840c3211f2c80decfc

Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog.


So again, where is proof? It can’t be for “classified” reasons because even Americans often release proof of kills, or at the least the wreckage of kills claimed by America often is found. In Pakistan’s case not only have they not released any proof of anything but no wreckage has ever been found. We know the general area where the MKI was operating but no one found the wreckage, pilots or took video or photos.

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing? India let hostile enemy civilians come up to the wreckage and even take photos. Ironically the MI-17 crashed only 250 metres outside an Indian paramilitary base, yet India could not and did not cover up the wreckage.

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.

Count the things we do have as evidence.

 

[ColonelSanders]

This is the same missile that indian airforce chief showed (pulled out of the destroyed SU 30). How is showing the same missile is the proof that an SU 30 was NOT shot down?

For the other debri of the missile, missiles are supposed to explode, and looking at a lot of small pieces, thats what happened. No need to jump up and down on the monkey claims of some idiot.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294850672462925824

It’s beating a dead horse by now but after 1.5 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any evidence?
Even F-16.net was forced to admit that their source was only Alan Warnes (a journalist with extremely extremely close ties to PAF for many years)
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57254&sid=4d6b2407eba5ac840c3211f2c80decfc

Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog.


So again, where is proof? It can’t be for “classified” reasons because even Americans often release proof of kills, or at the least the wreckage of kills claimed by America often is found. In Pakistan’s case not only have they not released any proof of anything but no wreckage has ever been found. We know the general area where the MKI was operating but no one found the wreckage, pilots or took video or photos.

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing? India let hostile enemy civilians come up to the wreckage and even take photos. Ironically the MI-17 crashed only 250 metres outside an Indian paramilitary base, yet India could not and did not cover up the wreckage.

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.

 

[ColonelSanders]

But it's your Air Chief who's claimed IAF Mig-21 shooting down a PAF F-16.

Is the Indian Air Force Chief spreading "false" info?

The only thing shot down by the Mig 21 was IAF's pride

 

[F86 Saber]

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aik to sala Serial number aur ID card hamesha se Indian govt ko sahi salamat milta ha . Baqi har cheez ka kachumar nikal aye ... lakin ID card + serial number is always protected by their bhagwan

AMRAAM has been blown to smithereens and yet the part with the serial number is completely intact, how convenient.

 

[maverick1977]

Here is what Sir Kaiser Tufail wronte on his blog which was also quoted by Alan Warnes:

"... With excellent situational awareness, and the adversary in disarray, an F-16 fired a BVR AMRAAM (AIM-120C) at an approaching Su-30. Whether the aircraft survived with nil or minor damage, or was hit critically remains moot, but the missile coming from nowhere and exploding in the vicinity resulted in complete panic amongst the IAF aircraft. ..."​

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/12/changing-dynamics-of-air-warfare-in.html?m=1

Loved it... The worst thing an enemy can experience is not knowing where are the missiles coming from... That scared all their aircrafts in the vicinity. Mirage 2000-5, SU30MKis all showed tails and ran back towards SAM covers. PAF should have taken more down with SEAD ladden aircrafts and shouldve shown a full spectrum response.