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A 2pound jar will cost rs200/scoop -- same company's 5pound jar will cost 143rupees / scoop--- 8 pounder will cost rs100 to 120/scoop.

I am talking about international companies like gnc which charge 80% more money in pak, than what they charge in the u.s


I can give you only nutritional advice of an athlete. I dont know what soldiers go through or from where to buy dumbells etc in bulk


desi diet is shitty -- rarely has balanced macro nutrients
sorry sir but i was bit late i editing my post can you go through it again thanks

A 2pound jar will cost rs200/scoop -- same company's 5pound jar will cost 143rupees / scoop--- 8 pounder will cost rs100 to 120/scoop.

I am talking about international companies like gnc which charge 80% more money in pak, than what they charge in the u.s


I can give you only nutritional advice of an athlete. I dont know what soldiers go through or from where to buy dumbells etc in bulk


desi diet is shitty -- rarely has balanced macro nutrients
oh sorry for the confusion sir by equipment i ment NVG and thermal sights,bullet proof vest and bomb disposal robots etc
 
diet, training and equipment cost per solider to make him equivalent to tier 1 special forces like seal team six
as @Bratva was saying that you can't have a good special force without proper build and some member above him was saying that you need proper equipment. we some what lack in both departments.so i was curious how much will it cost for a nation like Pakistan to equip our best teams (not the whole ssg) to the standard of seals team six

If the PA can't afford nutritional/dietary supplements for the entire army, or even the SSG (which I believe is Division sized) --- at least it should do it for the few highly selective (and very small) "Tier 1" units within the SSG umbrella like Zarrar, Karrar, SOTF, etc. The whole point of Tier 1 is that they are so selective that the unit size is very small --- this, in theory at least, makes it possible to equip them with the very best kit, experimental gear, world-class fitness programmes, etc.
 
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More muscle mass = Add value to shock and awe. When they suddenly comes upon the guy, would opponent fear a muscular man or a skinny guy ? Look at the build, workouts and supplements of Delta and Navy Seals of Americans.
MUSCLE mass is not just for looks. it gives the endurance to the operator to swim , run walk climp for miles non-stop under adverse elemental or weather conditions. sometimes they have to carry their dead or injured comrades along with their kit as well to the extraction point and yes, in hand to hand combat after hours or days of fatigue only someone in a better / stronger physical condition will overpower his opponent.
on the same subject I had a fruitless discussion with someone in this same thread who was adamant that a muscle mass and strength are irrelevant to special forces and only stopped short of saying that special ops gadgetry is such that all can be done on a PS4. I just responded once for the benefit of other readers but stopped further because it was waste of time.
 
MUSCLE mass is not just for looks. it gives the endurance to the operator to swim , run walk climp for miles non-stop under adverse elemental or weather conditions. sometimes they have to carry their dead or injured comrades along with their kit as well to the extraction point and yes, in hand to hand combat after hours or days of fatigue only someone in a better / stronger physical condition will overpower his opponent.
on the same subject I had a fruitless discussion with someone in this same thread who was adamant that a muscle mass and strength are irrelevant to special forces and only stopped short of saying that special ops gadgetry is such that all can be done on a PS4. I just responded once for the benefit of other readers but stopped further because it was waste of time.

High muscle mass or bulk muscle is the incorrect term. I believe the term you were referring to is a lean physique or lean muscle mass. Without going into strength training vs weight training, high muscle mass is a net performance inhibitor, i.e. you can lift more but you cannot run well at all, your movement becomes sluggish and you get tired too fast due to the high energy requirements of your body, think Arnold Schwarzenegger here. This doesn't suit performance + endurance based endeavours, like being a soldier, very well. On the other hand lean muscle building enhances agility and endurance while trading lifting capacity, think Bruce Lee's physique here. This isn't optimal either. The optimal physique for a soldier is in between the two, think 100m sprinters. But there is one more question and that is of toning. Toning essentially means reducing fat while keeping high or lean muscle mass to either gain high definition and/or reduce weight. This results in the reduction of energy reserves for the body. This is good for a 100m sprinter but is not suited for a soldier. So what your really want in a soldier is a little bulked lean muscle with some fat reserves.

This is a physique built for pure strength based performance (muscle bulk + fat),

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This is one built for show (muscle bulk + low fat),

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This is another built purely for show (lean muscle + low fat),

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This is built for strength + athletic performance with low body mass (strength based bulked lean muscle + low fat),

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And this is how soldiers should be built i.e. strength + agility + energy reserves (strength based bulked lean muscle + fat),

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High muscle mass or bulk muscle is the incorrect term. I believe the term you were referring to is a lean physique or lean muscle mass. Without going into strength training vs weight training, high muscle mass is a net performance inhibitor, i.e. you can lift more but you cannot run well at all, your movement becomes sluggish and you get tired too fast due to the high energy requirements of your body, think Arnold Schwarzenegger here. This doesn't suit performance + endurance based endeavours, like being a soldier, very well. On the other hand lean muscle building enhances agility and endurance while trading lifting capacity, think Bruce Lee's physique here. This isn't optimal either. The optimal physique for a soldier is in between the two, think 100m sprinters. But there is one more question and that is of toning. Toning essentially means reducing fat while keeping high or lean muscle mass to either gain high definition and/or reduce weight. This results in the reduction of energy reserves for the body. This is good for a 100m sprinter but is not suited for a soldier. So what your really want in a soldier is a little bulked lean muscle with some fat reserves.

This is a physique built for pure strength based performance (muscle bulk + fat),

tumblr_lwi2kqN1Of1r8drovo1_500.jpg


This is one built for show (muscle bulk + low fat),

9492088ea12c5ceb0ce53c2960f4833d.jpg


This is another built purely for show (lean muscle + low fat),

matt-reynolds.png


This is built for strength + athletic performance with low body mass (strength based bulked lean muscle + low fat),

r


And this is how soldiers should be built i.e. strength + agility + energy reserves (strength based bulked lean muscle + fat),

navyseals.jpg


Captain-Abrar.jpg
lets not screw the discussion you knew what i meant and definitely not the first 2 impractical abominations.


i am against loose bellies and skinny arms,
 
lets not screw the discussion you knew what i meant and definitely not the first 2 impractical abominations.


i am against loose bellies and skinny arms,

Not screwing the discussion. All of PDF actually believes that the monstrosities they see in Hollywood movies are actually what soldiers should look like and then a well known member such as you comes in and uses the term 'muscle mass' which was not accurate at all. Deserved an explanation for all those who've been complaining since ages on the forum that our special forces are too skinny. "Shock and Awe", "the build of Navy Seals".......
 
Not screwing the discussion. All of PDF actually believes that the monstrosities they see in Hollywood movies are actually what soldiers should look like and then a well known member such as you comes in and uses the term 'muscle mass' which was not accurate at all. Deserved an explanation for all those who've been complaining since ages on the forum that our special forces are too skinny. "Shock and Awe", "the build of Navy Seals".......
the last two.. actually the last guy inshorts is just right. he has no cellolite, has good muscle tone and and show that his muscle mass (used for the lack of term) will enable him more endurance and punishment whatever the elements or hardships of the mission throw at him.. including heavy gear he might have to carry, injured or dead compare, carry, climb with or swim through in desert, marshes, rivers or hills.. forget hollywood just check out the body tone of the western soldiers.. americans get a lot of hate for their gadgets but boy they are tough.. and follow SOPs and war disciple to the book.. will pick up shovels and pick axes and will start digging trenches and filling up bags whatever the terrain.. . be it road side, mountains or deserts.. these are the comments from journalists and other soliders/ observers who have seen them.
few pictures above see that so called SSG guy with the rpg.. his tunny seems to be on the loose.. not very reassuring .
 
Not screwing the discussion. All of PDF actually believes that the monstrosities they see in Hollywood movies are actually what soldiers should look like and then a well known member such as you comes in and uses the term 'muscle mass' which was not accurate at all. Deserved an explanation for all those who've been complaining since ages on the forum that our special forces are too skinny. "Shock and Awe", "the build of Navy Seals".......

I don't think "all of PDF" thinks that. Good job painting everyone in the same brushstroke. If we're nitpicking details, then the military guys you shared do have physiques with more "muscle mass" than our typical guys --- of course, as you said, it needs to be a mix of the right body fat %, endurance, etc.

Also, there needs to be an emphasis on flexibility = "injury proofing." I remember reading about this guy in the States who trains elite NFL athletes and Tier 1 operators from Delta Force. He mentioned how the athlete needed to be in peak injury-proof form for just a few seasons, but the operator needed to maintain it for a decade or more.

Another culture somewhat missing here is that Operators in the States take a lot of advantage of the private sector --- i.e. they'll get custom knives made, enroll in some exotic workout program, learn a unique martial art, etc., when not deployed. The Unit usually hooks it up.
 

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