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PAKISTAN'S TALIBAN STRATEGY

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After the death of Baitullah Mahsud, the disputes have become visible in Taliban ranks. Baitullah Mahsud was center of Gravity of that movement and after him there is no big name who can keep the movement united.Mahsuds death was result of coordination between Pakistani and American intel agencies. Reports immediately started coming out Waziristan about internal fighting’s between Taliban fractions. Al though Bhitani group claimed that Baitullahs deputies Hakeem ullah and Wali ur Rehman died in a shoot out our who will replace Baitullah Mahsud but after the fog vanished both commanders phoned media agencies and gave the proof that they are alive. The issue between different fractions within Mahsud tribe is over who will control million dollar worth Arms and ammunition and money. According to sources some how elders have controlled the blood shed between the fractions but its matter of time that fighting within Mahsuds start. To divert the attention over succession. TTP is concentrating in fighting against Bhitanies who are pro government and enemy of TTP. Turkistan Bhitani the main commander of Bhitani tribe is part of Abdullah Mahsud Group who rebelled against Baitullah’s Takfiri policies a year back. The leader of Abdullah Mahsud Group, Zainuddin Mahsud was killed by His body guard in DI khan few months ago.To divert the attension and internal fighting every second day Mahsud group attacks Bhitani and Abdullah Mahsud group . Attack on Bhitani positions on 8th august was the biggest ground attack by TTP on Bhitani positions in Sararoga in which 2000 Takfiri terrorists participated. This attack was repulsed by Bhitanies with the help of Army and nearly 100 men mainly Terrorists died. On 15th Bhitani positions were attacked in Gomal area. In this attack nearly 350 TTP terrorists attacked Bhitani. This attack was also repulsed. Terrorists suffered 5 dead and 4 injured where as 1 Bhitani man was killed and 1 injured. After Mehsud’s death,. Molvi Nazir came out the dominant commander of Taliban. He was the person who benefited the most after Baitullahs death. Nazir is a Wazir and belongs to Waziri alliance. In 2007 he started operation against Uzbeks and pushed them out of Waziri area. These Uzbeks were given refuge by Baitullahs TTP. Wazir’s are at odd with Mahsuds both blocked the routes for each other. Nazir is Part of Waziri Alliance, which is an alliance of Ahmed Zai and Uthman Zai Wazir tribes of North and South Waziristan.Baitullah Mahsud succeeded in making alliance with Wazir’s in march 2009. This new alliance was made for defense of NWA and SWA from army operation. Gul Bahader was chosen to lead this alliance.Both Gul Bahader of NWA and Molvi Nazir of SWA announced that their settlement with Government ended after Government launched Operation Rah e Nijat. But after few days Nazir announced that he will not attack forces.Interestingly TTP allied Uzbeks and Mahsuds on Sunday 16th 2009 laid down an ambush near WANA in SWA in which 17 Waziri militants were killed. According toReuters The Mehsud clansmen ambushed vehicles carrying men from Maulvi Nazir Wazir's group in South Waziristan, a tribal region on the border withAfghanistan, late on Saturday night. "They were hiding behind the rocks and, as soon as our people reached there, they opened fire. It was so sudden and quick that none of our men fired back," Shaheen Wazir, Maulvi Nazir's spokesman, told Reuters by telephone.Although TTP Mahsud has denied its involvement but the presence of Uzbeks who in past were beaten out of area by Nazir and his men . Nazir and his group blame it on Uzbeks and Mehsud’s.According to Reuters
The attack on Maulvi Nazir's fighters is more significant than earlier clashes between Baitullah Mehsud's fighters and men led by two other militant commanders, Turkistan Bitani and Misbahuddin Mehsud This attack proves that after the death of Baitullah the coordination of Taliban has ended and different fractions of TTP are operating independently to settle their scores with each other. Interestingly there is also a shift in military strategy of Forces. Instead of concentrating in SWA forces are engaging Gul Bahader and His men. Army has successfully blocked the Pak Afghan Border with help of Allied forces in Afghanistan. This has cut the Line of supply from Afghanistan. On other hand, now they are targeting the other line of supply of arms and ammunition coming from Dara Adam Khel. Army is hitting TTP positions in Aurak zai and Kurram which is the main route of arms transfer and successfully destroying the supply network.In NWA troops are engaged in Battle with Baitullahs replacement Hafiz Gul Bahader. This to engage the NWA Taliban’s in order to help allies (US and ISAF) inAfghanistan who are worried about Presidential elections of 20th. In SWA , The anti TTP tribal are doing the fighting for Government who in return is giving them air and Artillery support. I personally believe the main ground offensive against TTP in SWA will not start before Afghan elections. Because the strategy as I understand is to engage the TTP in SWA with its anti Fractions so that they don’t focus on Afghanistan and also engage Taliban in NWA with troops on ground and busy them fighting in Agency.US special envoy yesterday praised Pakistani Strategy. Mullen also complimented Pakistani strategy. I think terrorist and extremist networks should be defeated inPakistan because its matter of Survival and future of our coming generationsBut in Afghanistan things are different. Taliban movement in Afghanistan has changed into Pashtun National Struggle. US and NATO should realize that They cannot defeat Afghan Taliban by force because Pashtun Race is at war with them. Their (US AND NATO) enemy is Al Qaeda. By engaging in Talks with Afghan Taliban is only way which will lead Taliban away from Al Qaeda. The war on Terror is war on Takfir and should be fought accordingly. Takfir should be defeated from Arabia toIndonesia.

http://mbik14.blogspot.com/2009/08/pakistans-taliban-strategy.html
 
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Molvi Nazir came out the dominant commander of Taliban. He was the person who benefited the most after Baitullahs death.

Today Molvi Nazir and TTP had clashes reported, so this is for sure he is not controlling TTP at all..

In NWA troops are engaged in Battle with Baitullahs replacement Hafiz Gul Bahader

This is also don't seem true.. after BM killed, now Waziri seems to be surrender type.. they are offering, peace agreements to Pak army, one the condition to stop drone attacks. Pak army is also emphasizing toward baluchistan's RAW involvement since they have done alot of damage and spreading continuous hater towards pak army. But Pak army does also want the full control on Waziristan area and remove anti-state matter plus take all weapons from those tribes.. so both has put their conditions.. hopefully, TTP will be destroyed in itself. & Waziris, tajiks, and others will hand over all the information required by PA.

The war on Terror is war on Takfir

yeah right right.. so what actually takfiris do? To me many elements are trying to divert the war on terror towards wahabism or salafism or takfiris. looks like just Removing USA's name from this. But whole world knows why USA came to Afghanistan... After Taliban capture around 98% afghanistan was on peace.. There was peace in pakistan. But when USA comes many militants started to grow terrorism, killing death etc start just from no where. To me "War on terrorism" is actually is "War to rise terrorism". first USA planned 9/11 drama, and now a new drama.. no doubt Hollywood is located inside USA..
 
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Today Molvi Nazir and TTP had clashes reported, so this is for sure he is not controlling TTP at all..



This is also don't seem true.. after BM killed, now Waziri seems to be surrender type.. they are offering, peace agreements to Pak army, one the condition to stop drone attacks. Pak army is also emphasizing toward baluchistan's RAW involvement since they have done alot of damage and spreading continuous hater towards pak army. But Pak army does also want the full control on Waziristan area and remove anti-state matter plus take all weapons from those tribes.. so both has put their conditions.. hopefully, TTP will be destroyed in itself. & Waziris, tajiks, and others will hand over all the information required by PA.



yeah right right.. so what actually takfiris do?


forces are engaging gul bahader since razmak college kidnap

Gul bahader laid the deadliest ambush against forces this year

plz read news brother with attension:smitten:

Nazir is an oppurtunist

Nazir broke the accord then after negociations pledged not to get involve
do you know wzir mahsud conflict
plz do some search

TAKFIRIES are people who think every muslim who dont agree with them is kaffir and should be killed
plz do some research on it:pakistan:
 
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TAKFIRIES are people who think every muslim who dont agree with them is kaffir and should be killed
plz do some research on it

So you means to say after Operation nijaat is over, the army will start operation against shias, sunnis, bravlies, etc? since i see many "Hard core" of these sects thing like this.

Gul bahader laid the deadliest ambush against forces this year

I thought we are discussing current situation (after killing of BM) here rather then past. You aren't upto date now. Read this sunday's "The news" you will get update whats going on in that area. You might find some headlines like "Stop operation against we peace full waziris, now BM is dead" and many more.. Don't have quotes now..

Check this out... Fight WithIn

http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=23905
 
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So you means to say after Operation nijaat is over, the army will start operation against shias, sunnis, bravlies, etc? since i see many "Hard core" of these sects thing like this.



I thought we are discussing current situation (after killing of BM) here rather then past. You aren't upto date now. Read this sunday's "The news" you will get update whats going on in that area. You might find some headlines like "Stop operation against we peace full waziris, now BM is dead" and many more.. Don't have quotes now..

Check this out... Fight WithIn

Baitullah’s men kill 17 rival militants in SWA

Fraker PA JI
there is internal conflict after the death of baitullah
but we cannot deny that in march waziri allience joined hands with TTP and made Shura Al Mujahideen

Takfiries are in all sects
plz cheak and search on the Majlis Shura al Mujahideen and its aim

you are a friend and I wont argue further considering your mood and replies
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I didn't deny this, Mullah Nazir, Gul Bahadur, and Baitullah Masoud join hands against pak army, and Gul Bahadur also started some stricks where so far 27 security persons (mostly non military) are been killed. But, after the death of Baitullah Masoud.. the internal conflicts are on rise. And Mullah Nazir, Gul Bahadur, three or four people are fighting for leadership. Similarly tajiks who joined hands with PA, are also put more confusion.. and it seems like they will fall from with-in, since everyone has equal force. Some waziris also looking for the Peace agreement with PA. & at the moment, PA is working more for puting more conflicts with-in and speaking things out.. & more on mind & intelligence works rather then on ground.. you can see even launch of Operation Rah-e-Nijaat not much action has been seemed.. Like we saw in Operation Rah-e-rast.

I also said Takfiris are in every sect, thats why do we will start operation against them as well.. since This is "War on Takfiris". What i see, we are fighting with the people, who are been sponsored by our ally and very greedy Enemy .

Any ways.. ok forget it.. you will see more conflicts soon within TTP, and also the hard supporters of TTP, waziris will also come up against them .. And Pak army can't win this fight without that as well!!
 
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I also said Takfiris are in every sect, thats why do we will start operation against them as well.. since This is "War on Takfiris". What i see, we are fighting with the people, who are been sponsored by our ally and very greedy Enemy .
You start operations against those actively working against Pakistan and killing our forces, not against every tom, dick and harry at the same time. You're sounding like the Americans and their "do more" mantra who want us to attack every taliban and associated person at the same time and run out of resources.
 
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You start operations against those actively working against Pakistan and killing our forces, not against every tom, dick and harry at the same time. You're sounding like the Americans and their "do more" mantra who want us to attack every taliban and associated person at the same time and run out of resources.

lolzz.. u haven't read what i write, just jump into conclusion. The quote you posted here was actually "Sarcastic" on his statement "War on Takfiris". I believe the "war on terrorism" is actually "war to rise terrorism", and we all know actually started this war..
 
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lolzz.. u haven't read what i write, just jump into conclusion. The quote you posted here was actually "Sarcastic" on his statement "War on Takfiris". I believe the "war on terrorism" is actually "war to rise terrorism", and we all know actually started this war..
The taliban started this war and we will finish it. Read this statement and understand it and never again ask a silly question like why there isn't an operation against every takfiri minded person in Pakistan.
 
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To me "War on terrorism" is actually is "War to rise [sic] terrorism". first USA planned 9/11 drama, and now a new drama.. no doubt Hollywood is located inside USA..

The musings of a mind in touch with reality?
 
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according to 911 comission report mossad, almukhbrat and german intelligence warned US about these attacks
why US govt failed to take notice

was it not "let it happen on purpose"

because we know in RAD , a PNAC paper which came out in 2000 , Neocons wanted to have another perel harbour to implement their agenda
 
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according to 911 comission report mossad, almukhbrat and german intelligence warned US about these attacks
why US govt failed to take notice

was it not "let it happen on purpose"

because we know in RAD , a PNAC paper which came out in 2000 , Neocons wanted to have another perel harbour to implement their agenda

Total nutcase conspiracy theories. You have to be a complete idiot to really, really believe that the US caused 9/11 or let it happen on purpose.
 
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I'm new to these forums, but I have read about my country, Pakistan for years. I really hope that Pakistan will be successful in flushing out the terrorists, but we can not really say that our current president is anything better than them?

Re-structure the whole government, jail all the corrupt politicians, the Taliban support is a reaction to our lack of proper goverment structure. Seriously, killing is not always the right decision to make, educate our people, make the schools available for everyone and not only for those who can afford it.

My father constantly says that education is everything, if you want to achieve something in life, get an education, for you, your family and for your nation. For those who have the chance to get an education, do it!

My father was a Commando in the Pakistan Army before coming to Norway and fought the '65 and '71 war. I'm a patriot, you can blame my father for influencing me :P.

Might be slightly off-topic, but oh well. :pakistan:
 
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