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Palestinians teaching their kids the way to political failure

This forum is totally infested with Zionist Hasbara. German, Dutch, Indian, Chinese, Iranian, Turkish, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Arab Zionists.

You forgot the Australians and Canadians...

How cute. Their love (bordering on worship) for Zionist terror and Zionism knows no boundaries!

You are a bad poster boy for the Palestinian cause, driving people in the Israeli camp with your bias.

I watch the reaction of the rocket attacks and Israeli retaliations from both sides and I think by myself...Palestinians should act smarter when it comes to PR, they can learn a thing or two from the Israeli's.

In front of the camera, you see an Israeli in a suit, clean shaven, speaking calmly and in fluent English giving, a statement with no vile words... On a good today in a different setting, I could probably drink a beer with him and talk about the wonders of life...

Whereas on the Palestinian side, you see a man, with an unclean beard in strange clothes, shouting to the press in Arabic, screaming to the journalists how his organization is going to kill as much Zionists as possible. If I were to be alone with him, we would be probably discussing about in how many different ways he could kill me, that's the impression you get.

So it's not only about ground realities, it's also about perception.
 
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Funny how you oh-so-anxiously decide that ItamarRose is some sort of household name in Israel. He's a fringe, underground activist. The vast majority of Israeli outlets are not like him; they are unnuanced in their worship of the army and their demonization of Palestinians and other Arabs. Present me Hamas and I'll present you 10 that sound more like the Jerusalem Post. Speak of ItamarRose, and I can show LatmaTV. Don't think ordinary people, including children, can become so flippant in their genocidal contempt for another people without complicity of establishment institutions, including the press and the political caste.

Do that, I would also like to see what Israeli's show their people on mainstream television channels with regards to hatred against the Palestinians. We all know the images of Mickey Mouse as a Jew hunter, I would like to know if there is an equivalent of that on the Israeli side.
 
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Do that, I would also like to see what Israeli's show their people on mainstream television channels with regards to hatred against the Palestinians. We all know the images of Mickey Mouse as a Jew hunter, I would like to know if there is an equivalent of that on the Israeli side.

You assume Israeli culture is as scrutinized as the Palestinian one. But that isn't true. Thus, even though one very often hears of Palestinian culture "worshipping" death, seldom do we hear that Israelis and their culture Israel's idolize and idealize violence, even if that is the truth.

I do not have much on Israeli TV. I'm more familiar with Israel's printed press, and in it it's very easy to find editorials and opinion pieces explicitly calling for a carnage of Arab civilians.

Anyway, this is what passes for humour in Israeli TV.



If such unwarranted bile can be spilled at Christians, who are Israel's benefactors, and Africans, whose presence in Israel only recently became a political issue, one can only wonder what is said there about their long-time enemies, Muslims and Arabs.
 
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Do that, I would also like to see what Israeli's show their people on mainstream television channels with regards to hatred against the Palestinians. We all know the images of Mickey Mouse as a Jew hunter, I would like to know if there is an equivalent of that on the Israeli side.

You won't find it, because it doesn't exist.
 
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For a brief period of time we lived in a neighborhood of Jeddah heavily populated by pallys - around Jameah district.

Harassment, taunting and arrogance seems to be part of their upbringing. There is a strong evidence of typical careless-ness and disregards on behalf of parents! Cant say the same for all because some of the best and well mannered Arab I have met in KSA also happen to be Palestinians.

And God help those soldiers, had I be in their place I would go crazy and start shooting!

Dur fittay mu tera. Lakh wali lanat.

This forum is totally infested with Zionist Hasbara. German, Dutch, Indian, Chinese, Iranian, Turkish, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Arab Zionists. How cute. Their love (bordering on worship) for Zionist terror and Zionism knows no boundaries!

Those Pakistanis are a very small group and are a shame for all of us.
 
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You assume Israeli culture is as scrutinized as the Palestinian one. But that isn't true. Thus, even though one very often hears of Palestinian culture "worshipping" death, seldom do we hear that Israelis and their culture Israel's idolize and idealize violence, even if that is the truth.

I do not have much on Israeli TV. I'm more familiar with Israel's printed press, and in it it's very easy to find editorials and opinion pieces explicitly calling for a carnage of Arab civilians.

Anyway, this is what passes for humour in Israeli TV.



If such unwarranted bile can be spilled at Christians, who are Israel's benefactors, and Africans, whose presence in Israel only recently became a political issue, one can only wonder what is said there about their long-time enemies, Muslims and Arabs.


Israeli have often come under fire for their crude sense of humor - and by no means I am trying to defend them here however there are plenty of disbelievers when it comes to crucifixion story and its not like the first time religion is being ridiculed on TV - yet still far from a typical hate propaganda we have come to expect on certain channels.

In any case the presenter makes it all worth :D

This forum is totally infested with Zionist Hasbara. German, Dutch, Indian, Chinese, Iranian, Turkish, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Arab Zionists. How cute. Their love (bordering on worship) for Zionist terror and Zionism knows no boundaries!

Same can be said for Iranian trolls of Hassan Nasrullah here!
 
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Anti-Semitism still a roadblock to peace

IT would be a hard heart that could not feel sympathy for Palestinian national aspirations, if the objective is the establishment of a state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel. Nonetheless, it remains a formidably difficult task to accommodate the competing interests of these two national movements in the tiny chunk of territory in question. (The size of Israel and the West Bank combined is only about one-ninth the area of Victoria).

However, that challenge is made even more daunting by the torrent of virulent anti-Semitism emanating from the Palestinian Authority and bodies it controls. These utterances should be deeply alarming to anyone with an even passing familiarity with where the worst excesses of dehumanising anti-Semitism can lead.

An organisation named Palestinian Media Watch does an outstanding job of bringing attention to what the PA and related organisations are saying in Arabic, as opposed to the usually more temperate comments made in English for the world outside the Middle East.

An astonishing part of PA ideology is the constant use of the notoriously forged document of a century ago, the so-called Protocols of the Elders of Zion. For the PA, this is presented as proof that Jews are running an international conspiracy to conquer and divide the world and to portray Jews and Israelis as inherently evil. The moderator at a Fatah ceremony refers to "our war with the descendants of apes and pigs". A PA magazine for youth has a young woman conversing with Hitler in a dream, who says, "Yes, I killed them so you would all know that they are a nation which spreads destruction all over the world."

A PA television narrator describes Jews praying at their most holy site, the Western Wall, as "sin and *****". A PA daily paper marks the Jewish religious festival of Passover by calling it "the holiday of the apes". On another PA TV show, an artist displays his work: three ogres wearing the Star of David impaling children on a bayonet and devouring them one by one. Distressingly crude, racist caricatures of Jews/Israelis are published with PA approval.

Sadly there is much more. A senior Palestinian academic describes Jews as "parasitic worms", while a PA official (believe it or not, from the Ministry of Religious Trusts and Religious Affairs) talked of "the Jews - these pigs on the face of the earth". The official PA daily cites a religious teacher as describing Judaism as a "distorted, corrupted, falsified religion". PA TV broadcasts this comment: "Listen, this is a disease by means of which Allah is testing us; it's called 'Jews'."

And then there is Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls the Gaza Strip and which is in a declared partnership with the PA. It has signed up to every vile anti-Semitic calumny history has to offer. Its charter calls for the destruction of the state of Israel.

To be critical of Israel and its policies is not, of course, in itself anti-Semitic. PA opposition to many Israeli policies and practices is no surprise. But the PA must be persuaded by the many supporters of the Palestinian cause that, if it is sincere in its declared pursuit of a two-state solution, it must have the courage to stop its poisonous, racist characterisations of Jews. To allow these obscenities to continue must further undermine the confidence of the only negotiating partner that could actually deliver a state for Palestinians - Israel. Not to take such action would confirm that the PA has joined with those (headed by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Iran) whose objective is to threaten, demonise, delegitimise, even obliterate Israel, but who refuse to engage in the hard and even dangerous work of negotiation and compromise.

There are certainly problems in the reverse direction. In August there was a brutal attack by a mob of Jewish youths on a young Palestinian in Jerusalem. In 2010, a group of rabbis issued a statement arguing for a ban, on religious grounds, on the sale or rental of houses or land to non-Jews. What was instructive in these cases, however, was the response of Israeli political leaders and the wider society.

In the former case, the attack was condemned by political leaders and schools were directed to take up the issues with students. The rabbis found their position forcefully rejected by the Israeli President, Prime Minister, other rabbis and the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial foundation. If the PA would learn from these responses, it could only improve the atmosphere for negotiations.

Ian Wilcock was Australia's ambassador to Israel and informal representative to the Palestinian Authority, 1997-99.

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Except for the bold parts, where I disagree, a very insightful assessment:

The Poisonous Prize

November 14, 2012: The Palestinians have been suffering defeats for over 60 years. But now they appear to have a real victory on their hands. Taking some key advice from their former Soviet patrons, the PLO reformed their educational system over the last few decades to create an alternate reality for all the children going through it. In this fantasy world, Israel does not exist. Oh, Israel is there for all to see but in Palestinian schools the maps of the area do not show Israel. The Israelis are depicted as bad people, who steal from the virtuous Palestinians and are assisted by other evil people, like the United States. Everything bad that happens, including the rampant corruption of Palestinian politicians, is blamed on Israel. At the same time, Palestinian terrorists who have killed Israeli women and children are hailed as heroes and children are encouraged to be terrorists, especially suicidal ones. It’s not just the terrorists who get this treatment. Yasser Arafat, who led the effort to create the Palestine people and the fantasy Palestine taught in schools, died of apparent natural causes three years ago. But now Palestinian children are being taught that Arafat was poisoned by Israelis.

Palestinian media, both Fatah and Hamas controlled, occasionally undertake similar media campaigns to arouse popular anger against Israel. One that gets used periodically is the charge that Israeli plans to destroy the al Aqsa mosque. The problem here is that there have never been any Israeli plans to destroy al Aqsa. But Palestinian media managers know that the public has a poor memory and can be fed the same lie periodically and convincingly.

The al Aqsa complex is built on the site of two Jewish temples. The last one was destroyed by the Romans nearly two thousand years ago. Israel has always provided security for al Aqsa, but the Palestinians find it convenient to keep alive unfounded fears that Israel will, at any moment, destroy al Aqsa and rebuild their temple. This is what some religious extremists (Jewish and Christian) want and one reason for the tight Israeli security around al Aqsa (which is otherwise controlled by Moslem religious authorities). This fear mongering is a big deal among the Palestinians but generally ignored, or simply unknown, outside Israel.

The numerous al Aqsa scare stories in the Palestinian media (replete with cartoons straight out of similar 1930s Nazi propaganda) are rarely recognized as a reason why Israel and the Palestinians cannot negotiate a peace deal. The basic problem is that, for the last two generations, it has been Palestinian policy to teach their children, and anyone that will listen to these Arab language screeds, that Israel has no right to exist. The kids get indoctrinated with anti-Semitic propaganda at a young age and as adults they continue to be bombarded by anti-Semitic propaganda.

Thus most Palestinians (unless they were educated outside of the Middle East) take it for granted that any peace deal with Israel is just a tactical move in the effort to eventually destroy Israel and drive all Jews from the Middle East. People outside the Middle East have a hard time comprehending this attitude. But it is very real and can be seen on Palestinian web sites (not so much on the non-Arabic language ones, although even there the anti-Semitic line is leaking through more and more). Israel goes through the motions of negotiating, to keep its Western allies and trading partners happy, but few Jews in Israel see any chance of real peace with the Palestinians, given the current attitudes within the Palestinian community.

That’s because Palestinian attitudes towards the non-existence of Israel goes beyond teaching their kids that Israel doesn’t even exist. The children are taught that what the rest of the world calls Israel is really just a bunch of Zionists illegally occupying Arab land. While Arabs love to call Israelis "Nazis", it is the Arab world that is the true heir to the Adolph Hitler's vision of how the world should be. A major weapon in the Palestinian arsenal is anti-Semitism. For a long time, even before World War II, the racial hatred tactic was particularly popular in the Arab world. This was partly the result of Islamic radicalism, which pushed hatred of all non-*******, not just Jews. But as more Jews began moving into Jerusalem and surrounding areas in the late 19th century, more of the Moslem racial animosity was directed at Jews.

This was not the usual ethnic animosity found in Europe but something more in line with the extreme violence of the Nazis. In fact, during World War II, the Nazis were very popular in the Arab world (and still are). The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (the highest Islamic official in the area) spent the war in Berlin (to avoid arrest by the British). Iraq, which had become independent during the 1930s, declared itself a German ally in 1941 (and was promptly invaded and re-conquered by three British divisions, before the Germans could get many troops into the territory of their new ally). After World War II the Arab language media continued Nazi-grade anti-Semitism. The Arabs had enough sense to tone down this race hatred, and pro-Nazi, line in their non-Arab language media.

Over the last few decades, and especially since the end of the Cold War, many Westerners have adopted the anti-Semitic angle in denouncing Israeli attempts to defend itself against Palestinian terrorism. Such self-defense measures are now seriously discussed as "war crimes" in the West. To the Arabs the very existence of Israel is a "war crime," but the Arabs have been unable to do much beyond fanaticizing about destroying Israel and teaching a new generation that even the historical facts of Jews in the Middle East are lies. Now they have many political activists and progressive thinkers in the West fanaticizing along with them. Tangible gains from this ethnic hatred strategy have been scant so far. Many in the West are appalled by it, and the leadership in most Western nations does not buy into it. But much of the popular media does and incidents of anti-Semitism, including assault and murder, are on the increase in Europe. Arabs see their anti-Semitism strategy as a success, as Arabs tend to take solace in symbolism, given their lack of substantial progress in destroying Israel. So every anti-Semitic attack in Europe is a victory, as is every European politician who denounces Israel for non-existent war crimes, or ignores the very real atrocities that the Arabs commit against each other. To many Arabs, living the fantasy is easier than dealing with reality.

The Palestinians believe that time, and God, are on their side. Meanwhile, they use negotiations to gain whatever small advantages they can. The ultimate goal, as is plainly displayed on official Palestinian web sites and official documents, is the expulsion of all Jews from what the United Nations erroneously calls “Israel.” While not all Palestinian students believe the lies, enough do to keep the others quiet or succeeding in fleeing to the West.

Winning: The Poisonous Prize
 
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