Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[SSGcommandoPAK]

Scar <3

 

[Zarvan]

Scar <3

SCAR is a total beast and leading as expected but a friend told me that Pakistan may opt for only SCAR H as for SCAR L Pakistan may prefer AK-103 over that. Although I would love to see Pakistan producing all SCAR versions. @balixd

 

[alikhan03889]

very wise decision - I wont be surprised if it went back to a upgraded G3. When we went from FN to Galil/R4 5.56mm it was an interesting experience but our conditions are very different - it is closer range with bushes - 5.56mm was good but Rhodesian experience was opposite - 7.62 FN was more better suited..

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[Quwa]

The Turkish Army bought a batch of 15,000 MPT-76s for $1200 a unit. @Arsalan I'd reckon a POF build of the MPT-76 with an imported red dot sight could come in for $1500/unit.

http://www.janes.com/article/56695/turkey-orders-more-mpt-76-service-rifles

 

[RAMPAGE]

The Turkish Army bought a batch of 15,000 MPT-76s for $1200 a unit. @Arsalan I'd reckon a POF build of the MPT-76 with an imported red dot sight could come in for $1500/unit.

http://www.janes.com/article/56695/turkey-orders-more-mpt-76-service-rifles

Have you guys checked out the Maprolight MOR (sight plus IR laser) in service with IDF and Indian SFs?

Tch Aha!

@Zarvan @Arsalan

 

[Arsalan]

The Turkish Army bought a batch of 15,000 MPT-76s for $1200 a unit. @Arsalan I'd reckon a POF build of the MPT-76 with an imported red dot sight could come in for $1500/unit.

http://www.janes.com/article/56695/turkey-orders-more-mpt-76-service-rifles

Sir i think with local manufacturing we will be able to bring down th costs considerably. However those sights wont come cheap and from what i can tell we are not going to make them a standard issue in near future, meaning, we wont be procuring around 500000 of them and thus wont be getting our private sector involved. Unless that changes importing those sights in small batches numbers will be the way to go and that will be quite expensive. However please note that these additional costs are to be present no matter which gun we choose. Overall however with MPT76 i think it the figures 1200$ for the Turkish procurement are right and it is without sights then yes we may be able to bring it to 1500 $ WITH SIGHTS!!
I am not sure how good the Turkish MPT-76 actually is and also if that will be the top scorer in the after sales services and side benefits analysis. (for example, i do not see us exporting MPT-76 as Turkey will be keen to do that themselves).

From what i have come to know, the field trials will actually be covering 50% scores in determining which gun is selected. The rest of 50% are OTHER things other then performance. For me, it is an excellent and a very very sensible move indeed.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Sir i think with local manufacturing we will be able to bring down th costs considerably. However those sights wont come cheap and from what i can tell we are not going to make them a standard issue in near future, meaning, we wont be procuring around 500000 of them and thus wont be getting our private sector involved. Unless that changes importing those sights in small batches numbers will be the way to go and that will be quite expensive. However please note that these additional costs are to be present no matter which gun we choose. Overall however with MPT76 i think it the figures 1200$ for the Turkish procurement are right and it is without sights then yes we may be able to bring it to 1500 $ WITH SIGHTS!!
I am not sure how good the Turkish MPT-76 actually is and also if that will be the top scorer in the after sales services and side benefits analysis. (for example, i do not see us exporting MPT-76 as Turkey will be keen to do that themselves).

From what i have come to know, the field trials will actually be covering 50% scores in determining which gun is selected. The rest of 50% are OTHER things other then performance. For me, it is an excellent and a very very sensible move indeed.

It would be a shame if they don't standardize sights with the new rifle. Offers a very significant improvement and absolutely worth the money.

 

[Zarvan]

If they are not ready to select the best Gun because of money than they should have not started trials in first place. Instead they should have focused on G3. As for scopes I think more and more soldiers now carry scope and hope soon all law enforcement people will use scopes and all the time

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Quwa @Horus

Here's a thought, might be nothing but why don't you guys get in touch with Shibli Electronics and do an interview of sorts. Discuss future plans etcetera. The possibilities are endless for those guys. From weapon sights, NVGs, reconnaissance sights, laser designators, armoured vehicle/MBT sights, FLIRs, IRSTs, targeting pods and seekers etc.

 

[Arsalan]

It would be a shame if they don't standardize sights with the new rifle. Offers a very significant improvement and absolutely worth the money.

I agree with you on this.

If they are not ready to select the best Gun because of money than they should have not started trials in first place. Instead they should have focused on G3. As for scopes I think more and more soldiers now carry scope and hope soon all law enforcement people will use scopes and all the time

The problems with "shoulds" is, everyone seem to have a bag full of his/her own!!

 

[Amaa'n]

If our selfie commando is going to be at Ghazi base this eid - i am hopeful to get my hands on SCAR & Bren ---- I already missed an opportunity last eid ul fitr when my gang visited Cherat --- they managed to fire FN Minimi and all other weapons in the SSG arsenal ---- Trip to Ghazi base is due on Eid Ul Azha so fingers crossed ----

@Quwa @Horus

Here's a thought, might be nothing but why don't you guys get in touch with Shibli Electronics and do an interview of sorts. Discuss future plans etcetera. The possibilities are endless for those guys. From weapon sights, NVGs, reconnaissance sights, laser designators, armoured vehicle/MBT sights, FLIRs, IRSTs, targeting pods and seekers etc.

pehle bandooq tu select karlo bhai durbeen baadh mein dekhna

If they are not ready to select the best Gun because of money than they should have not started trials in first place. Instead they should have focused on G3. As for scopes I think more and more soldiers now carry scope and hope soon all law enforcement people will use scopes and all the time

PoF is already on good terms with Turkey, their weapons are in the hands of Pakistan army ---- POF is importing weapons including Shotgun & Handguns from Sarsilmaz,
We are procuring T-129 Heli from them --- the focus is to form an Islamic front ---- enlighten me what is going to stop them from going with MPT-76???? we have emphasized greatly on Defense cooperation ----
Same stands correct for CZ ---- their weapons are world class & battle proven, they will offer good on TOT & Per unit price----- why are we going to buy SCAR and not Bren???

 

[Zarvan]

If our selfie commando is going to be at Ghazi base this eid - i am hopeful to get my hands on SCAR & Bren ---- I already missed an opportunity last eid ul fitr when my gang visited Cherat --- they managed to fire FN Minimi and all other weapons in the SSG arsenal ---- Trip to Ghazi base is due on Eid Ul Azha so fingers crossed ----


pehle bandooq tu select karlo bhai durbeen baadh mein dekhna


PoF is already on good terms with Turkey, their weapons are in the hands of Pakistan army ---- POF is importing weapons including Shotgun & Handguns from Sarsilmaz,
We are procuring T-129 Heli from them --- the focus is to form an Islamic front ---- enlighten me what is going to stop them from going with MPT-76???? we have emphasized greatly on Defense cooperation ----
Same stands correct for CZ ---- their weapons are world class & battle proven, they will offer good on TOT & Per unit price----- why are we going to buy SCAR and not Bren???

I have no issue with any Gun as long as it comes 1st in field tests. What I am saying is Pakistan should have arranged the money first before starting trials and than only standard for selecting Gun be the performance in trials and different conditions. Selecting second best or third best Gun will be dishonesty towards soldiers @balixd

 

[Quwa]

If our selfie commando is going to be at Ghazi base this eid - i am hopeful to get my hands on SCAR & Bren ---- I already missed an opportunity last eid ul fitr when my gang visited Cherat --- they managed to fire FN Minimi and all other weapons in the SSG arsenal ---- Trip to Ghazi base is due on Eid Ul Azha so fingers crossed ----


pehle bandooq tu select karlo bhai durbeen baadh mein dekhna


PoF is already on good terms with Turkey, their weapons are in the hands of Pakistan army ---- POF is importing weapons including Shotgun & Handguns from Sarsilmaz,
We are procuring T-129 Heli from them --- the focus is to form an Islamic front ---- enlighten me what is going to stop them from going with MPT-76???? we have emphasized greatly on Defense cooperation ----
Same stands correct for CZ ---- their weapons are world class & battle proven, they will offer good on TOT & Per unit price----- why are we going to buy SCAR and not Bren???

Out of curiosity, how is CZ doing in the trials?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Have you guys checked out the Maprolight MOR (sight plus IR laser) in service with IDF and Indian SFs?

Tch Aha!

@Zarvan @Arsalan

hm..well that certainly lethal

 

[Amaa'n]

Out of curiosity, how is CZ doing in the trials?

since i am not in direct contact with person involved in Trails anymore so cannot say for sure, because i myself don't trust the words i hear in Army whatsapp groups ----- last i heard it was said it is performing good but nothing as compared to ARX & SCAR