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Pan-Islamic rally urges Pakistan to liberate Jerusalem

Which war has pakistani military won?

Asked Indian's, they still afraid of us and if any war of India Pakistan break and will go beyond four to six months you will clearly saw the result and everyone know that where result will go which include India
 
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Asked Indian's, they still afraid of us and if any war of India Pakistan break and will go beyond four to six months you will clearly saw the result and everyone know that where result will go which include India


Afraid of you ?? We smacked Bangladesh out of you :guns::guns:
 
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I think its more with the perception of some folks that pak has to take thekka of the sunni world for some reason.
 
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Hut is a ban organization in Pakistan....although it is attracting people by its religious sentiments but it is also widely believed that this organization is supported by international agencies ...i wonder why country like israel allow such rally in their so called heart land..
So what if HT is banned in Pakistan? How is that significant when the likes of MQM, PPP, PML are allowed and set-up to plunder and take the nation to the stone-age? HT being banned in Pakistan simply indicates that our political elite hate HT and want them out of Pakistan, and I don't think anyone wants to endorse the credibility of our ruling elite.

As or being supported by international agencies, on what grounds? What is the evidence? If HT were truly backed by foreign intelligence and government, then they would have already been in power. They've been active since 1953 and have only been met with resistance by states, if not outright aggression in the form of torture, rape, etc. I remember reading in the news a while back how the Uzbek government boiled two HT members alive... Yeah, the facts don't seem to indicate any meaningful support base from governments, otherwise their members wouldn't end up getting jailed, tortured or abducted throughout the Muslim world.

Regarding this rally, it's still ultimately within Palestinian territory and seems to have broad based support from the people of the area. A crack-down by the Palestinian Authorities probably won't go as smoothly considering how they're basically seen by the locals as sell-outs and custodians of Israeli interests.

Anyways, Pakistan does need to free itself (from corruption and foreign influences) before it'd be in a position to help others, no doubt. But that doesn't necessarily take away from the value of what HT is saying. If we are sincere, genuinely sincere, we should make them appeal their case with the evidences... after all, we did give Nawaz Sharif multiple chances.

As for the idea that HT supports TTP, I asked them... They don't. Their stance is that Muslims shouldn't be fighting one another and that the Pak Amy and Pak Taliban need to drop their weapons, and focus on the US interference in their region. Yes, their message cuts at Pakistan, but they also told the tribal elders to expel/isolate anyone calling for fighting against the Pakistan Army.
 
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Afraid of you ?? We smacked Bangladesh out of you :guns::guns:

Chrisitne Fair in her just released book Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War, says that Pakistani's and Pakistani Military's definition of win and defeat is very much different from rest of the world. Ms.Fair says "Pakistan's revisionism persists in regards to its efforts not only to undermine the territorial status-quo in Kashmir but also to undermine India's position in the region and beyond. Pakistan will suffer any number of military defeats in its efforts to do so, but it will not acquiesce to India. This, for the Pakistan Army, is genuine and total defeat". In short, Pakistani's view themselves as being successful as long they are a pain in the rear to India, even when their own rear is being ripped apart. Majority of the posts by Pakistani's, on this issue on this forum, is consistent with this view..
 
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Chrisitne Fair in her just released book Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War, says that Pakistani's and Pakistani Military's definition of win and defeat is very much different from rest of the world. Ms.Fair says "Pakistan's revisionism persists in regards to its efforts not only to undermine the territorial status-quo in Kashmir but also to undermine India's position in the region and beyond. Pakistan will suffer any number of military defeats in its efforts to do so, but it will not acquiesce to India. This, for the Pakistan Army, is genuine and total defeat". In short, Pakistani's view themselves as being successful as long they are a pain in the rear to India, even when their own rear is being ripped apart. Majority of the posts by Pakistani's, on this issue on this forum, is consistent with this view..

Pakistan has successfully dashed Indian dreams of becoming the hegemon of S.Asia, that is no less feat without firing a bullet.
 
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Pakistan has successfully dashed Indian dreams of becoming the hegemon of S.Asia, that is no less feat without firing a bullet.
India never wanted to be a hegemon. Whereas, India has successfully thwarted Pakistani dreams of becoming the leader of the Muslim ummah by cutting it into two and driving back the jihadi forces into Pakistani territory and keeping Pakistan engaged internally.
 
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Pakistan does have one of the most powerful militaries in the world

Both Israel and Pakistan possess one of the top ten most powerful military prowess in the world armed with nuclear strike package.

Its not Pakistan vs Sri Lanka you know.

and if I am not mistaken, the most powerful military in the Muslim world ?:undecided:

Turkey.

Moreover, even Egyptian land forces possess superior weapons to Pakistani land forces..but lack experience, tactics, and discipline of ours.

Saudi Air Force itself has around 200 F-15s and couple of squadrons of Eurofighters...

Pakistan is "down" for last couple of decades now...We are just maintaining our strategic power-balance with india to keep indians in check. Beyond that, we aren't much.

But when the economy is back on track...and all the activities start again..and war in Afghanistan is over...you'll see Pakistan's re-energized military prowess then..Inshallah.

No some pilots volunteered to fly against Israel.. they were flying maybe RJAF planes and they created a myth out of it

There isn't any myth pal.

Pakistani pilots engaged Israelis at different times (67 and 73), over different locations (Syria, Egypt etc), under different circumstances, and with different aircrafts involved (Miraages, Migs, etc)...

But every single time Pakistani pilots engaged Israelis even despite all of these variables, the result was: Pakistani pilots shot down the Israeli pilots.

:azn:

4 kills are confirmed. Even international data-base of air-wars (ACIG) has these four kills registered in it. And Israelis have not disputed this either (in which case, it would not have made it to ACIG in the first place)..

PAF and its pilots' record is most supreme in entire Central-South-West Asia region.
 
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Chrisitne Fair in her just released book Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War, says that Pakistani's and Pakistani Military's definition of win and defeat is very much different from rest of the world. Ms.Fair says "Pakistan's revisionism persists in regards to its efforts not only to undermine the territorial status-quo in Kashmir but also to undermine India's position in the region and beyond. Pakistan will suffer any number of military defeats in its efforts to do so, but it will not acquiesce to India. This, for the Pakistan Army, is genuine and total defeat". In short, Pakistani's view themselves as being successful as long they are a pain in the rear to India, even when their own rear is being ripped apart. Majority of the posts by Pakistani's, on this issue on this forum, is consistent with this view..

Interesting.

Pakistan's military core does look at things in a different manner probably. Take for example Afghan war.

Any other nation would have 'surrendered' to the Soviet Union, entered the 'Soviet bloc', and would have enjoyed the benefits. Afghanistan got run over by soviets? who cares? Each nation protect its own interests, isn't it?

Pakistan's involvement in Afghan war brought millions of refugees, Islamic extremism, and drug wars to Pakistani cities and we haven't recovered since.

But here's another way of looking at it.

Pakistan took the initiative and confronted the Soviet might in the mountain lands of Afghanistan (later U.S and Arabs joined in with their help, funding, weapons etc)... The war proved a critical nail in Soviet's coffin and communism fell...Guess what happen?

And after fall of Soviet ...Islam further gain 4,000,000 sq km territory and whole Central Asia also became "Muslim-Majority" , Mashallah... Tens of millions of Muslims were free from communist persecution. Thousands of mosques were opened inside Russian mainland, let alone in wider Central Asia. Global Islamic Civilisation extended even further globally and established itself in all corners of planet Earth. So much so that Islamic Civilisation established itself in the heartlands of West..with tens of millions Islamic people establishing thousands of thriving communities all across West with their own unique culture, religion, and identity.

In this regard, Pakistan played its role of being an "Islamic state"..It sacrificed some of its interests for the interest of wider, global Islamic World and Islamic peoples..It is a state different from normal interest-based nation-states. We took punches for sure..we brought devastation in our own land..but the 'gain' was way larger, way more global and permanent in nature (Inshallah!)...What we did and what followed was of historical value. Yeah, the 'benefits' weren't for Pakistanis specifically..but then again, Pakistan see itself not only as "Pakistan" but also a part of wider, global civilisation/world linked-together by Islamic Civilizational-cultural-social force and reality.

So Pakistan Military, being an ideological military as your book claims, play by a completely different rules. It goes for something bigger than itself. To most people, its decisions look irrational..but it doesn't go by the accepted 'rationale' to begin with. Probably because Pakistan isn't a normal state like others..and that is why is a pain in the *** of everyone since nobody can understand/predict Pakistan and its psychological frame-work.

Israel is kinda similar. Unpredictable and pain in the ***. And its military is also an ideological military....
 
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