Partition 70 years on: When tribal warriors invaded Kashmir

[waz]

It was in response to the exaggerated figure quoted below. Where number of displaced people were falsely assumed being massacred

Oh right no problem.

 

[xyxmt]

OK. It reads better.
When Pakistani tribal warriors invaded Kashmir, and failed to capture the capital because they stopped to rape and kill those they had come to rescue from the Hindus.

So I guess this rape epidemic that has taken over India was spread by Pakistanis. Indians now are completing the mission. by the way Indian should not be allowed to even use the word rape.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Tell me another joke Kid, we believe Kashmir is / was our integral part and now tell me how can you say that all future wars would be on Pakistani ground. In case you are talking about proxy wars then let me know you are declaring your own motherland terrorist because on terrorist and terror supporting countries doing that for which we are blaming Pakistan since long time but now people like you (retard) and you P.M himself declaring to the world that it is not Pakistan but India who supports terrorism.

In any case stop war mongering and try not to portray India war monger nation because we are not war lords we were and are people of peace never attacked any country check history but accept all invaders and made them Indian with love, compassion and culture.

Just a clarification: this bloke is a middle-aged man, a very senior executive in a marquee finance related organisation. Politically, he is as far right as it is decent to go; at times, we wonder if it is indeed decent, the kinds of far right positions he takes. In terms of personality, he has this utterly deplorable habit of saying the most outrageous things in a very bland tone, and completely throwing the entire discussion off balance. This is not the first time he has used that ghastly convent wisecrack, which can only be described as being in excruciating bad taste, but he is quite incorrigible.

His reference was NOT to proxy war, but the real thing.

He is at the same time supportive of the present PM, and is one of the few Indian members who does so with whom I am on talking terms. This support is inexplicable.

Your last para is only half applicable to him. I leave it to you to deduce which half.

In conclusion, please do not scold me or frown a righteous frown at me; I've been through too much not to be somewhat deadened of sensation by now.

 

[Capt. Vinay Arora (R)]

Just a clarification: this bloke is a middle-aged man, a very senior executive in a marquee finance related organisation. Politically, he is as far right as it is decent to go; at times, we wonder if it is indeed decent, the kinds of far right positions he takes. In terms of personality, he has this utterly deplorable habit of saying the most outrageous things in a very bland tone, and completely throwing the entire discussion off balance. This is not the first time he has used that ghastly convent wisecrack, which can only be described as being in excruciating bad taste, but he is quite incorrigible.

His reference was NOT to proxy war, but the real thing.

He is at the same time supportive of the present PM, and is one of the few Indian members who does so with whom I am on talking terms. This support is inexplicable.

Your last para is only half applicable to him. I leave it to you to deduce which half.

In conclusion, please do not scold me or frown a righteous frown at me; I've been through too much not to be somewhat deadened of sensation by now.

Sir nice to hear from you and bit relaxed that some sane Indians also here, would gave you detailed replied but my above reply was just after a shock how can a person / kid so war monger and live in false fantasy, no doubt we / Indian can gave anyone tooth breaking response but remember response a retaliation, but what he said total outrageous and silly.

I join this forum by God just to show the world that we are not that type what kiddies over here to portray us.

According to history we / Indians never invade any country / nation but subject to be invade but we accept invaders and made them Indians and that is our culture of respect, love and manners.

Regards,

Capt. Vinay (r)

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Sorry, you got your history wrong.

1. Pakistan administered Kashmir broke away due to the Sudhan tribesmen. They received, and sent on their way, the kabailies.
2. Gilgit broke away due to the British traitor, commandant of the Gilgit Scouts, who mutinied, led the Scouts to ambush and massacre the Maharaja's troops, and then led two columns to capture Baltistan, including its capital Skardu, and Kargil, and to besiege Leh.
3. Nothing else was accomplished by the raiders.

OK, would you agree that there's ONE of them? Let's start at some point of agreement, so that you realise what you unleashed on yourselves.

British Traitor? BS!

He was a loyal soldier and a patriot ... he had adopted Gigiti lifestyle and worked for the liberation of th region along with other native officers !

And proud Gilgit Scouts massacred and overthrew british and maharajas troops and ceeded with Pak volunterily in 1948!

You are too biased for a professor!

Not advice. This happened 70 years ago. I was pointing out that the raiders achieved nothing.

As for the attacks, have you seen the dates? And what happened in the Rann of Kutch?

Lastly, are you aware that staying independent was not an option for the princes? And that this dated from 1931?

With all due respect, I deal with historical facts, not with emotional breast-beating.

The raiders achieved alot!

It was the bastard Gen Gracey who delayed supplies from reaching the Mujahideen and Pak troops... among other actions... a traitor to the state of Pakistan which he served!

Yeah..you mean you deal with Indian distoretd vesion of history?
the people who have deleted taj Mahal?
I deal with real history, not psycho Indian version.

According to indians;

Liberation of GB & Azad Kashmir is bad because Maharaja was massacring kashmiris with indian state support (aswell as indian princely states).

But police action and subsequent rape of hyderabad by indian army in “Police Operation” was okay.

Paks tribesmen liberating kashmir (revolting to join Pak) is bad but invasions of Junagarh and Manavdar are okay even if their rulers ceeded to Pakistan!

“Hum karien to balatkar—- tum karo tou chamatkar”..

 

[Capt. Vinay Arora (R)]

“Hum karien to balatkar—- tum karo tou chamatkar”..

Stop watching Bollywood movies even they invade so much inside you that you have to use Bollywood language.
Sincerely an advice since not only you distorted history but also your own mother tongue Urdu, If you think so?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Without contesting your principled stand, which I admire at the level of ideals without supporting the objectives, one matter of fact needs to be placed before you.

The raiders were not randomly assembled tribesmen carrying their own arms. They were demobbed ex-servicemen to whom were issued the surplus arms that came to Pakistan's share of the division of assets. It was not at all a spontaneous tribal uprising in defence of the faith; it was, as happened again and again and again in the future, a carefully planned action of the Pakistan Army, carried out under the noses of the British. I would like to think that they were unaware of what was going on under their noses, but the actions of Alexander Brown shows the protective and nurturing attitude of the British towards Pakistan.

The 'little empire game' was certainly being played, but on behalf of Pakistan and for her benefit.

Tribesmen assembled after witnessing the burning villages which could be seen from the hills of Murree!

The stories of a million kashmiris who migrated to Jhelum valley!
All this resulted in a jihad!

The state of Pak at most gave them 300 condemned rifles from an ill equipped Pak Armys stock... And that too thanks to a Pashtun Officer — a major!
Tribesmen on their way to Kashmir;

Stop watching Bollywood movies even they invade so much inside you that you have to use Bollywood language.
Sincerely an advice since not only you distorted history but also your own mother tongue Urdu, If you think so?

Im only quoting your own dialogue to describe your hypocrisy!

As for Bollywood not even close.. its you getting invaded by Urdu... through our music.

And oh my mother tongue isnt urdu but Balochi.

Only thing the tribal invaders achieved was forcing the maharaja to sign instrument of accession and forcing sheikh Abdullah, the most popular leader of his time to align himself with India.. Tribal invaders are the reason we have Kashmir valley today.

He would have done it anyways.

His brutal Genocide of kashmiris only encouraged more revolts and pro Pak protests !

While Abdullah the traitor later got a taste of his own betrayal and died cursing himself!

what are your thought about stopping to loot/rape/kill that gave India time to fly in enough forces to defend sri nagar...
and does any of your extended family talk about 'war booty' as mentioned in the article?

Had Gen Gracey not betrayed Pak and supplies sent to our tribesmen and troops.. indian forces wouldnt have gotten a chance as winter was approaching and all road links to valley would have shut down!

And when it did... our tribesmen n troops bore the brunt..

Even today the most likely route Pak would attack remains Zaffarwal ... which supplies IOK.

 

[Pakistani E]

what are your thought about stopping to loot/rape/kill that gave India time to fly in enough forces to defend sri nagar...
and does any of your extended family talk about 'war booty' as mentioned in the article?

It was wrong to target innocent people. I have my principles that I will not sacrifice regardless of who the perpetrator is.

My grandfather was not involved in any such things. He was an ethnic Kashmiri, trying to take back the land was enough for him. He died a poor but proud man. Didn't see nor get any war booty passed down from him.

 

[livingdead]

It was wrong to target innocent people. I have my principles that I will not sacrifice regardless of who the perpetrator is.

My grandfather was not involved in any such things. He was an ethnic Kashmiri, trying to take back the land was enough for him. He died a poor but proud man. Didn't see nor get any war booty passed down from him.

cool. he has reason to be proud then... if you do the right thing, its not a crime to die poor.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Joe Shearer

Dada,

Thanks for springing to my defence (if it can be called that).

Jarnail sahib has dubbed me a warmonger evidently because I quoted another poster (Acknowledge) who was suggesting that all future wars would be fought on Pakistani territory. A careful reading of my posts on this thread would reveal the correct picture - that my proposed strategy (convent building) was purely a defensive one. There was no suggestion of any offensive action either of the covert or overt one.

I am glad that jarnail sahib has retired from the service and the defences of my beloved Bharat Mata are not in his hands any more. I shudder to think how a person who cant read a thread on PDF correctly, how would he have ever read the situation on a battlefield correct.

Regards

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer

Dada,

Thanks for springing to my defence (if it can be called that).

Umm....there is an English poem, a classic, dedicated to the subject, which, if you permit, I will forward to you privately.

Jarnail sahib has dubbed me a warmonger evidently because I quoted another poster (Acknowledge) who was suggesting that all future wars would be fought on Pakistani territory. A careful reading of my posts on this thread would reveal the correct picture - that my proposed strategy (convent building) was purely a defensive one. There was no suggestion of any offensive action either of the covert or overt one.

I am glad that jarnail sahib has retired from the service and the defences of my beloved Bharat Mata are not in his hands any more. I shudder to think how a person who cant read a thread on PDF correctly, how would he have ever read the situation on a battlefield correct.

Regards

On reading your note, I realised that you had merely quoted somebody; only the bits below the first line were yours.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Joe Shearer

Dada, pls send that poem to me.

Regards