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Pakistan’s submarine force down to just one : Hindustan Times


The issue which Indian article is trying to highlight is that PN subs will be upgraded by Turkey and more have been ordered from China while India can do nothing to stop this progress. For F-16's, India can reach out to USA, but subs are french, upgraded once already and now Turks have joined in, so reaching out to French won't help much. Incidentally, PN has inducted an aircraft which doesn't cause worry to Indian media, but this aircraft has been made capable enough almost equal to P-8. The ATR-72 has been upgraded with Leonardo Seaspray 7300E active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar, Elettronica electronic support measures (ESM) suite, FLIR Systems Star SAFIRE III electro-optical and infrared (EO/IR) turret and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capability through lightweight ASW torpedo compatibility. In addition, the ATR-72 MPAs were also configured with a self-protection suite providing defensibility to infrared, radar and laser-guided munitions. It also has passive electronic intelligence (ELINT) capabilities. ATR-72 along with P-3C Orion will always cause a headache for IN's own submarine force. It will be interesting to know which of these two aircrafts detected IN submarine lurking in Arabian sea.
 
If a couple of F16s and a lone sub can keep both IAF and IN at the bay, what'll happen when more stuffs join???

We don't even need F-16 bro, JF-17 is mashallah doing what is made for , hunting down IAF jets from Skies, and we got 2 of their Submarine signatures , next time they even comes close to our waters we will know ;) no sneaking to PN .
 
they were saying the same for PAF and they got it now come and enjoy biscuits along tea in the Arabian sea.
 
The IN saga continues haha.

https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2019/06/navy-finds-defects-in-scorpene.html

By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 15th June 19


Project-75, which involves building six Scorpene submarines in Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai (MDL), was already running five years late by the time the first one, INS Kalvari, was commissioned on December 14, 2017.

With the navy reporting a host of problems in the second vessel, INS Khanderi, Project 75 has now slipped by at least one more year. The navy has refused to commission the Khanderi into service until all its defects and deficiencies are fully rectified.

The defence ministry has fully supported the navy’s insistence that MDL and its technology partner, French warship builder Naval Group, must deliver a fully seaworthy and battle-worthy vessel.

“The liability of delivering a fully functioning submarine is that of Naval Group. If we accept the boat with shortcomings, the liability would be on us”, said a senior admiral.

The most worrying problem the navy discovered during the Khanderi’s sea trials was a killer defect for a submarine: Its engines and propellers were emitting an unduly high level of noise.

A submarine’s effectiveness in battle, and its very survival, depends upon it remaining undetected. Enemy sonar detectors – mounted on aircraft, warships and submarines – search relentlessly for sounds emitted by enemy submarines. Once detected, a submarine is easy meat for enemy depth charges or torpedoes.

Khanderi’s noisiness is not its only problem; the navy has pointed out 35 other defects and has demanded they be rectified before it commissions the vessel.

Nor can these problems be addressed quickly, since 29 of them require to be tested when the sea is absolutely calm – or in what is termed “Sea State – 1”. With the monsoon imminent, calm seas are unlikely before September.

Another four issues require the submarine to be docked in a navy dockyard for testing. This runs up against an existing docking schedule that dockyards have already issued, involving numerous other warships.

Meanwhile, the third Project-75 submarine, INS Karanj, has just begun trials. It is unclear whether there will be as many problems as with the Khanderi.

The Indian Navy and MDL both declined to comment for this article. However, neither denied the existence of numerous defects in the Khanderi.

For the navy, which is making do with just 14 conventional submarines against a requirement of 24, the INS Khanderi delay extends a dangerous operational void. Over recent years, both the navy’s nuclear submarines, the indigenous INS Arihant and the Russia-leased INS Chakra, have been out of action for extended spells after accidents stemming from poor seamanship. In the case of the former, seawater entered the submarine from a hatch carelessly left open; the latter scraped its sonar dome against the seabed.

Project 75 kicked off in 2005, when the navy signed a Rs 18,798 crore contract for MDL to build six conventional submarines, with technology transferred by Franco-Spanish consortium, Armaris. All six Scorpenes were to be delivered between 2012-2015, but the sixth will only be delivered now by 2022.

Meanwhile, Armariswas taken over by France’s Direction des Constructions Navales Services(DCNS), and its cost went up to Rs 23,562 crore. In 2017, DCNS changed its name to Naval Group.

Besides INS Kalvari, the navy’s 14 conventional submarines include four 20-30 year-old, German-origin HDW 877 EKM boats (called the Sindhughosh-class); and nine 10-20 year-old, Russian-origin Kilo class Type 209 vessels (called the Shishumar class).

In addition to five more Scorpenes, six more conventional submarines are planned to be built under Project 75-I, by an Indian firm in partnership with a foreign vendor. Tendering for that is still to begin.
 
Its a Indian media article so one can take it with pinch of salt. Just sharing for the sake of discussion.

Pakistan’s submarine force down to just one, seeks China help

Indian Navy officials say the maritime force was very clear about deployment of Pakistani naval assets after the Balakot strikes.
INDIA Updated: Apr 01, 2019 12:55 IST
Shishir Gupta and Rahul Singh
Hindustan Times, New Delhi

Pakistan’s current submarine force levels are low with four of its navy’s five operational units undergoing major refit and repairs, three top intelligence officials in India have independently confirmed.

“We have inputs that indicate that only one Pakistan Navy submarine is partially operational. And this is the reason why they were frantically seeking help of the Chinese Navy to secure their maritime interests post-Pulwama,” said one of the three personnel cited above, a senior intelligence official. None of the three wished to be identified.

On February 14, a suicide bomber of the Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed attacked an Indian paramilitary force convoy in Jammu and Kashmir, killing 40. India responded by bombing a Jaish terror facility in Pakistan on February 26.

After that air strike, a Pakistan Navy submarine was detected in the international waters off India’s west coast on February 27, the day when an intrusion by a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fighter was effectively repelled in the Nowshera sector.

Indian Navy officials say the maritime force was very clear about deployment of Pakistani naval assets after the Balakot strikes.

“Maritime domain awareness was very high. We are still deployed and in full control of the situation,” a senior navy official said on condition of anonymity.

According to the intelligence officials, the lone submarine on patrol in high seas off the coast of India was part of the deception mission adopted by the Pakistan Navy. The submarine, which was identified by its radar signature, moved back to its base shortly, with the Pakistan Navy de-escalating its forward posture.

Indian Navy officials declined to comment on the state of Pakistan’s submarines. According to Vice Admiral (Retd) Madanjit Singh, former Commander-in-Chief, Western Navy, a partially operational submarine means that there are restrictions over diving to a certain level.

Pakistan has five French-made submarines, of which three belong to Augusta 90B class or Khalid class and two, with a nearly 40-year vintage, belong to the Augusta 70 or Hashmat class. While PNS Khalid is nearly 20 years old, PNS Saad is 18 years old and PNS Hamza was commissioned 11 years ago. HT learns that all three are under major repairs being done by a Turkish company and are expected to join active service only in 2020. The Khalid-class subs can fire cruise missiles.

While the Indian Navy remain tight-lipped, intelligence reports indicate that only PNS Hurmat, commissioned in 1980, is partially operational, with lead class boat PNS Hashmat, commissioned in 1979, undergoing a major overhaul. Submarines are a huge deterrent in times of hostility as they are used to prevent forward deployment of surface naval assets of the adversary and also to wreak economic damage by hampering harbour operations of the enemy.

First Published: Apr 01, 2019 06:35 IST


https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ergo-repair/story-oBr1gGXTZODCVtdHsDBAPI.html
One, two or half does not matter. The situation is known to you. Yet we were the ones who caught your Sub in our waters and forced it to surface and return. You did not have the guts to do much inspite of our purported weakness.
Repairs, upgrades and overhauls are part and parcel of maintenance schedule. I would not get too worried about it. We caused you embarrasment in the Air on the surface as well as subsurface. Ab aur kahan kahan zaleel hona hai bhai?
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