Paris meeting to decide Pakistan’s FATF fate

[Indus Pakistan]

I want Pakistan out of grey list but you are being too optimistic.

Well, we don;t have long to go do we? I expect -

• our position to begin improving
• or even be removed from grey list.
• but no chance of blacklist. Zero.

 

[Riz]

If we blacklisted in FATF.. Chances of Pak nuking endia will be doubled.. We will crushed endia economy within 2 months of issuing warning of possible fallout in subcontinent

 

[Death Professor]

I am 99% sure Pakistan will NOT be blacklisted.

I am 100% sure Pakistan won't be blacklisted.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

dw, i will tag you the thread on 18th.

No problem. We will have a discussion. This is my prediction -

• our position to begin improving
• or even be removed from grey list.
• but no chance of blacklist. Zero.

So tag me guys on 18th.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Well, we don;t have long to go do we? I expect -

• our position to begin improving
• or even be removed from grey list.
• but no chance of blacklist. Zero.

I agree that chances of being black listed are zeros but getting out of grey list won't be easy.

 

[BATMAN]

If it's up to me I would ban the lobbyists, making Pakistanis feel guilty that how my nation ought to fall in line before some beidoune or farsi, at first instance then you gonna hear cries of those made a fortune by raising tall structures and in the gcc. That looted money belongs to my nation.

If this nation is any bit patriot, they will keep any eye on their neighborhood and report any gathering of people other than marriage or death ceremony.
People shall be watchful of the religious fanatics, specially those who regularly travel to war zones in Iraq, Syria, and have undisclosed source of income.
People driving 50 million+ worth car spending 100K on fuel but are neither engineers and neither doctors, must be reported to ISPR.
Never trust regime of Imran Khan, they are complicit.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Who is chairing the meeting this time??? Is it China.???

 

[litman]

You know somewhere deep inside I hope they put us on the list. That may sound unpopular and insane to some, but this uncertainty must end at some point. We are living a lie here. We know that under no circumstances are we entirely going to get along even if this whole list thing got settled. It is always going to be the old we will improvise where our interests meet which in reality never do.

If we deeply analyse our conflict it is not about economy or blacklisting Pakistan. It is about bullying Pakistan into submission. Let me dissect a few major points of contention:

1. Pakistan is geographically an important country. The US/NATO have to rely on Pakistan for their war in Afghanistan. This reliance is like a double edged sword for US/NATO countries. They would rather have a subservient Pakistan that they can walk over without having to make any effort. A Pakistan that doesn't weigh the pros and cons on its side. Basically a yes nodding colony.
2. Pakistan is an Islamic nuclear power. This is obviously the elephant in the room. It is a cardinal sin. The unthinkable. This is reason enough to bully Pakistan into submission.
3. Pakistan China relations. A major thorn in US and Western hegemonic designs. Ever since CPEC came into existence we can guage by malicious Western propaganda how deeply concerned they are about this project and its impact. Once the project has completed it would make Pakistan more self-reliant contrary to Western lies about debt trap colonisation BS. Western nations cannot tolerate more economic freedom and self-reliance for nations they prefer to use as colonies.

add IK's honest and bold speech at UNGA which is also a grave sin. many muslim leaders committed that sin and lost their governments and lives. recent being qaddafi of libya. i am afraid that zionists will fully support mullah diesel in his dharna.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I agree that chances of being black listed are zeros but getting out of grey list won't be easy.

Again and wait and see,but I think we wont get on the blacklist The thing is the Yanks want to balance ties again Indians are nothing to Yanks but being canon fodder for Beijing-DC geopolitical feuds

 

[Mentee]

If this nation is any bit patriot, they will keep any eye on their neighborhood and report any gathering of people other than marriage or death ceremony.
People shall be watchful of the religious fanatics, specially those who regularly travel to war zones in Iraq, Syria, and have undisclosed source of income.
People driving 50 million+ worth car spending 100K on fuel but are neither engineers and neither doctors, must be reported to ISPR.
Never trust regime of Imran Khan, they are complicit.

But who will bell the cat?
Folks been visiting Iraq and syria way before I k came into power so what part of it the khassi tribe is willing to take responsibility. Imo the Pakistani govt must issue an economic advisory about the perils of investing in gcc and other neighbors around us better invest in Pakistan.

 

[Kabira]

Its political but at the same time Pakistan cannot claim to be following international standards to curb terrorism financing and money laundering. Getting out of grey list may take few years.

 

[BATMAN]

Folks been visiting Iraq and syria way before I k came into power so what part of it the khassi tribe is willing to take responsibility. Imo the Pakistani govt must issue an economic advisory about the perils of investing in gcc and other neighbors around us better invest in Pakistan.

GCC is not Iraq and Syria. You need to correct your geography.
While we are talking here of money laundering, hand carried cash without declaring it to state of Pakistan. Or even worst state of Pakistan transferring $ to Iraq and Iran, under dubious trade.
Investment in GCC is no issue here. It's not illegal. Pakistan never will be sanctioned by any international body, for investing in GCC but yes, US and Pakistan's deep state has been deliberately keeping it's eyes closed from the flow of $ in cash to Iraq, Iran from past 3 decades.

In current circumstances, no sane person would visit Iraq /Syria, and if i was a state, i would pick up all those who have visited those two countries in past 15 years.
It's social duty of every Pakistani to report such people to ISPR.

Its political but at the same time Pakistan cannot claim to be following international standards to curb terrorism financing and money laundering. Getting out of grey list may take few years.

Just start offloading $ from the next bus going to Taftan and PIA flights. Only will and courage is required, culprits shall not be allowed to go in sleep mode, they must be apprehended immediately.
State of Pakistan must present the record of remittances received and forex reserves in comparison.
Unfortunately all of state machinery is interested in money trail of Maryam Nawaz grand father but annual laundering of $ billions they don't want to stop or may i say want to continue.

I guess, 5-10 billion $ is laundered annually by allowing hundi business.... responsible state of Pakistan aka politicians.
10-20 billion $ annually received in remittances have no record in forex reserves..... responsible state of Pakistan aka politicians.
5-10 billion $ are laundered by smuggling, port ministry is gold mine.... responsible state of Pakistan aka politicians.
International monitoring agencies are saying situation has hit new heights and IK is doing nothing to counter it. Why should IK care of so many billion $. We can always fool /black mail Arabs and they have always come to our rescue in time of bankruptcy.

 

[Mentee]

GCC is not Iraq and Syria. You need to correct your geography.
While we are talking here of money laundering, hand carried cash without declaring it to state of Pakistan. Or even worst state of Pakistan transferring $ to Iraq and Iran, under dubious trade.
Investment in GCC is no issue here. It's not illegal. Pakistan never will be sanctioned by any international body, for investing in GCC but yes, US and Pakistan's deep state has been deliberately keeping it's eyes closed from the flow of $ in cash to Iraq, Iran from past 3 decades.

In current circumstances, no sane person would visit Iraq /Syria, and if i was a state, i would pick up all those who have visited those two countries in past 15 years.
It's social duty of every Pakistani to report such people to ISPR.



Just start offloading $ from the next bus going to Taftan and PIA flights. Only will and courage is required, culprits shall not be allowed to go in sleep mode, they must be apprehended immediately.
State of Pakistan must present the record of remittances received and forex reserves in comparison.
Unfortunately all of state machinery is interested in money trail of Maryam Nawaz grand father but annual laundering of $ billions they don't want to stop or may i say want to continue.

If it's not illegal then how come our corrupt elite's bad money ended up in gcc? And yeah it's not illegal to invest in any country unless such thing is barred by u. n sanctions. I was just alluding to the hidden charges of doing business and other gimmicks employed by the gcc. It's certain that I as a pakistani would fairly advise my fellow citizens to look both sides of the coin when investing in gcc or Iran or any other country for that matter. And the prospect of investing in gcc doesnt look cool right now.

 

[BATMAN]

If it's not illegal then how come our corrupt elite's bad money ended up in gcc?

Congrats. current regime has listen to your concerns and are contacting GCC for the names of those who have properties in GCC.
Let's see if they manage to catch any money laundering... i guess, mostly they will catch some tax evaders.
I have no shame in saying that problem of current regime is not money laundering but the GCC it self... Iranian puppies are in power and they are finding it difficult to control their emotions. Let them try their best to deal with GCC, in their remaining 3.5 years of dictatorship.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

You know somewhere deep inside I hope they put us on the list. That may sound unpopular and insane to some, but this uncertainty must end at some point. We are living a lie here. We know that under no circumstances are we entirely going to get along even if this whole list thing got settled. It is always going to be the old we will improvise where our interests meet which in reality never do.

If we deeply analyse our conflict it is not about economy or blacklisting Pakistan. It is about bullying Pakistan into submission. Let me dissect a few major points of contention:

1. Pakistan is geographically an important country. The US/NATO have to rely on Pakistan for their war in Afghanistan. This reliance is like a double edged sword for US/NATO countries. They would rather have a subservient Pakistan that they can walk over without having to make any effort. A Pakistan that doesn't weigh the pros and cons on its side. Basically a yes nodding colony.
2. Pakistan is an Islamic nuclear power. This is obviously the elephant in the room. It is a cardinal sin. The unthinkable. This is reason enough to bully Pakistan into submission.
3. Pakistan China relations. A major thorn in US and Western hegemonic designs. Ever since CPEC came into existence we can guage by malicious Western propaganda how deeply concerned they are about this project and its impact. Once the project has completed it would make Pakistan more self-reliant contrary to Western lies about debt trap colonisation BS. Western nations cannot tolerate more economic freedom and self-reliance for nations they prefer to use as colonies.

Exactly. Nobody ever blacklisted Switzerland since they hold the largest amount of laundered money in their banks. Uk and Switzerland also host terrorists like Altaf and Baramdagh Bugti. The Western hypocrisy is clear like a glass.