Parts of exploded AIM-120 AMRAAM (27 Feb) revealed

[Tejas Spokesman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294850672462925824

It’s beating a dead horse by now but after 1.5 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any evidence?
Even F-16.net was forced to admit that their source was only Alan Warnes (a journalist with extremely extremely close ties to PAF for many years)
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57254&sid=4d6b2407eba5ac840c3211f2c80decfc

Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog.


So again, where is proof? It can’t be for “classified” reasons because even Americans often release proof of kills, or at the least the wreckage of kills claimed by America often is found. In Pakistan’s case not only have they not released any proof of anything but no wreckage has ever been found. We know the general area where the MKI was operating but no one found the wreckage, pilots or took video or photos.

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing? India let hostile enemy civilians come up to the wreckage and even take photos. Ironically the MI-17 crashed only 250 metres outside an Indian paramilitary base, yet India could not and did not cover up the wreckage.

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.

 

[Amavous]

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.

The same goes for the Indian claim of hitting a Pakistani F-16. So you are saying that claimed F-16 hit by IAF is also false?

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

The same goes for the Indian claim of hitting a Pakistani F-16. So you are saying that claimed F-16 hit by IAF is also false?

yes false till no concrete evidence.

 

[Shah_Deu]

So the Bollywood needed 1.5 years to produce the wreckage, whereas our ISPR showed the wreckage of the unfired missiles from your mahaan Mig 21 within 1.5 hours of the incident.

Seems like Sq. Ldr Hassan Siddiqui has alone kept the whole of IAF busy for the last 1.5 years proving him false. He must be a superhero by any standards.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

So the Bollywood needed 1.5 years to produce the wreckage, whereas our ISPR showed the wreckage of the unfired missiles from your mahaan Mig 21 within 1.5 hours of the incident.

The wreckage was actually published less than week after event by spokesperson but not many in media picked it up as their focus was on F-16 story.

 

[Goenitz]

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet?

that is the valid point, even if SU-30 had exploded in far place. or a 'miracle' that it didn't get fire. BTW, Nandu's plane didn't get fire too, except the left wing. And you have seen many crashes in India too where plane didn't get that much fire.
But if you are able to find such small pieces (who know what they are), you should find all the other 4-5 'dodged' AMRAAMS
(Edited)

 

[CrazyZ]

So the Bollywood needed 1.5 years to produce the wreckage, whereas our ISPR showed the wreckage of the unfired missiles from your mahaan Mig 21 within 1.5 hours of the incident.

It takes time to seperate the AMRAAM parts from the Sukhoi parts.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

that is the point. But if you are able to find such small pieces (who know what they are), you should find all the other 4-5'dodged' AAMRAMS

As per PAF only 1 AMRAAM was fired at Su-30s. Though I cannt rule out if more were fired or not.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing?

Because it was already too late, civilians reached place of incident before indian authorities and they uploaded images to social media before indian authorities could seal the areas, nevertheless india tried its best to cover up IAF blunder by first delaying investigation and then lying that it's black box was stolen

 

[Shah_Deu]

It takes time to seperate the AMRAAM parts from the Sukhoi parts.

The wreckage was actually published less than week after event by spokesperson but not many in media picked it up as their focus was on F-16 story.

So they were focusing on the F-16 since the last 1.5 years and want to dedicate the next 1.5 years to produce new evidence. Godspeed indeed! For the sake of comparison the whole movie Titanic was produced and released in less than 1.5 years.

 

[Trango Towers]

yes false till no concrete evidence.

Yawn

 

[Trango Towers]

As per PAF only 1 AMRAAM was fired at Su-30s. Though I cannt rule out if more were fired or not.

Boring....you think thats the full ANRAAM...good luck

 

[PakSword]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294850672462925824

It’s beating a dead horse by now but but after 1.5 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any evidence?
Even F-16.net was forced to admit that their source was only Alan Warnes (a journalist with extremely extremely close ties to PAF for many years)
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57254&sid=4d6b2407eba5ac840c3211f2c80decfc

Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog.


So again, where is proof? It can’t be for “classified” reasons because even Americans often release proof of kills, or at the least the wreckage of kills claimed by America often is found. In Pakistan’s case not only have they not released any proof of anything but no wreckage has ever been found. We know the general area were the MKI was operating but no one found the wreckage, pilots or took video or photos.

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing? India let hostile enemy civilians come up to the wreckage and even take photos. Ironically the MI-17 crashed only 250 metres outside an Indian paramilitary base, yet India could not and did not cover up the wreckage.

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.

Are you sure its the complete wreckage of Pakistani AMRAAM?

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Also the AMRAAM crashed into the village of Mamankote in Chassana tehsil of Reasi district in Jammu division of the state of Jammu and Kashmir.
One villager was injured by the resultant explosion. Others villagers immediately informed the nearest police station whose cops rushed to the spot and sent the injured man to hospital and secured the wreckage. Soon officials of a nearby IAF unit visited the spot and took the AIM-120 wreckage into custody.
Later the wreck was brought to New Delhi by an IAF AN-32/HS-748.

 

[Mrc]

This is just an angled photo not complete wreckage