Palestinians give Egypt mediators Gaza truce demands

[Falcon29]

Palestinians give Egypt mediators Gaza truce demands | Maan News Agency

Cairo (AFP) - A Palestinian delegation including Hamas agreed joint demands Sunday to present to Egyptian mediators in Cairo for a truce with Israel, including an end to the Gaza blockade, officials said.

The delegation, which includes members of president Mahmud Abbas's Palestinian Authority and Gaza's Hamas rulers, will meet the Egyptian mediators later on Sunday.

Cairo will then relay the demands to Israel, which baulked at sending negotiators after accusing Hamas of breaching a 72-hour truce moments after it began on Friday.

The Palestinians, who met earlier on Sunday to hammer out a joint position, agreed on "a ceasefire; Israeli troop withdrawal from Gaza; the end of the siege of Gaza and opening its border crossings," said Maher al-Taher, a member of the delegation.

The Palestinian demands also include fishing rights up to 12 nautical miles off Gaza's coast and the release of Palestinian prisoners demanded by Hamas and Abbas, said Taher, a senior official with the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

A Hamas official confirmed the agreement, saying: "These are the main points, but they must be discussed with the Egyptians. We hope things go smoothly."

Cairo, a traditional broker in Palestinian-Israeli conflicts, has moved to isolate Hamas on its eastern border after the Egyptian military overthrew the Islamist government last year.

Egypt had proposed an unconditional ceasefire followed by talks between Israel and Hamas early into the 27-day conflict, which has claimed the lives of more than 1,800 Palestinians, most of them civilians, according to an emergency services spokesman in Gaza.

Since the fighting began, 66 Israelis have been killed, 64 of them soldiers.

Hamas had rejected the initial Egyptian initiative, saying it was not consulted and that that plan did not guarantee an end to Israel's eight-year blockade of Gaza.

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Don't forget, Egypt immediately made an accusation yet today we found out Israel completely deceived the world. There was no such thing as an captured soldier nor violation from Palestinian side. It was an Israeli violation.

Here Egypt and other apologists on this forum. These are joint demands. Meaning all Palestinians demanded them. Yet, Egypt is only relaying them to Israel knowing Israel will reject this. No pressure from Egypt, no support from Egypt. This is more of a role which wants no involvement because it prefers it that way.

And because Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan and Egypt want to run things their way.

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[Falcon29]

Difference between citizens and regime:

Egyptian scholars issue pro-Gaza statement | Maan News Agency

JERUSALEM (Ma’an) – Amidst unprecedented Egyptian support to Israel in its military offensive against Hamas, a group of Egyptian scholars issued a statement Saturday declaring support to the Gaza Strip.

More than 60 scholars including academics, writers, poets, artistic figures among others signed the statement which described the Israeli military offensive as a “criminal war of genocide” against civilian residents of the Gaza Strip.

“We, the undersigned Egyptian innovators, journalists and intellectuals announce full solidarity with our Palestinian brothers in Gaza against the criminal war of genocide which the army of Zionists is committing against civilian residents in the Gaza Strip.

Thousands of martyrs have fell so far and others have been injured the majority of whom are elderly people, women and children marking an ugly breach of international conventions which incriminate the excessive use of force during armed conflicts especially against unarmed civilians.”

The statement greeted the Palestinian resistance for the courageous fighters from all factions showed as they “confronted with limited capabilities the Zionist arsenal with its state-of-the art weapons of destruction provided by the West and the United States to the Zionist entity.”

The signatories urged Egyptian official and unofficial circles to provide as much assistance as possible to the Gaza Strip to help the Palestinian people in the face of the Israeli aggression.

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Egypt, KSA, Jordan, UAE you are doing the wrong thing. Stop this path. Try to remember that God is observing all of this. Don't betray the dearest cause of the Arab/Muslim world. Listen to your citizens.

 

[Falcon29]

@Mahmoud_EGY @Skorpian @Dino R. @Frogman

Your opinions? Usually the frogman guy comes to attack me for criticizing Egypt's position.

 

[Frogman]

Don't forget, Egypt immediately made an accusation yet today we found out Israel completely deceived the world. There was no such thing as an captured soldier nor violation from Palestinian side. It was an Israeli violation.

Egypt did not accuse Hamas of breaking the ceasefire, if you have an official statement proving otherwise provide it.

These are joint demands. Meaning all Palestinians demanded them. Yet, Egypt is only relaying them to Israel knowing Israel will reject this. No pressure from Egypt, no support from Egypt. This is more of a role which wants no involvement because it prefers it that way.

Egypt can not force anyone to agree to a ceasefire, it could not force Hamas to do so and now it can not force Israel to agree. Israel would only agree once its military and political objectives are accomplished, the same with Hamas, once its political objectives are fulfilled it will agree to a ceasefire. Egypt does not have any means by which it can pressure Israel or Hamas
to accept (nor does the wider international community). The role of mediator is a voluntary one, if pushed the Egyptian state
could have washed its hands of the whole situation entirely, preferring to only let aid and injured out rather than actively trying
to come to a deal, this would have hurt Hamas and Gaza a whole lot more.

As for support

The source and another Egyptian official said that since the start of the current conflict, Egypt has allowed 2,800 tonnes of medicine and medical items, 800 tonnes of food, 10 ambulances and 49 tonnes of dates through the Rafah crossing on the Egypt- Gaza border.

They said in that period, 3,100 patients and 1,200 Palestinians with foreign passports as well as 2,000 Egyptians and Palestinian holders of Egyptian passports were allowed into Egypt through the crossing.

1000+ tons of the aid mentioned in the article was from the Egyptian administration (when its own citizens require a lot of these necessities). It is also actively trying to restore electricity to the strip. Egypt increases electricity to Gaza: official| Reuters

And because Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan and Egypt want to run things their way.

Yeah, sure.

 

[Falcon29]

Egypt did not accuse Hamas of breaking the ceasefire, if you have an official statement proving otherwise provide it.

Right in the AFP article above you.

The role of mediator is a voluntary one, if pushed the Egyptian state
could have washed its hands of the whole situation entirely, preferring to only let aid and injured out rather than actively trying
to come to a deal, this would have hurt Hamas and Gaza a whole lot more.

You just went on a whole stupid tirade to make it like the public is asking for difficult tasks.

It's not difficult to say we support the Palestinian conditions and will stand by the Palestinian people.

It's not difficult to say we won't allow Israeli delegations into Egypt if they don't take these matters seriously.

It's not difficult to ask your allies to even relay a message to the United States to pressure Israel to end its assault and commit to an a conditional truce which will leave this region more peaceful for the long term.

Is it?

Nobody from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE or Egypt have issued demands against Israel. Not a singe demand, just their crocidile tears that they sympathize with the Palestinian people while blaming their people for the Israeli assault.

All their actions have been anti-Palestinian. All of them affect the Palestinians greatly.

 

[Falcon29]

What does that represent ? new state solution for Egypt Christian?

@Hazzy997

What is Christian about it? I think it just has to do with the Egyptian army. I'm pretty sure he told me he was born Muslim but is agnostic.

 

[Frogman]

Cairo will then relay the demands to Israel, which baulked at sending negotiators after accusing Hamas of breaching a 72-hour truce moments after it began on Friday.

The statement refers to Israel, not Egypt. Israel pulled its diplomatic delegation from visiting Cairo to negotiate with the Pali delegation after it accused Hamas of breaking the ceasefire.

You just went on a whole stupid tirade to make it like the public is asking for difficult tasks.

I take it you are an expert on diplomatic efforts which get opponents involved in a vicious war to stop fighting? If one side simply does not want to accept a ceasefire, the ceasefire will not happen, it's as simple as that. Whatever the demands
or conditions are irrelevant.

It's not difficult to say we support the Palestinian conditions and will stand by the Palestinian people.

The 2012 ceasefire framework and the current framework involve lifting the siege. The administration has already condemned Israels assault on Gaza. Egypt's success as a mediator depends on its ability to stay or appear neutral, if it is unable to do
so then it will not be taken seriously by the Israelis or Hamas, just like Qatar.

It's not difficult to say we won't allow Israeli delegations into Egypt if they don't take these matters seriously.

It is when you're trying to broker a ceasefire between the Israelis and Palestinians. If you exclude one side from the procedures (even if they aren't serious) it will appear as if you are not neutral.

It's not difficult to ask your allies to even relay a message to the United States to pressure Israel to end its assault and commit to an a conditional truce which will leave this region more peaceful for the long term.

Yes, because the Israelis have been incredibly receptive to Kerry's ceasefire proposal and he hasn't been attacked in the Israeli media and by Netenyahou himself for his efforts.

Is it?

It is.

What does that represent ? new state solution for Egypt Christian?


Source: Palestinians give Egypt mediators Gaza truce demands

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[Falcon29]

The statement refers to Israel, not Egypt. Israel pulled its diplomatic from visiting Cairo to negotiate with the Pali delegation after it accused Hamas of breaking the ceasefire.

Egypt prevented Palestinians from entering and cancelled the talks. They resumed them later.

I take it you are an expert on diplomatic efforts which get opponents involved in a vicious war to stop fighting? If one side simply does not want to accept a ceasefire, the ceasefire will not happen, it's as simple as that. Whatever the demands

Again, you're putting words in my mouth and blowing it out of proportion.

The 2012 ceasefire framework and the current framework involve lifting the siege.

No it didn't. Today's 'framework' is not framework. Just the demands coming from the Palestinians. Unless you have a source which suggests otherwise.

It is when you're trying to broker a ceasefire between the Israelis and Palestinians. If you exclude one side from the procedures (even if they aren't serious) it will appear as if you are not neutral.

No it wouldn't, not at this stage.

Who said we have to be neutral? Prophet Muhammad(SAW)?

Yes, because the Israelis have been incredibly receptive to Kerry's ceasefire proposal and he hasn't been attacked in the Israeli media and by Netenyahou himself for his efforts.

Kerry's proposal had nothing to do with Egypt. Egypt/Israel were both upset at it and he went back against it.

It is.

By your standards, not by a Muslim's.

 

[VelocuR]

Thanks @Frogman @Hazzy997

 

[Frogman]

Egypt prevented Palestinians from entering and cancelled the talks. They resumed them later.

So? Israel pulled their delegation before the talks, how can there be talks with only one side present?

Again, you're putting words in my mouth and blowing it out of proportion.

No, it is exactly in proportion. Israel is involved in an offensive which has cost them 60 or more soldiers and has cost the Palis over 2000 dead and many more injured, the Israelis are refusing to back down, while Hamas and Palis wants an out due to the heavy toll. Considering this, it is extremely difficult, Israel will take negotiations seriously when they believe they have to look
for a way out of the conflict.

No it didn't. Today's 'framework' is not framework. Just the demands coming from the Palestinians. Unless you have a source which suggests otherwise.

I'm not talking about the demands made today. I'm talking about the proposal which you said Egypt has amended to coincide with more Pali demands.

No it wouldn't, not at this stage.

Even more at this stage. Completely alienating Israel will not work if you want to bring about a ceasefire which includes lifting the siege.

Who said we have to be neutral? Prophet Muhammad(SAW)?

No, logic. Who will trust a mediator which is biased towards one particular side of the conflict, would Hamas trust the US to take over the mediation? No. Would Israel trust one of Hamas' alllies? No.

Kerry's proposal had nothing to do with Egypt. Egypt/Israel were both upset at it and he went back against it.

That doesn't matter. What you said about about relaying a message to the US in order to put pressure on the Israelis simply won't work when the representative of the US (John Kerry) is being slated by the Israeli administration and media. The only effective way of putting pressure on the Israeli administration is if their own constituents were against this war, but that isn't the case.

By your standards, not by a Muslim's.

What in the hell does that even mean, and what does the ins and outs of diplomacy have to do with religion.

 

[Falcon29]

So? Israel pulled their delegation before the talks, how can there be talks with only one side present?

It means Egypt accepted Israel's narrative and did not question at all. Later we found out Hamas was truthful and Israel deceived the world. But, that did not upset Egypt did it.

No, it is exactly in proportion. Israel is involved in an offensive which has cost them 60 or more soldiers and has cost the Palis over 2000 dead and many more injured, the Israelis are refusing to back down, while Hamas and Palis wants an out due to the heavy toll. Considering this, it is extremely difficult, Israel will take negotiations seriously when they believe they have to look
for a way out of the conflict.

This just goes back to my previous post. You have dumbed down what the Arab world is capable of and have rendered it an taboo to even consider any support on the lines of support for Syrian opposition for example. Or better yet, support to Sisi to defend him from international scrutiny.

I'm not talking about the demands made today. I'm talking about the proposal which you said Egypt has amended to coincide with more Pali demands.

Show me a source in which Egypt put forth a conditional cease fire.

Even more at this stage. Completely alienating Israel will not work if you want to bring about a ceasefire which includes lifting the siege.

No one is asking us to 'alienate' Israel.

No, logic. Who will trust a mediator which is biased towards one particular side of the conflict, would Hamas trust the US to take over the mediation? No. Would Israel trust one of Hamas' alllies? No.

Kerry brought forth a reasonable proposal. Egypt and Israel were upset it with it. There are no excuses for that. Since Egypt claims to support anything that brings this conflict to an end.

That doesn't matter. What you said about about relaying a message to the US in order to put pressure on the Israelis simply won't work when the representative of the US (John Kerry) is being slated by the Israeli administration and media.

Yes it can, even if marginal, it's a start. Which would get Israel thinking of the long term. How will Arabs be ten years from now if we continue this way? That's how Israeli's think, they think ahead and won't risk jeopardizing ties with the Arab world.

What in the hell does that even mean, and what does the ins and outs of diplomacy have to do with religion.

It means that you have highly differing standards in comparison to the vast majority of the Arab public. The Arab public hold to their set standards. They reflect upon it. You don't, it makes you different and your must recognize the reality even if you disagree it because you got a C+ in Biology and have become an arrogant atheist who just approaches everything with the so called 'logical' method.

 

[Adir-mz]

sisi got my respect he told Hamas that their is no opposition for turkey and Qatar.

 

[Frogman]

It means Egypt accepted Israel's narrative and did not question at all. Later we found out Hamas was truthful and Israel deceived the world. But, that did not upset Egypt did it.

The narrative of either side is irrelevant, and it wouldn't have made a difference who broke the ceasefire to Egypt. Egypt is a mediator not an international judge, it can't hold either side to account nor pass any judgement, it can only act as the go between in order to come to a ceasefire.

This just goes back to my previous post. You have dumbed down what the Arab world is capable of and have rendered it an taboo to even consider any support on the lines of support for Syrian opposition for example. Or better yet, support to Sisi to defend him from international scrutiny.

You're misunderstanding here. Any Arab nation (or any nation for that matter) can support the Palestinians using whatever terms they like, they can curse Israel for all I care, they can make as many movements against it at the UNHRC or whatever, Egypt can not because it is the mediator in the conflict. Again, it must appear neutral to both Hamas and Israel to ensure can be a successful mediator. Look at how the crisis in Egypt has affected the relationship between Hamas and Egypt and how that is not playing out in these negotiations.

Show me a source in which Egypt put forth a conditional cease fire.

I'm citing you here, on the main thread.

No one is asking us to 'alienate' Israel.

Actually, excluding a side from negotiations or talks does just that. Is Russia not being alienated by being left out of the G8? same logic.

Kerry brought forth a reasonable proposal. Egypt and Israel were upset it with it. There are no excuses for that. Since Egypt claims to support anything that brings this conflict to an end.

Egypt did not criticise Kerry's proposal, he was in Egypt before he went to Israel, if there was a time to do it, it would have been there. However, this is still irrelevant and beside the point I made.

The US so far has been unable to pressure Israel into making any concessions whatsoever or accepting any ceasefire plan or proposal, so the belief that if Arab states asked the US to do something it is already doing will yield any results is simply misguided if not naive.

Yes it can, even if marginal, it's a start. Which would get Israel thinking of the long term. How will Arabs be ten years from now if we continue this way? That's how Israeli's think, they think ahead and won't risk jeopardizing ties with the Arab world.

The Israelis have a peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan, except for questionable and shady ties with Qatar it has virtually zero ties with any other Arab states. It is not afraid of jeopardizing its ties (of which there are exactly two out of 22), it is looking to expand its ties around the region.

The only significant pressure can only come from Israeli constituents.

It means that you have highly differing standards in comparison to the vast majority of the Arab public. The Arab public hold to their set standards. They reflect upon it. You don't, it makes you different and your must recognize the reality even if you disagree it because you got a C+ in Biology and have become an arrogant atheist who just approaches everything with the so called 'logical' method.

And the personal attacks continue. Whether I'm an atheist, devout Catholic, naughty Sikh, or indifferent Muslim it would not change how I view international politics, I do not involve my own religion in my judgments. We are not talking about the views
of the vast majority of the Arab world, here we are talking about relations between states, there are things which are realistic
and things that are not, most of these things do not come into the consideration of the majority of the Arab public. As for arrogance, glass houses and all that.

@al-Hasani

Why does this guy continuously have to attack people, or try to differentiate between them on the basis or religion (whether they are true Muslims or not etc) and then question why we or they do not back him up nor share his views. Alienating the
same people who support your cause, by calling them Zionists, apostates, dictator lovers, and many other things only alienates them and makes them wonder and think whether having normalised relations with Israel is such a bad idea since those who they support are continually abusing them and accusing them of being a traitor. It confuses the hell out of me.

 

[Falcon29]

The narrative of either side is irrelevant, and it wouldn't have made a difference who broke the ceasefire to Egypt. Egypt is a mediator not an international judge, it can't hold either side to account nor pass any judgement, it can only act as the go between in order to come to a ceasefire.

The narrative DOES matter when the whole cease fire broke down and another 270 Palestinians were killed over an deliberate Israeli lie of a captured soldier.

You're misunderstanding here. Any Arab nation (or any nation for that matter) can support the Palestinians using whatever terms they like, they can curse Israel for all I care, they can make as many movements against it at the UNHRC or whatever, Egypt can not because it is the mediator in the conflict. Again, it must appear neutral to both Hamas and Israel to ensure can be a successful mediator. Look at how the crisis in Egypt has affected the relationship between Hamas and Egypt and how that is not playing out in these negotiations.

It made itself appear so neutral after declaring an unconditional cease fire which it didn't even consult Hamas on. And by expressing major dissatisfaction with Kerry's proposal because it even considered lifting the siege on Gaza.

I'm citing you here, on the main thread.

Egypt was only willing to relay messages to Israel. It appears it didn't amend anything.

Egypt did not criticise Kerry's proposal, he was in Egypt before he went to Israel, if there was a time to do it, it would have been there. However, this is still irrelevant and beside the point I made.

http://www.newsweek.com/kerrys-ceasefire-pivot-angers-egypt-israel-even-palestinian-authority-261834
Egypt was reportedly so angry that Qatar and Turkey had been invited to the Paris talks that it declined to send its foreign minister, Sameh Shukri.

The US so far has been unable to pressure Israel into making any concessions whatsoever or accepting any ceasefire plan or proposal, so the belief that if Arab states asked the US to do something it is already doing will yield any results is simply misguided if not naive.

The US can easily flip the situation around. As I've said, it considers its interests in the Arab world. Look again at my point.

It is not afraid of jeopardizing its ties (of which there are exactly two out of 22), it is looking to expand its ties around the region.

Which is why I stated how much of that would make a difference. You don't read anything, do you?

The only significant pressure can only come from Israeli constituents.

No.

And the personal attacks continue. Whether I'm an atheist, devout Catholic, naughty Sikh, or indifferent Muslim it would not change how I view international politics, I do not involve my own religion in my judgments. We are not talking about the views
of the vast majority of the Arab world, here we are talking about relations between states, there are things which are realistic
and things that are not, most of these things do not come into the consideration of the majority of the Arab public. As for arrogance, glass houses and all that.

@al-Hasani

Why does this guy continuously have to attack people, or try to differentiate between them on the basis or religion (whether they are true Muslims or not etc) and then question why we or they do not back him up nor share his views. Alienating the
same people who support your cause, by calling them Zionists, apostates, dictator lovers, and many other things only alienates them and makes them wonder and think whether having normalised relations with Israel is such a bad idea since those who they support are continually abusing them and accusing them of being a traitor. It confuses the hell out of me.

No they aren't personal attacks. You were asking for it by displaying your horrendous arrogance. Your standards do not reflect the majority of the people. That is the reality whether you like it or not. Getting a C+ in Biology shouldn't encourage you to disregard the majority opinion. Especially when it comes to facts, that list of demands is something expected of the Arab majority public. It isn't asking for too much, only to you it is.

While you're at it, keep getting praise and thanked posts from Israeli's.

 

[Frogman]

The narrative DOES matter when the whole cease fire broke down and another 270 Palestinians were killed over an deliberate Israeli lie of a captured soldier.

Unless Hamas or Israel have made further demands as a result of the broken ceasefire and dead it does not matter to the mediator what happened or what the narrative is. The mediator is there to ensure there is a ceasefire, full stop.

It made itself appear so neutral after declaring an unconditional cease fire which it didn't even consult Hamas on. And by expressing major dissatisfaction with Kerry's proposal because it even considered lifting the siege on Gaza.

That simply isn't true, if Islamic Jihad was aware of it then Hamas was definitely aware. This point just illustrates my point, if you or Hamas believe Egypt to be at the side of Israel in this conflict then it will not accept Egypt as a mediator nor will it trust it, that so far hasn't happened as Hamas still sends delegations to Cairo and is willing for Egypt to be a mediator.

Egypt was only willing to relay messages to Israel. It appears it didn't amend anything.

OK.

Egypt was reportedly so angry that Qatar and Turkey had been invited to the Paris talks that it declined to send its foreign minister, Sameh Shukri.

So where's Egypt's opposition to Kerry's proposals?

It's true Egypt did not want the involvement of Qatar and Turkey due to the recent history between the two nations. Those talks failed as was expected, Qatar and Turkey were not viewed by as Israel as neutral mediators and IJ/Pali delegation was looking for a better deal according to France 24. Israel also thought the proposal included too many of Hamas' demands.

The US can easily flip the situation around. As I've said, it considers its interests in the Arab world. Look again at my point

Your point does not include how the US can flip things around. It for the past decade has failed to stop Israel form building settlements, getting seriously involved in the peace process, and conducting operations in Gaza, how will it successfully
pressure Israel in to a ceasefire when it has been unable to pressure Israel into doing anything whatsoever before?

Which is why I stated how much of that would make a difference. You don't read anything, do you?

I read it, I just don't understand how you think simply telling the US to pet pressure on Israel in much the same way it is doing now is going to change anything, it historically has not and it doesn't seem likely. Israel knows relations would be normal with surrounding states if it commits to the peace process which results in an eventual Pali state, so far it has not committed itself
to that, which means either of two things, it does not see any benefits in normalising relations with the Arab states or they prefer the status quo.

No.

Really? so politicians do not want to retain their seats in parliament and parties do not want to maintain their power. If this war was unpopular Israeli politicians would have been calling for its end, because their constituents who ultimately dictate whether they stay in power or in government would demand it of them, no Israeli politician would ignore that nor would any politician in the world risk losing his seat. Whether you like it or not it is the Israeli citizens that can pressure their government the most, Israeli politicians will not risk their positions because the yanks told them to do something (as has been clear over the past decade).

No they aren't personal attacks. You were asking for it by displaying your horrendous arrogance.

So it isn't a personal attack, yet I was asking for it? make your mind up. Show me examples of my arrogance will you, because I already have an example of yours...

Your standards do not reflect the majority of the people. That is the reality whether you like it or not.

Never claimed they did. Would you admit that your beliefs and opinions do not represent the majority of the Arab world as well?

Getting a C+ in Biology shouldn't encourage you to disregard the majority opinion.

I have never made fun of your religious beliefs yet you see it fit to make fun of mine (quite badly) for no apparent reason. You seem to be confused here, I am not talking about any majority opinions or any opinions for that matter, I am simply stating how nations (states) have to conduct themselves in order to become effective mediators.

Especially when it comes to facts, that list of demands is something expected of the Arab majority public. It isn't asking for too much, only to you it is.

The demands the Pali delegation have made are justifiable, however, that isn't what we are talking about here, this is:-

It's not difficult to say we support the Palestinian conditions and will stand by the Palestinian people.

It's not difficult to say we won't allow Israeli delegations into Egypt if they don't take these matters seriously.

It's not difficult to ask your allies to even relay a message to the United States to pressure Israel to end its assault and commit to an a conditional truce which will leave this region more peaceful for the long term.

Is it?

I've been addressing why the above is counterproductive and unrealistic for a nation trying to mediate between two sides. If it wasn't then there would have not been a problem doing some if not most of the above (as plenty of Arab nations have done).

While you're at it, keep getting praise and thanked posts from Israeli's.

It makes no difference to me whether Israeli agree or disagree with my posts, I will not let their satisfaction or dissatisfaction dictate my opinions and beliefs nor would I change my opinions or beliefs to disagree with them. That is just childish and stupid.

Your insistence on attacking people when they do not attack you personally is incredibly telling of your character, please reflect on yourself before you lament others. It is not a good representation of Muslims.