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The Balfour declaration speaks about a Jewish Homeland, but has no legal implications.

As for the legality of British presence...
For starters, the Ottoman land was only Ottoman, as a result of conquest.
Conquest used to be a perfectly legal way to acquire land.

The British did not occupy the Mandate in the legal sense, due to the treaty signed after WW1,
where the Ottoman Empire ceeded their claim to the area. That makes the transfer legal.
Thus land owned by the government of the Ottoman Empire also was transferred to Great Britain.
Great Britain ceeded their claim to the Mandate when they left, and Israel claimed the part of the Mandate
within their borders as the successor.
The formation of Israel was after a vote in the UN general assembly, and countries
accept that the UN can make decisions.
Only the UNSC can make binding resolutions, but following the result of a vote in the General Assembly
can hardly be considered illegal.

When Israel was formed, the Arab population did not automatically lose their property.
Any Arab that remained kept their property, only those that left, lost their property which
is perfectly legal according to the Ottoman land law.
Likewise jews that left Arab countries for Israel lost their belongings.

After the formation of Israel, the West Bank was occupied and then annexed by Jordan.
Very few countries except for Pakistan recognized the annexation.
In 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank and Jordan later revoked their annexation, leaving the West Bank in limbo.
Israels Supreme Court assumes that they as occupiers have the right to act like the government,
and applies the land law of the Ottoman Empire, where ownership of unused "Dead" land is transferred
to the government , i.e. Israel.
It is implied that if Israel leaves the area for the formation of a new state, the government land
will be transferred to the new state.
Anyone that starts to use Government land will get ownership of the land (while they are there),
so settlements take ownership, when they form.
Settlements created on land in use are illegal, and have been terminated by the Israeli Supreme Court.
It is illegal to "transfer" your population into occupied territory, according to the Geneva Convention.
What is questionable is whether the Geneva Convention is applicable since it is only applicable between parties
which has signed the convention and the Palestinian authorities did not sign until a few years ago.
There is nothing in the convention which says that it is to be applied retroactively,
so the legality of anything on the West Bank is highly questionable.
While the Palestinians have announced a state it is not recognized by Israel,
and Israel does not neccessarily consider the West Bank as a part of an occupied Palestinian state.

So the transfer of land is according to Ottoman Law.
If Western Law had been in force, then Palestinians owning land would not lose it, if they left.

I repeat that Palestinians have difficulty getting what they want if laws and conventions are followed strictly.
They have to argue for a fair settlement of the conflict.

Ok wowww if conquest used to be legal way then murder of captives in war also used to be legal way ... So holocast is also justified as per you argument ???

Jews have a continuous presence in the land of Israel for 3222 years at least,the "palis" immigrated to our land when we were weak,in the last 150 years we bought parts of the land back,and released further part in defensive wars,there are parts of the land of israel which still occupied by arabs,don't worry we will free them too.

Sir you are forgetting diaspora ... Are you saying diaspora is fake ?
 
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Ok wowww if conquest used to be legal way then murder of captives in war also used to be legal way ... So holocast is also justified as per you argument ???

No, already the execution of Muslim prisoners by Richard Coeur d'Lion after the conquest of Akka during the Crusades was criticized, and civilians are not prisoners of war.

But according to you the ottomans revoked their right to the land. So why are you using Ottoman law?


Also I have already gone over this with you thick-skulled Zionists already. Israel is an illegal state by every meaning of the word.
Because noone changed the law...
You can claim that they are illegal, but You cannot show any specific law that confirms Your statement, so your arguments fall flat on the floor.
 
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No, already the execution of Muslim prisoners by Richard Coeur d'Lion after the conquest of Akka during the Crusades was criticized, and civilians are not prisoners of war.

Because noone changed the law...
You can claim that they are illegal, but You cannot show any specific law that confirms Your statement, so your arguments fall flat on the floor.

Legal or illegal jews are opressors in Palestine ...
 
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In your opinion what could be a fair solution ?
A two state solution living in peace with each other.
Jews and Arabs should be able to live in both states, but if settlers want to remain in areas which is part of the new Spalestinian state, they will have to assume Palestinian citizenship.
Jerusalem separated from both states and governed by UN,
guaranteeing religious freedom for all the three religions.
Both states can still have offices/parlament in Jerusalem, but not overruling authority.
What is going to happen with refugees is the critical point. Don't think it has a fair solution.
 
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Where You failed to make any progress.
Doubt You will succeed this time, so I just put You on ignore.
You need some basic lessons in fact finding.


Are you serious? Do we need to go over this again? I swear you Zionists are just idiots who block their ears when the facts smack them in the face.
 
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The British did not give anything to Israel.
There was a vote in the UN general assembly proposing a division of the Mandate
and Great Britain abstained from voting.
The Mandate was divided into three parts. Jordan, Palestine and Israel.

Arab propaganda exaggerated threats to Palestinians causing a large part to flee,
so while actions like the Deir Yassin massacre was bad, Arab propaganda made it even worse than it was.
The plan was to get help from surrounding Arab nations, but it backfired.

Your description is wrong.
Most of the farmers never owned the land, and those that "owned" the land never paid for it.
How can You rob something from someone that does not own this thing.

It is alien to Western thinking of ownership, that is for sure of course.

I have always said that the solution to the conflict is not looking at what is legal,
You have to ask what is fair.
The Arab approach to cry that Israel is illegal, is non constructive, because it is wrong.
They would be much more successful if they asked for what is fair.

Asking Israelis born in Israel to move out is hardly fair either.
There is a very good book for your legalities and everything else concerning the occupation of Palestine.. it is Cold " O Jerusalem!", it has more facts than you can believe and it is an authority on the subject.. you will learn first that the whole affair of the occupation of Palestine was concocted in Britain during Disraeli terms as the prime minister of Britain: "A pivotal event occurred in 1868 with the election of Benjamin Disraeli as British Prime Minister. Disraeli, a Jewish Christian who strongly regarded his Jewish heritage, wrote in an 1877 article entitled, "The Jewish Question is the Oriental Quest," that within 50 years a nation of one million Jews would reside in Palestine under the guidance of the British. Around the same time George Eliot, the great British novelist wrote her book, Daniel Deronda, about the struggle of a Jewish person to retain his identity. She propounded the idea that Israel become a nation of vision for the Jewish people. The book was translated and read by a Russian Jew named Yehuda Perlman who became convinced that a modern state of Israel was the ultimate answer for the Jewish people. He later changed his name to Eliezer Ben Yehuda, the father of modern Hebrew and an early Zionist"
http://www.leaderu.com/common/british.html


Also another goos read:
http://www.campaigner-unbound.0catch.com/how_britains_biggest_racists_created_zionism.htm

The book states with facts that Britain handed Palestine to the Jews in 1948, and that the British army killed 40 000 Palestinian armed (with carbines) men in order to do so..

O Jerusalem!

https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8404097W/O_Jerusalem!
 
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Sir you are forgetting diaspora ... Are you saying diaspora is fake ?
Fisrt,there is some kind of myth about the jewish exile,but it's more inner jewish issue.
Second,not all the people were exiled,yessince the roman era most of the jews lived in exile but not all of them.
If you need examples from all the 3200+ years till today just ask.
 
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Fisrt,there is some kind of myth about the jewish exile,but it's more inner jewish issue.
Second,not all the people were exiled,yessince the roman era most of the jews lived in exile but not all of them.
If you need examples from all the 3200+ years till today just ask.
Hahaha a plane lie ... well documented history shows that jerusalem was caotured by muslim as result of sige and then agreement between christians and muslims ... one of the condition of that agreement was that muslim will now allow jews to settle in jerusalem ... so jews were not there and were not allowed to settle ... plus you are also denying your own history of diaspora so its useless to debate with you ...

A two state solution living in peace with each other.
Jews and Arabs should be able to live in both states, but if settlers want to remain in areas which is part of the new Spalestinian state, they will have to assume Palestinian citizenship.
Jerusalem separated from both states and governed by UN,
guaranteeing religious freedom for all the three religions.
Both states can still have offices/parlament in Jerusalem, but not overruling authority.
What is going to happen with refugees is the critical point. Don't think it has a fair solution.

Bro i wish that could work as a solution ... we muslim do not have any personal or racial issue with jews ... infact we considered us to be decendant of abraham and jews will not find any other religion resembling to jews as close muslims are ... we follow same God ... like you we also believe in prophet moses ...

The difference is as per mislims the promissed meesaiah to moses was Jesus whereas after Muhammad SAW is last prophet ... as oer jews the prmomissed prophet is yet to come ... infact he will come as second coming of jesus ... and will fulfill the promise of greatest empire of the people of followers of God ...

The issue in reconciling with jews is ... jews intentions are to destroy Al.Aqsa mosque ... e jews want to build solomon temple again on temple mount and Al.aqsa mosque and thats not acceptable to us ..

By the way its good to have such positive discussions ....
 
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Hahaha a plane lie ... well documented history shows that jerusalem was caotured by muslim as result of sige and then agreement between christians and muslims ... one of the condition of that agreement was that muslim will now allow jews to settle in jerusalem ... so jews were not there and were not allowed to settle ... plus you are also denying your own history of diaspora so its useless to debate with you ...



Bro i wish that could work as a solution ... we muslim do not have any personal or racial issue with jews ... infact we considered us to be decendant of abraham and jews will not find any other religion resembling to jews as close muslims are ... we follow same God ... like you we also believe in prophet moses ...

The difference is as per mislims the promissed meesaiah to moses was Jesus whereas after Muhammad SAW is last prophet ... as oer jews the prmomissed prophet is yet to come ... infact he will come as second coming of jesus ... and will fulfill the promise of greatest empire of the people of followers of God ...

The issue in reconciling with jews is ... jews intentions are to destroy Al.Aqsa mosque ... e jews want to build solomon temple again on temple mount and Al.aqsa mosque and thats not acceptable to us ..

By the way its good to have such positive discussions ....

I think you have to understand that in the issue of the Al-Aqsa mosque as in many other issues
there are different views.
When Jerusalem was conquered in 1967, some extremists Jews wanted to demolish the Al-Aqsa mosque,
and said that "we have half a day to make this decision, and get away with it".
Mosche Dayan refused to approve the demolition and threatened with repercussions
if the Mosque was still demolished.
The current government is probably the most hawkish of all governments in Israel,
and they still have not demolished the Mosque.
That does not mean that a new temple is not desired by some Jews,
but I do not see that approved any time soon.
 
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Poor Jews the entire world is after their pure blood for no Reason ... so sad , these chosen people were persecuted for no reason .. very very poor Souls :sarcastic:

And the chosen ones have been doing the same since 1948 to the Palestinians while the world sleeps.
 
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I think you have to understand that in the issue of the Al-Aqsa mosque as in many other issues
there are different views.
When Jerusalem was conquered in 1967, some extremists Jews wanted to demolish the Al-Aqsa mosque,
and said that "we have half a day to make this decision, and get away with it".
Mosche Dayan refused to approve the demolition and threatened with repercussions
if the Mosque was still demolished.
The current government is probably the most hawkish of all governments in Israel,
and they still have not demolished the Mosque.
That does not mean that a new temple is not desired by some Jews,
but I do not see that approved any time soon.

Brother this is not happening because till to date israel is not capable itself from all of the muslim countries ... previous war were with arabs only ... but in case of anything happen to al.aqsa other countries like pakistan turkey malaysia and iran will also retaliate ... the moment israel get that capability al.aqsa is as good as demolished ...


Brother if i think from secular point of view there is no reason to fight between muslims and jews .. specially Pakistan has no reason to fight with israel but we need to see theough the lens of reality ... in reality creation of israel is based on religious motives and there is no other motive ...

We muslims were foretold about creation of state of israel 1400 years ago ... we were told that it will eventually become rulling state of the world ... we were foretold that before israel becoming world power there will be massive wars in which 99 out of 100 will die ... (no one could imagine even 100 years earlier that there could be a war n which 99% will die but after invention of nuclear bomb it is possible and we knew were told about it 1400 years earlier)

Ao brother with all those above true predictions we were also foretold that those people which will be behind state of israel will not be following real teachings of prophet moses ... we were also instructed not to take part in thise war ... and we were told at that that time prophet jesus will reappear and we will have to follow his lead along with the promissed leader to fight against opressive army of israel ...

I want to look from secular point of view ... but i know that creation of israel basis so i acnt ignore religious teachings of mine ...
 
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