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Yes, you read the title right. The Submarine deal Pakistan cracked with China a few years back was terrible. Now firstly I will admit.....we don't really know what type of submarines we are buying. If 6 of the subs end up being some of the most advanced AIP subs that are better then their european counterparts, and the other 2 are nuclear powered and capable with VLS for SLBM's - Then I'll be like...
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BUT if the submarine deal turns out to be us just getting 8 S-20 export conventional SSK's that aren't China's best subs - Then the deal is terrible as a matter of fact....shit.
A lot of people on this forum will say "conventional attack submarines that can launch the babur SLCM is great for our sea based detterent and we are all set"
I see this comment ALOT and every time my reaction is...
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Bruh - We need Submarines with VLS that can fire SLBM's. SLCM's won't do jack.
Anyway's Ill get back to that topic another day.
Back to the Submarine deal - In retrospect 8 S-20 submarines doesn't seem like a bad defence deal, but it kind of is.
8 Chinese submarines - 5 Billion dollars - 12 years
Too long and costly
Pakistan should have:
1. Produced its own submarines with Chinese and Turkish assistance
Or
2. Buy 4 from China and 4 from Germany, Spain or Sweden - Then we would get 8 at the same time
All I can say is - I hope our Admirals know what they're doing.
Yes, you read the title right. The Submarine deal Pakistan cracked with China a few years back was terrible. Now firstly I will admit.....we don't really know what type of submarines we are buying. If 6 of the subs end up being some of the most advanced AIP subs that are better then their european counterparts, and the other 2 are nuclear powered and capable with VLS for SLBM's - Then I'll be like...
View attachment 361350
BUT if the submarine deal turns out to be us just getting 8 S-20 export conventional SSK's that aren't China's best subs - Then the deal is terrible as a matter of fact....shit.
A lot of people on this forum will say "conventional attack submarines that can launch the babur SLCM is great for our sea based detterent and we are all set"
I see this comment ALOT and every time my reaction is...
View attachment 361351
Bruh - We need Submarines with VLS that can fire SLBM's. SLCM's won't do jack.
Anyway's Ill get back to that topic another day.
Back to the Submarine deal - In retrospect 8 S-20 submarines doesn't seem like a bad defence deal, but it kind of is.
8 Chinese submarines - 5 Billion dollars - 12 years
Too long and costly
Pakistan should have:
1. Produced its own submarines with Chinese and Turkish assistance
Or
2. Buy 4 from China and 4 from Germany, Spain or Sweden - Then we would get 8 at the same time
All I can say is - I hope our Admirals know what they're doing.
Long time bro... Welcome back!There are no less than 7 other threads about Pakistan's submarine deal with China already.
Why have you started another one?
MODS: Please close this or merge with another. This is becoming ridiculous now.
Wow, that hit me deep.You really has potential but things like these will ruin your image and people stop taking you seriously.
Wow, that hit me deep.
No really, that guy has more hope in me than anyone I've met.Hassan I find your posts hilarious and I just can't take you seriously. That's not to demean you in anyway. You post what you want pal
No really, that guy has more hope in me than anyone I've met.
Oh wow, thanks for saying that.Who? I'm just saying your posts are hilarious which is a good thing, because you're one of those members who adds a bit of humour to the serious world out there. Even if you're right. There's no harm in coming across like that so don't be offended lol
People have different tastes in life. Your berating is ill-advised.Precisely, cant believe some long time member even go with his insanity and his brainwashed. This Hassan Guy is just an overseas pakistanis who believe Western countries and their products are the savior for Pakistan in his delusion dream.
True Pakistanis who love Pakistan and wish for real progress and stronger Pakistan must stand up and say some true word. What has the west do for Pakistan in the last 20years, especially the Americans?
Real Pakistanis shall not trust those overseas Pakistanis. They live in a western world constant brainwashed by the imperial west who try to spread Asia inferiority and try to brainwashed overseas Asian that Asia can only save by the white people. The asian can only be slaved to whiteman.
Why would imperial west wants a strong Asia? Simple logic.
Sir, reading your post, I am confused. If you don't really know what kind of Subs these are, how can you even guess that it's a bad deal?
Does that mean i am intelligent?I dont think many people read posts before they reply nor do they research before they post .. some dont even think before they are typing.
Too drunk on the idea of just getting their voice out there for someone to either chat with or to get some idiot's like.
It is a problem of humanity, the intelligent ones are too silent and the stupid ones keep chattering away.
firstly he is assuming its a bad deal then explaining it why its bad...the only reason its a bad deal is because of his assumptions, no one actually knows what kinds of subs Pakistan is getting and poster thinks he is more knowledgeable than those making this deal.
Ao easy to judge decision taken on a national basis from the comfort of a coach, huh?, and u start a thread knowing absolutely bull about the type of subs bieng bought, "pakistan should've built its own subs", what r u 2 yrs old?? This isnt simcity or cod, we make do with what we have and been doing a hell of job till now judging from the fact that a former superpower and present superpower both wanted us gones in diff era's one of them still wants u neutralized, a ten times bigger nieghbour still kept in check, most of the supposed brother islamic nations want us gone too cause they cant digest the fact that a non arab nation calls the shots in the ummah now, so take a gulp of ovaltine or whatever u kids drink, have some spinach to go with it and think urself popeye and leave the matters of military to those who have the maturity for it...Yes, you read the title right. The Submarine deal Pakistan cracked with China a few years back was terrible. Now firstly I will admit.....we don't really know what type of submarines we are buying. If 6 of the subs end up being some of the most advanced AIP subs that are better then their european counterparts, and the other 2 are nuclear powered and capable with VLS for SLBM's - Then I'll be like...
View attachment 361350
BUT if the submarine deal turns out to be us just getting 8 S-20 export conventional SSK's that aren't China's best subs - Then the deal is terrible as a matter of fact....shit.
A lot of people on this forum will say "conventional attack submarines that can launch the babur SLCM is great for our sea based detterent and we are all set"
I see this comment ALOT and every time my reaction is...
View attachment 361351
Bruh - We need Submarines with VLS that can fire SLBM's. SLCM's won't do jack.
Anyway's Ill get back to that topic another day.
Back to the Submarine deal - In retrospect 8 S-20 submarines doesn't seem like a bad defence deal, but it kind of is.
8 Chinese submarines - 5 Billion dollars - 12 years
Too long and costly
Pakistan should have:
1. Produced its own submarines with Chinese and Turkish assistance
Or
2. Buy 4 from China and 4 from Germany, Spain or Sweden - Then we would get 8 at the same time
All I can say is - I hope our Admirals know what they're doing.