Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[LegitimateIdiot]

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well Hazrat @Zarvan this is it! SCAR may have be best performance but the winner is still to be announced!!!

Hazrat @Zarvan has gotten excited again for SCAR

well the arx is actually really is heavy

Maybe it's time to make our own rifle why pay billions of dollars for. A rifle or make a HK 416 or fn scar. Or m4 Chinese copy clone . We should follow China just copy everything

we are not like that

I am now more against Berreta since I have read about its weight. Berreta even without magazine is 4.5 KG that is way to heavy

cz 806 bren 2 would be a better choice right

 

[Arsalan]

I am now more against Berreta since I have read about its weight. Berreta even without magazine is 4.5 KG that is way to heavy

That is not right either. The empty weight is NOT 4.5Kg!

Hazrat that is called business! It's winners take all!! Italians doing business make sense lets see how Belgians conduct business.

That is what i have been crying about for what seems like ages now!!!
At the end of the day, it is all BUSINESS!! It always was!!
Trials have given two names with a close third one as guns we are ok with. In these selected ootiins the compitition is purely a business deal. It is quite simple if people wanted to understand this.
Thankyou for trying to explain it, AGAIN!

 

[Zarvan]

That is not right either. The empty weight is NOT 4.5Kg!

That is what i have been crying about for what seems like ages now!!!
At the end of the day, it is all BUSINESS!! It always was!!
Trials have given two names with a close third one as guns we are ok with. In these selected ootiins the compitition is purely a business deal. It is quite simple if people wanted to understand this.
Thankyou for trying to explain it, AGAIN!

Problems is Italians are not doing business they are doing exactly same thing for which Indians banned them
@Path-Finder

 

[PAR 5]

The Belgians will never agree to a full ToT. Italians will also not agree to a full ToT. As I mentioned before, Pakistan will have to buy a hefty quantity of rifles of-the shelf (maybe around 200-500k units) before any of the two above agree to perhaps a partial ToT. I do not see this procurement going anywhere in the near future also as the funding position of the Armed Forces at this stage is also bleak.

 

[Path-Finder]

The Belgians will never agree to a full ToT. Italians will also not agree to a full ToT. As I mentioned before, Pakistan will have to buy a hefty quantity of rifles of-the shelf (maybe around 200-500k units) before any of the two above agree to perhaps a partial ToT. I do not see this procurement going anywhere in the near future also as the funding position of the Armed Forces at this stage is also bleak.

Hazrat @Zarvan now what this person here has said makes sense if it doesn't then........TOT has conditions attached to it! Now these conditions are called conducting business! Giving TOT means your hard work and R&D has been given away for free. So there needs to be a purchase of their product from their original factory and then TOT comes after WITH strings attached.......

secondly you still haven't cleared as how you came up with Beretta weighing 4.5KG empty either??

 

[Zarvan]

The Belgians will never agree to a full ToT. Italians will also not agree to a full ToT. As I mentioned before, Pakistan will have to buy a hefty quantity of rifles of-the shelf (maybe around 200-500k units) before any of the two above agree to perhaps a partial ToT. I do not see this procurement going anywhere in the near future also as the funding position of the Armed Forces at this stage is also bleak.

We started testing only after we made sure we had the funds to go for it. Army leadership didn't woke up one day and decided to go for rifle trials without doing any calculation. Every was fully planned before. Only thing which is taking time is tech transfer issue and few others. If FN fully agrees than we would go for it and as far as I know FN are offering full tech and permission to export. So we can hear about the winner really soon.
@Path-Finder

 

[PAR 5]

We started testing only after we made sure we had the funds to go for it. Army leadership didn't woke up one day and decided to go for rifle trials without doing any calculation. Every was fully planned before. Only thing which is taking time is tech transfer issue and few others. If FN fully agrees than we would go for it and as far as I know FN are offering full tech and permission to export. So we can hear about the winner really soon.
@Path-Finder

We started testing because we had been 'promised' funds under SADA funding from the Government. Currently that 'promise' is not coming through with only trickle amounts being released for some other projects. I know you are partial to FN and indeed its a good weapon. But I have stated my on-ground experience in these matters and am not at all optimistic about the selection happening in the near future.

 

[Path-Finder]

We started testing only after we made sure we had the funds to go for it. Army leadership didn't woke up one day and decided to go for rifle trials without doing any calculation. Every was fully planned before. Only thing which is taking time is tech transfer issue and few others. If FN fully agrees than we would go for it and as far as I know FN are offering full tech and permission to export. So we can hear about the winner really soon.
@Path-Finder

Hazrat @Zarvan do you have sources in the finance ministry as well? I planned a journey to Scotland but there was snow and i had to stop, which is considered a hurdle. Now you are saying that rifle procurement is simply going into a shop and purchasing it like bread or other convenience, but you see we are not just buying the bread but rather importing a bread making factory!! two different things!! you make a budget for a fixed price item and purchase with the capital you have but this is purchasing the plant to make it your self which is where business needs conducting!!!

still you haven't cleared up how you came up with Beretta weighing 4.5KG empty either??

We started testing because we had been 'promised' funds under SADA funding from the Government. Currently that 'promise' is not coming through with only trickle amounts being released for some other projects. I know you are partial to FN and indeed its a good weapon. But I have stated my on-ground experience in these matters and am not at all optimistic about the selection happening in the near future.

Hazrat @Zarvan

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Did anyone look into the supposed letter-of-understanding POF signed with CZ for small-arms?

The 3rd LOU was signed between POF and M/s. CeskaZbrojovka, Czech Republic. According to LOU M/s. CeskaZbrojovka, Czech Republic and Pakistan Ordnance Factories declared that they will intensively negotiate a delivery of complete technology for the production of small arms to Pakistan Ordnance Factories, POF. Mutual interest refers to gradual launching of production in Pakistan, ranging from light assembly to maximum localization of production. Within this cooperation, transfer of technology as well as technical support including technical training of the personnel for Pakistan Ordnance Factories is expected.

http://www.radio.gov.pk/24-Nov-2016...-signed-during-ideas-2016-underway-in-karachi

 

[Thunder.Storm]

@Zarvan @Path-Finder @LegitimateIdiot @Arsalan check out the weight given by Beretta in second page...

 

[Path-Finder]

maybe you can include SCAR data as well for comparison @Thunder.Storm

 

[Thunder.Storm]

maybe you can include SCAR data as well for comparison @Thunder.Storm

here is scar weight high lightened below which is taken from offical website

@Zarvan

 

[Path-Finder]

here is scar weight high lightened below which is taken from offical website
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@Zarvan

My maths is weak so the weight difference is..........negligible? one with empty mag and one without mag!

Hazrat @Zarvan

 

[Mick]

Bribing doesn't come in business

I am sorry, but have you any evidence of what you are suggesting?
It is a really serius insinuation...

 

[Thunder.Storm]

My maths is weak so the weight difference is..........negligible? one with empty mag and one without mag!

Hazrat @Zarvan

you are right not a big difference. personally i also like the FN but the chances for arx is increasing day by day. and in my opinion arx is going to win.