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SSG kit is at a standstill. Even after fighting frontline battles. Kind of sad.
Plus the camo needs a change it's not like they will be operating in verdant zones only, We need to take into account all terrain types, Current camo needs to go asap.

They should be buying up all the gear coming out of Afghanistan they can get their hands on. Comms, Rifles, thermal scopes for rifles, etc. hope they can get their hands on some Ah-6 helicopters for quick insertion (such as inserting a forward air controller with security detail, to call in air strikes, if a base comes under attack) and dedicated CAS.
 
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Looks like AK103 with wood magazine


AK74M (Basically AK-103 chambered in 5.45 cartridge) PKMs and Turkish JNG-90 snipers. None of them are SSGs, they are using host country’s (Azerbaijan) equipment.
SSG kit is at a standstill. Even after fighting frontline battles. Kind of sad.
Plus the camo needs a change it's not like they will be operating in verdant zones only, We need to take into account all terrain types, Current camo needs to go asap.
What do you think they’re missing exactly? It’s not really possible to judge what they have from a few publicly available pictures, they’ve been known to change camo as needed as well, though I don’t see what’s wrong with the current one either.
 
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AK74M (Basically AK-103 chambered in 5.45 cartridge) PKMs and Turkish JNG-90 snipers. None of them are SSGs, they are using host country’s (Azerbaijan) equipment.

What do you think they’re missing exactly? It’s note to judge what they have from a few publicly available pictures, they’ve been known to change camo as needed as well, though I don’t see what’s wrong with the current one either.
Missing "basic" equipment they don't even have proper ear protection first of all, Only recently did Tier 1 operators from SSG start inducting basic ear protection.

Apart from that tragedy, The body armour has improved, The headgear is also upgraded but night vision, the Knee and elbows pads are still remnants of piss poor decades, Gone but not forgotten, Neither improved upon on. *I can carry on but neither I have the energy or the desire to do so.

Let's not even touch on the camo bit no point in beating dead horses. All in all, It does not take a genius to figure out SSG is lacking in certain areas, Well related to their equipment of course. Otherwise, it's a "Fine" Establishment.


Edit* The things I touched on are child's play, grass-root basic shit, even a kid can comprehend. So let's not get bogged into further details about the crockery SSG is bestowed with. The point is, SSG being the premier force is still being neglected.
 
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Missing "basic" equipment they don't even have proper ear protection first of all, Only recently did Tier 1 operators from SSG start inducting basic ear protection.

Apart from that tragedy, The body armour has improved, The headgear is also upgraded but nightvision, Knee and elbows pads are still remnants of piss poor decades, Gone but not forgotten, Neither improved upon on. *I can carry on but neither I have the energy or the desire to do so.

Let's not even touch on the camo bit no point in beating dead horses. All in all It does not take a genius to figure out SSG is lacking in certain areas, Well related to their equipment of course. Otherwise its a "Fine" Establishment.
First of all why in the world would they wear NVGs for a day time ex/ photo session. Ear pro is also an impediment to battle field awareness no matter how you skin the cat. Knee and elbow pads are just not a necessity, they are available throughout the units (I suppose) but are usually not used because 1. Dictates of the activity in progress 2. They are cumbersome and limit mobility. As much as fan boys would like them to wear every thing imaginable all the time, its is neither practical nor useful. People watch a few tactical videos/ hollywood war movies and think they are gear gurus. Far from the case mate.
 
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First of all why in the world would they wear NVGs for a day time ex/ photo session. Ear pro is also an impediment to battle field awareness no matter how you skin the cat. Knee and elbow pads are just not a necessity, they are available throughout the units (I suppose) but are usually not used because 1. Dictates of the activity in progress 2. They are cumbersome and limit mobility. As much as fan boys would like them to wear every thing imaginable all the time, its is neither practical nor useful. People watch a few tactical videos/ hollywood war movies and think they are gear gurus. Far from the casemate.
Firstly, Am talking in general about their equipment and from what I have seen in general, Am not talking about the exercise mate. Have a re-read.

I could give two hoots about what they wear when on exercises abroad or at home.


Also, I forgot and thanks for the knock on my hollow head MR General, That NVGs and certain equipment do not have omnipresent mandates. What would we do without you Mr General

The point is a regular SSG soldier is not carrying quality tools for the job he does. Rather they are playing catch-up even though they have been on frontline battles.

The rest of your post is swinging at air type non-sense
 
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First of all why in the world would they wear NVGs for a day time ex/ photo session. Ear pro is also an impediment to battle field awareness no matter how you skin the cat. Knee and elbow pads are just not a necessity, they are available throughout the units (I suppose) but are usually not used because 1. Dictates of the activity in progress 2. They are cumbersome and limit mobility. As much as fan boys would like them to wear every thing imaginable all the time, its is neither practical nor useful. People watch a few tactical videos/ hollywood war movies and think they are gear gurus. Far from the case mate.
Was practicality typing this answer but thought better of it, trying to explain for the Hundredth Time why the little gear seen in public photos and the heroics seen in Hollywood movies aren’t reality. Too many people just think every bit of kit tossed on to a soldier is improving his or her performance or that equipment is the only thing that matters. Annoys me to no end.

Even regulars have access to modern NVGs in the PA. I don’t know what makes people think that the SSG doesn’t, they just see Quad NVGs in a game and assume that is the only modern NVG and everything else is obsolete, despite having never once seen an actual picture of SSG from a night Ops.

I‘m also surprised to hear that they think Ear protection isn’t present in the SSG or that it’s always used by everyone In other SFs, Though I agree with this one strongly, PA needs to pay more attention to ear protection, even if they think it’s not worth it, it’s good to see SSG at least has starting adopting it now.

Knee and elbow pads are very preference based, you can see even the best SFs not using them and using them as needed and wanted, I’m not sure what the poster thinks a “modern” knee pad is (Lol?) but they are already standard issue to regulars And more so to SSG. It’s their choice to use them or not.

The most hue and cry I see on the forum is about helmets. SSG is almost always using FAST helmets. What else do you want them to use? And no, SSG and not even regulars in PA use original PASGTs, just because it looks like a PASGT doesn’t make it one, modern PASGT style helmets have been in use with even US forces forever And are still the standard helmet for The Entire USMC and several units in the US army.
PAs standard issue helmet (and the one seen hence seen on SSG before) is the ACH/LCH series (which FYI US forces and SF widely used until the mid 2010s) and not the 80s PASGT series. If only people would bother to do research.
Firstly, Am talking in general about their equipment and from what I have seen in general, Am not talking about the exercise mate. Have a re-read.

I could give two hoots about what they wear when on exercises abroad or at home.


Also, I forgot and thanks for the knock on my hollow head MR General, That NVGs and certain equipment do not have omnipresent mandates. What would we do without you Mr General

The point is a regular SSG soldier is not carrying quality tools for the job he does. Rather they are playing catch-up even though they have been on frontline battles.

The rest of your post is swinging at air type non-sense
You keep complaining but don’t have anything to back up what you say they are missing. They are a force from a third world country, we Don’t have money to throw around. If the SSG was playing so called “catch-up“ then they wouldn’t be performing as well as they did.

I’m not saying they’re the best equipped, not even among the top few, nor are the perfectly trained (if anything I think they need modern training practices a lot more than they need new equipment), And PA can certainly equip them better by managing funds better, but I think whatever The SSG is doing and whatever they’re being given is working, because last I checked a certain neighbor who loves to show off their SF with The latest Panoramic NVGs, rifles, optics and whatever else had quite a predicament when two lightly armed freedom fighters took over Their airbase and held it for an entire week because their SF said “We aren’t trained for this situation“

The SSG, like every other arm in the PA, needs modernization, of course there are efforts underway to Do so (if you really think SSGs training and kit hasn’t improved in the last 20 years then I’m afraid this is hopeless already), but we cannot expect them to look like a first world SF just because they spent 20 years on the frontline, if anything that War was the reason they didn’t get better gear, we simply didn’t have the money to buy it for them Because we had a damn war to fund, All the money came after the war ended.
 
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A force like the SSG should not be playing catch up when it comes to equipment and tactis, Since it has many glorious battles, skirmishes under it's belt. Experience plays a key role here folks.
Was practicality typing this answer but thought better of it, trying to explain for the Hundredth Time why the little gear seen in public photos and the heroics seen in Hollywood movies aren’t reality. Too many people just think every bit of kit tossed on to a soldier is improving his or her performance or that equipment is the only thing that matters. Annoys me to no end.

Even regulars have access to modern NVGs in the PA. I don’t know what makes people think that the SSG doesn’t, they just see Quad NVGs in a game and assume that is the only modern NVG and everything else is obsolete, despite having never once seen an actual picture of SSG from a night Ops.

I‘m also surprised to hear that they think Ear protection isn’t present in the SSG or that it’s always used by everyone In other SFs, Though I agree with this one strongly, PA needs to pay more attention to ear protection, even if they think it’s not worth it, it’s good to see SSG at least has starting adopting it now.

Knee and elbow pads are very preference based, you can see even the best SFs not using them and using them as needed and wanted, I’m not sure what the poster thinks a “modern” knee pad is (Lol?) but they are already standard issue to regulars And more so to SSG. It’s their choice to use them or not.

The most hue and cry I see on the forum is about helmets. SSG is almost always using FAST helmets. What else do you want them to use? And no, SSG and not even regulars in PA use original PASGTs, just because it looks like a PASGT doesn’t make it one, modern PASGT style helmets have been in use with even US forces all the way to the 2010s. PAs standard issue helmet (and the one seen hence seen on SSG before) is the ACH/LCH series (which FYI US forces and SF widely used) and not the 80s PASGT series. If only people would bother to do research.
Let's a have go at elbow and knee pads since you find it so amusing.

Firstly, soldiers are human after all they are not machines who don't feel or sense absolute nothingness.
Knee and elbow pads are mandatory, when out on active duty it is not a case of ill wake up today and won't feel gravel, pebbles and stones without pads because I felt like a free soul, ditching the abomination that is pads. It don't work that way buddy. There is a code of conduct.

Modern day army uniforms have inbuilt pads/patches with special linen for knees and elbows. It's MANDATORY.


And finally yes I agree its not Hollywood or a ISPR drama serial where I would expect soldiers fully kitted out running around in broad daylight with NVGs and a 40kg kit bag and neither should you.
 
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A force like the SSG should not be playing catch up when it comes to equipment and tactis, Since it has many glorious battles, skirmishes under it's belt.

Let's a have go at elbow and knee pads since you find it so amusing.

Firstly, soldiers are human after all they are not machines who don't feel or sense absolute nothingness.
Knee and elbow pads are mandatory, when out on active duty it is not a case of ill wake up today and won't feel gravel, pebbles and stones without pads because I felt like a free soul, ditching the abomination that is pads. It don't work that way buddy. There is a code of conduct.

Modern day army uniforms have inbuilt pads for knees and elbows. It's MANDATORY.


And finally yes I agree its not Hollywood or a ISPR drama serial where I would expect soldiers fully kitted out running around in broad daylight with NVGs and a 40kg kit bag and neither should you.
Just you saying those pads are mandatory makes your opinion fall short.

Go search up images of US Delta force, navy seals SAS, or basically any force on deployment that you consider a good standard, if you see all of them wearing knee and elbow pads, you win. If you see it’s selective (much like it is in the SSG) then I win. Easy? Right?

Elbow and knee pads are standard issue to each and every PA infantry soldier, not just the SSG. Yet you will rarely ever see any SF use elbow pads and Knee Pads are also selective. Do you want to tell them its Against the code of conduct?

I don’t find this amusing, just particularly annoying, I agree the SSG shouldn’t be playing catch up, but unless you want to fund the equipment, I’m afraid it will stay like that. We are a third world country, we do not have the same kind of money. The SSG is much better equipped and trained than several countries that have better economic situations because the SSG has had to operate everyday for 20 years Despite not having the funding.

I will always advocate for modern training practices though, they do not cost much. They need to be implemented more often, something which again is already underway given how many exercises the SSG does with other modern SFs, but alas people will only see the pictures.
 
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Just you saying those pads are mandatory makes your opinion fall short.

Go search up images of US Delta force, navy seals SAS, or basically any force on deployment that you consider a good standard, if you see all of them wearing knee and elbow pads, you win. If you see it’s selective (much like it is in the SSG) then I win. Easy? Right?

Elbow and knee pads are standard issue to each and every PA infantry soldier, not just the SSG. Yet you will rarely ever see any SF use elbow pads and Knee Pads are also selective. Do you want to tell them its Against the code of conduct?

I don’t find this amusing, just particularly annoying, I agree the SSG shouldn’t be playing catch up, but unless you want to fund the equipment, I’m afraid it will stay like that. We are a third world country, we do not have the same kind of money. The SSG is much better equipped and trained than several countries that have better economic situations because the SSG has had to operate everyday for 20 years Despite not having the funding.

I will always advocate for modern training practices though, they do not cost much. They need to be implemented more often, something which again is already underway given how many exercises the SSG does with other modern SFs, but alas people will only see the pictures.
We can agree to disagree on certain aspects. Most Western forces now utilize inbuilt linen patches for elbows and knees. They perform in similar fashion to pads.

But let's forget all this. The thing that matters is we agree on upgradation of training standards be it through exercises abroad or own implementations.

What we want is the best for our forces. 👍🏼
 
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We can agree to disagree on certain aspects. Most Western forces now utilize inbuilt linen patches for elbows and knees. They perform in similar fashion to pads.

But let's forget all this. The thing that matters is we agree on upgradation of training standards be it through exercises abroad or own implementations.

What we want is the best for our forces. 👍🏼
I agree that SSG needs new uniforms, camo aside, they can be made a lot more useful in general, as is seen with the ones used in western SFs, ergonomics and utility.
There are a lot of things to improve in every arm of our armed forces, Wether equipment or tactics, as Long as we stay realistic about it given our economic condition.
It is true that at the end of the day we all just want the betterment of our soldiers so they can perform in the best way, you are advocating for the same as well, we just have different ways of doing it.

Thank you for being the bigger person and having a civil conversation, I apologize for my harsh words.
 
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I agree that SSG needs new uniforms, camo aside, they can be made a lot more useful in general, as is seen with the ones used in western SFs, ergonomics and utility.
There are a lot of things to improve in every arm of our armed forces, Wether equipment or tactics, as Long as we stay realistic about it given our economic condition.
It is true that at the end of the day we all just want the betterment of our soldiers so they can perform in the best way, you are advocating for the same as well, we just have different ways of doing it.

Thank you for being the bigger person and having a civil conversation, I apologize for my harsh words.
It takes two to tango. No need for an apology.
 
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Firstly, Am talking in general about their equipment and from what I have seen in general, Am not talking about the exercise mate. Have a re-read.

I could give two hoots about what they wear when on exercises abroad or at home.


Also, I forgot and thanks for the knock on my hollow head MR General, That NVGs and certain equipment do not have omnipresent mandates. What would we do without you Mr General

The point is a regular SSG soldier is not carrying quality tools for the job he does. Rather they are playing catch-up even though they have been on frontline battles.

The rest of your post is swinging at air type non-sense
Oh thank you Mr operator for the clarification, I mistook you for a wannabe COD playing tacticool fanboy who has nothing better to do than critique his units SOF because ofc he knows better. The SSG rank and file yahoos and those noobs making decisions have not idea about what they are doing. The should let you join them so you can show them the light. You should be a shoe in given you vast knowledge of military gear, tactics, doctrine and the implications of enduring a war for two decade with limited finances. Show them how it's done.
Was practicality typing this answer but thought better of it, trying to explain for the Hundredth Time why the little gear seen in public photos and the heroics seen in Hollywood movies aren’t reality. Too many people just think every bit of kit tossed on to a soldier is improving his or her performance or that equipment is the only thing that matters. Annoys me to no end.

Even regulars have access to modern NVGs in the PA. I don’t know what makes people think that the SSG doesn’t, they just see Quad NVGs in a game and assume that is the only modern NVG and everything else is obsolete, despite having never once seen an actual picture of SSG from a night Ops.

I‘m also surprised to hear that they think Ear protection isn’t present in the SSG or that it’s always used by everyone In other SFs, Though I agree with this one strongly, PA needs to pay more attention to ear protection, even if they think it’s not worth it, it’s good to see SSG at least has starting adopting it now.

Knee and elbow pads are very preference based, you can see even the best SFs not using them and using them as needed and wanted, I’m not sure what the poster thinks a “modern” knee pad is (Lol?) but they are already standard issue to regulars And more so to SSG. It’s their choice to use them or not.

The most hue and cry I see on the forum is about helmets. SSG is almost always using FAST helmets. What else do you want them to use? And no, SSG and not even regulars in PA use original PASGTs, just because it looks like a PASGT doesn’t make it one, modern PASGT style helmets have been in use with even US forces forever And are still the standard helmet for The Entire USMC and several units in the US army.
PAs standard issue helmet (and the one seen hence seen on SSG before) is the ACH/LCH series (which FYI US forces and SF widely used until the mid 2010s) and not the 80s PASGT series. If only people would bother to do research.
Couldnt have said it better myself mate.
Your absolutely right.
This is based off you vast experience of doing multiple click insertions with combat load I am sure. *salute*
 
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