Partition - an estimate of the population changes

[roadrunner]

The argument by the Hindutva fanatics is that Pakistan is full of Indian people because during Partition Pakistan was flooded by lots of Indians, so that Pakistan now looks Indian! A very simple calculation to disprove this statement is as follows..

Total Muslim population of west pakistan (1951 census) = 28 million

Total Muslim population of west pakistan (1941 census) = 22 million

Growth rate of West Pakistan = approx. 2% per annum

10 years will see a 120% increase

Expected Muslim population in 1951 = 26.2 million.

Actual minus expected = 28 million -26.2 million = 1.8 million immigrants.. Total West Pak pop (1951) = 29 million

So percentage of immigrants from India (majority from East Punjab) = 1.8/29 = 6.2%.


Source for figures - BHARAT RAKSHAK MONITOR - Volume 6(2) September October 2003

This isn't too far off the Urdu speaking population of 7% or something of modern day Pakistan.

Using a 2% growth factor, one can see that Partition had a near negligible (7%) impact on the Pakistani population.

The Indian calculation will follow.

 

[aryan2007]

The argument by the Hindutva fanatics is that Pakistan is full of Indian people because during Partition Pakistan was flooded by lots of Indians, so that Pakistan now looks Indian! A very simple calculation to disprove this statement is as follows..

Total Muslim population of west pakistan (1951 census) = 28 million

Total Muslim population of west pakistan (1941 census) = 22 million

Growth rate of West Pakistan = approx. 2% per annum

10 years will see a 120% increase

Expected Muslim population in 1951 = 26.2 million.

Actual minus expected = 28 million -26.2 million = 1.8 million immigrants.. Total West Pak pop (1951) = 29 million

So percentage of immigrants from India (majority from East Punjab) = 1.8/29 = 6.2%.


Source for figures - BHARAT RAKSHAK MONITOR - Volume 6(2) September October 2003

This isn't too far off the Urdu speaking population of 7% or something of modern day Pakistan.

Using a 2% growth factor, one can see that Partition had a near negligible (7%) impact on the Pakistani population.

The Indian calculation will follow.

I am a sikh and Please give an academic source..

 

[roadrunner]

That is an academic source. The references are taken from the British Indian censuses. You can find them in various books. They are the most accurate information there is on population figures.

 

[aryan2007]

That is an academic source. The references are taken from the British Indian censuses. You can find them in various books. They are the most accurate information there is on population figures.

Could give me an online source or the ISBN number of the book you are using??

 

[UnitedPak]

Could give me an online source or the ISBN number of the book you are using??

You never stop do you?
You have been given the name of the sources, (1941/1951 Pakistan consensus), How many papers could there possibly be with those names?

Why dont you start by providing names of the sources you are using, like the "25-30%" figure you gave us earlier? I would love to know where that came from.

 

[aryan2007]

You never stop do you?
You have been given the name of the sources, (1941/1951 Pakistan consensus), How many papers could there possibly be with those names?

Why dont you start by providing names of the sources you are using, like the "25-30%" figure you gave us earlier? I would love to know where that came from.

I asked for the source, and where could I procure one from..
Please just don't write census 1941/51 + is it available online? + this it state the number of people who migrated, no. who were killed etc.. cheers..

And as for my source read the post it was from wiki.. which a member said was not academic enuff therefore I gave half a dozen other.. and if you so wish I will hunt some more "Academic Sources" ..

Aren't u unre4l from IDF??
+ you are A shia Muslim isn't it??
cheers..

 

[UnitedPak]

I asked for the source, and where could I procure one from..
Please just don't write census 1941/51 + is it available online? + this it state the number of people who migrated, no. who were killed etc.. cheers..

And as for my source read the post it was from wiki.. which a member said was not academic enuff therefore I gave half a dozen other.. and if you so wish I will hunt some more "Academic Sources" ..

Aren't u unre4l from IDF??
+ you are A shia Muslim isn't it??
cheers..

What does the number of people killed, have to do with the modern populations of Pakistan? You lost this argument the moment you said "same people". cheers.

I am not a member of Iran defence forum, I just read the threads.
And my family members are shia and sunni. I dont know enough about the difference to class myself as either.

 

[aryan2007]

What does the number of people killed, have to do with the modern populations of Pakistan? You lost this argument the moment you said "same people". cheers.

If you mean exact mirror opposites nah..
See you just come and attack a few sentences.. read the posts.. and then as AM says don't go line by line but try to see the totality of them...

I am not a member of Iran defence forum, I just read the threads.

K..
And how many threads did you read of me supporting Pakistanis??

you are unre4l I am pretty sure.. if you are not.. he is not a nice chappy..

And my family members are shia and sunni. I dont know enough about the difference to class myself as either.

Oh haven't you read the Shia and Sunni threads in the either forum??
Well more specifically aren't you an Ismaili

 

[roadrunner]

Aryan,

it would be good if you could stop trolling threads with lots of nonsense. I have given the source of the data. They are in the 1941 and 1951 censuses. The raw figures for these censuses are quoted in the BR link I've given. If you want to buy a book with this data in, you can find some easily (several exist, you can do your own work and search for them), or you can get in touch with

Census Of India - Census Reports 1941

Now, I've given you the reference that the people at BR have researched the censuses and quoted the data in their article. Unless you can prove the data are wrong, then you'll have to accept it. It's a solid link. The people at BR might be fanatics, but they would project their propaganda by dubious methodology and statistics. There's no need for them to invent or lie about census figures, which would be very easy to spot.

To remind you (before your "Aryan" mind forgets), either prove those figures are wrong with alternative links, or tell me where in the calculation you think it's incorrect. Or you could simply agree with the calculation, and then you won't look as silly as you look now being a troll.

 

[UnitedPak]

K..
And how many threads did you read of me supporting Pakistanis??

you are unre4l I am pretty sure.. if you are not.. he is not a nice chappy..

Oh haven't you read the Shia and Sunni threads in the either forum??
Well more specifically aren't you an Ismaili

I read posts of you insulting Jinnah and Bin Qasim. I also saw you arguing with anything which dared to move.
I havent heard of "unre4l", but I will be on the look out if you say so.

 

[aryan2007]

I read posts of you insulting Jinnah and Bin Qasim. I also saw you arguing with anything which dared to move.

So?? I have explained to you and the mod.. again

Jinnah --> sorry I don't like him for the partition bit.. but he was a good leader and a player..

as for Bin Qasim no hard feelings from my side I quoted the source..

cheers..

I havent heard of "unre4l", but I will be on the look out if you say so.

As you wish..

 

[aryan2007]

RR I am posting some more info pour you..

For 1951-1961

Abstract-A critical evaluation of the available data on migration between
India and Pakistan in the 1951-61 decade leads to the conclusion that
there was a substantial net migration of Pakistan-born persons into India,
but only a negligible net migration of India-born persons into Pakistan.
Annual administrative statistics published by the Indian Government suggest
an immigration from Pakistan of the order of 1.16 to 1.32 million.
More importantly, birthplace data from the Indian censuses indicate a
net intercensal immigration of Pakistan-born persons amounting to 1.19
to 1.34 million, depending on the assumed level of mortality. The Pakistani
census data on the India-born show no net influx from India during 1951-
61. Intercensal growth rates for the populations of different religious
faiths in Pakistan are consistent with the estimates of net immigration
into India. The migrants and the survivors of their progeny are estimated
to represent a net gain of about 1.68 million by India and to account for
no more than 2.2 per cent of the total population growth in India during
1951-61.

MIGRATION BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN, 1951-61
Pravin M. Visaria
Department of Economics, University of Bombay, Bombay 32 BR, India

Demography, Vol. 6, No. 3. (Aug., 1969), pp. 323-334.

Demography is currently published by Population Association of America.

 

[aryan2007]

As per Ghosh's paper "Population Movements and Interstate conflicts in South Asia"

15mn people had migrated.
7.2mn muslims to Pakistan
7.8mn non muslims to India
in the 50's and 60's several million hindus from Pakistan to India...

cheers

 

[aryan2007]

The argument by the Hindutva fanatics is that Pakistan is full of Indian people because during Partition Pakistan was flooded by lots of Indians, so that Pakistan now looks Indian! A very simple calculation to disprove this statement is as follows..

THis is Bull... no calculation needed..

But the Islamic viewpoint that Pakistan is full of fair people as per pre1940's maps and false statisitics are also not to be believed either..

 

[roadrunner]

RR I am posting some more info pour you..

For 1951-1961

Abstract-A critical evaluation of the available data on migration between
India and Pakistan in the 1951-61 decade leads to the conclusion that
there was a substantial net migration of Pakistan-born persons into India,
but only a negligible net migration of India-born persons into Pakistan.
Annual administrative statistics published by the Indian Government suggest
an immigration from Pakistan of the order of 1.16 to 1.32 million.
More importantly, birthplace data from the Indian censuses indicate a
net intercensal immigration of Pakistan-born persons amounting to 1.19
to 1.34 million, depending on the assumed level of mortality. The Pakistani
census data on the India-born show no net influx from India during 1951-
61. Intercensal growth rates for the populations of different religious
faiths in Pakistan are consistent with the estimates of net immigration
into India. The migrants and the survivors of their progeny are estimated
to represent a net gain of about 1.68 million by India and to account for
no more than 2.2 per cent of the total population growth in India during
1951-61.

MIGRATION BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN, 1951-61
Pravin M. Visaria
Department of Economics, University of Bombay, Bombay 32 BR, India

Demography, Vol. 6, No. 3. (Aug., 1969), pp. 323-334.

Demography is currently published by Population Association of America.

And what? This says that no Indian moved into Pakistan between 1951-1961 basically, whilst perhaps a million Pakistanis moved into India (it doesnt even suggest how the people are known to have come from Pakistan and not say Bangaldesh). Anyhow, this is irrelevant nonsense as usual, an addition 1 million people into a country of 450 million is going to make an impact of 0.20% i.e. Nothing. Stop posting irrelevant stuff. Your target is to just fill up threads with useless information..a typical troll.